Homosexuality and Race

[Bobby Sands]

also,i don't believe a heterosexual man will rape a gay man... just to show the comparison, no matter how stupid that sounds

Well it heterosexual men are known to rape other men in jail.Its like they become bisexual when there is no women around.

I think sexuality is more fluid than people think.I agree with the following.I think its called the Kinsey scale:


6-Comletely Heterosexual
5-Heterosexual.Occasionally Homosexual
4-Heterosexual-more than occassionally homosexual
3-Bisexual
2-Homosexual.more than occassionally heterosexual
1-Homosexual-Occasionally Heterosexual
0-Completely Homosexual.

 

[Kareem]

It's not the same for the simple matter that race is not a choice. Homosexuality is, period!

:thumb: finally someone hit it on the head, why every few weeks or months is this tired subject brought up? Good god get over it already, race is somthing you are born with, homosexuality is not its a choice an dont post any fuckn propaganda from pro gay websites claiming theres a "gay gene" thats ridiculous an false. I certainly do not advocate the harm or murrder of homosexuals, what you do in your own house is your buisness but dont force it on me or the rest of us an dont force it as "natural" cause its not, do what ya do, shut the fuck up an live life.

 

[Duke]

But, who is to say what is natural and what is not? Which natural guidelines are you speaking about? Do you mean to say that homosexuality is "unnatural" because, for example, male cats don't fornicate with female cats?

I'd say the definition of unnatural in this case would touch upon the continuation of the species. I mean, male + male don't produce kiddies. Now there are reports of homosexual behaviour by dolphins for example, but those animals aren't 100% gay. More like bisexual. And i think that that's where most of the objections ("its wrong", "unnatural") come from. Liking only the same sex isn't productive and hence "unnatural".

It's a shaky definition, i realize, and you can slap any anti-gay person right in the face with it, because in today's society things aren't aimed towards continuation (plenty of straight couples that don't want children) so the "its unnatural" argument holds little, if any, value. It is however what most people would use when you ask them to explain their anti-gay stance.

 

[S O F I]

:thumb: finally someone hit it on the head, why every few weeks or months is this tired subject brought up? Good god get over it already, race is somthing you are born with, homosexuality is not its a choice an dont post any fuckn propaganda from pro gay websites claiming theres a "gay gene" thats ridiculous an false. I certainly do not advocate the harm or murrder of homosexuals, what you do in your own house is your buisness but dont force it on me or the rest of us an dont force it as "natural" cause its not, do what ya do, shut the fuck up an live life.

I assume you have scientific proof for this, yes?

 

[Khaled]

Marriage

In the sense that pedophilia is a sexual attraction to young children, then it's similar to hetero- or homosexuality. It's an attraction, a lust, and it probably can't be cured. The fact that you cannot legally or morally act upon that lust is what separates it from hetero- and homosexuality.

notice that you used the word cured, which insicates to some extent that it's a problem. i don't believe that sexual attraction to children can possibly be a sane emotion. I find it hard to believe that you think that a pedophile is as sexually and psycologically healthy as a heterosexual.
You're saying it's just the same. As far as what is legal or not, that changed in the past and might change in the future. Whether or not it's legal has nothing to do with the fact that people are persecuted or looked down upon or dispised.

Well it heterosexual men are known to rape other men in jail.Its like they become bisexual when there is no women around.

that's completely different, and you put it pretty well that they become bisexual because of the lack of women.

 

[Mr.Deuce]

being prejudiced against gays is the same thing as being prejudice against someone because of his or her race.
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T

 

[Illuminattile]

Marriage

notice that you used the word cured, which insicates to some extent that it's a problem. i don't believe that sexual attraction to children can possibly be a sane emotion. I find it hard to believe that you think that a pedophile is as sexually and psycologically healthy as a heterosexual.

I don't really know what I was trying to say when I wrote that. I disagree with what I wrote. It's not the same as heterosexuality or homosexuality (or bisexuality), it's a completely separate psychological problem.

You're saying it's just the same. As far as what is legal or not, that changed in the past and might change in the future. Whether or not it's legal has nothing to do with the fact that people are persecuted or looked down upon or dispised.

It doesn't matter whether or not it's legal, it's still morally reprehensible. It's abuse.

I'd say the definition of unnatural in this case would touch upon the continuation of the species. I mean, male + male don't produce kiddies. Now there are reports of homosexual behaviour by dolphins for example, but those animals aren't 100% gay. More like bisexual. And i think that that's where most of the objections ("its wrong", "unnatural") come from. Liking only the same sex isn't productive and hence "unnatural".

There are male penguins who partner with other male penguins. They'll impregnate a female penguin, then take the eggs and raise the children themselves.

 

[absolut_dreII]

I don't think that's true. With race, it is easy to realize and acknowledge that it is not a choice, because it is tangible, and easily visible. But, simply because homosexuality is psychological, and therefore not something we can see or touch, does not mean that it isn't inherent.

Also, look at it another way. (I am assuming you are a heterosexual). Are you attracted to both men and women, but choose to have sexual realtions with only women? No, because you choose women because you are attracted to them. you don't choose men because you aren't attracted to men. It is not a choice, your sexual orientation is innate.

If the majority of the people in this world were homosexuals, and said your heterosexuality was a choice, would you agree with them. I think its safe to say that you wouldn't. Simply because you are not attracted to members of the same sex. Just as homosexuals are not attracted to members of the opposite sex.

You say that sexual attraction is inate but then you use the word choose...

Lets look at this from a biology point of view. All we have now is a bunch of speculation and unproven hypothesis about homosexuality and heterosexuality being genetically involved. As of today, we have no biological proof that homosexuality is inherited, and in my opinion we will never find any. The fact of the matter is that there is no evolutionary advantage for homosexuality to exist, which is why it is only seen in humans.

Lets say there is a gene for homosexuality. What does this really prove, that homosexuality is normal? That we should accept this newly found homosexuality gene and all the people who "suffer" from it? Then if that is the case, lets accept cystic fibrosis, Duchenne muscular dystrophy, thalassemia (conditions inherited via a specific gene) or any other inherited disease because there is a gene for them as well.

 

[H.B.]

You say that sexual attraction is inate but then you use the word choose...

I admit, rather than the word "choose" "have sex" is what i really was getting at.

Lets look at this from a biology point of view. All we have now is a bunch of speculation and unproven hypothesis about homosexuality and heterosexuality being genetically involved. As of today, we have no biological proof that homosexuality is inherited, and in my opinion we will never find any. The fact of the matter is that there is no evolutionary advantage for homosexuality to exist, which is why it is only seen in humans.

This is not true, homosexual activity has been seen on other specicies besides humans, in dogs for example. Also, just because there is no evolutionary advantage to being a homosexual does not mean that it doesn't exist. For example, is there really a evolutionary advantage for a woman to have an sexual orgasm? Women do not need orgasm to become pregnant, yet women do in fact have sexual orgasms.

Lets say there is a gene for homosexuality. What does this really prove, that homosexuality is normal? That we should accept this newly found homosexuality gene and all the people who "suffer" from it? Then if that is the case, lets accept cystic fibrosis, Duchenne muscular dystrophy, thalassemia (conditions inherited via a specific gene) or any other inherited disease because there is a gene for them as well.

Does homosexuality have any affect on any organs of the body? Do homosexuals have to take medication when they become aroused by a member of the opposite sex? The answer to both of these is no. There is a difference between homosexuality and an actual disease. you cannot liken somebody's sexual orientation to something that debilitates and cripples somebody.

Based on what you said, we could use the same reasoning to say that someone with green eyes "suffers," after all it is genetic.

 

[Jokerman]

Marriage

There are male penguins who partner with other male penguins. They'll impregnate a female penguin, then take the eggs and raise the children themselves.

These male penguins will also try to impregnate each other and then try to incubate rocks, confusing them for eggs. Does that mean they assume they're with a female and are confused?

Sexual preference is biologically determined. However, it's not absolute. It just means one is biologically predisposed to it. But if there's a scarcity of males or females, animals will form bonds with the same sex. In some situations, it may confer social and survival benefits. Everything we know about the genetic history of mammals argues for a more liberal sexual morality, in which sexual practices should regarded first as bonding devices and only second as means for reproduction.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Sexual preference is biologically determined.

You mean sexual orientation is biologically right?A person's sexual orientation could be bisexual but they might still have a preference for one sex over the other.

 

[Jokerman]

You mean sexual orientation is biologically right?

Only on the level of the individual's biology.

 

[Duke]

Marriage

These male penguins will also try to impregnate each other and then try to incubate rocks, confusing them for eggs. Does that mean they assume they're with a female and are confused?

Sexual preference is biologically determined. However, it's not absolute. It just means one is biologically predisposed to it. But if there's a scarcity of males or females, animals will form bonds with the same sex. In some situations, it may confer social and survival benefits. Everything we know about the genetic history of mammals argues for a more liberal sexual morality, in which sexual practices should regarded first as bonding devices and only second as means for reproduction.

Truth. Sexuality in nature is very broad and complicated. Some dogs try to hump everything they come across. Bonobos use sex as a variety of means. Most birds are monogamous, lion males have whole harems while tigers are solitary.

There is no fixed rule for sexuality in nature.

 

[Kareem]

I assume you have scientific proof for this, yes?

yes i do here ya go


http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

this site is neither pro gay or anti gay but what it does show you is how the public has been mislead by the media an gay rights groups to believe that there is some "gene" that makes someone gay, there has never been any scientific proof that there is a gay gene, i may not be the smartest person in the world but i said this for years.

 

[Devious]

yes i do here ya go


http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

this site is neither pro gay or anti gay but what it does show you is how the public has been mislead by the media an gay rights groups to believe that there is some "gene" that makes someone gay, there has never been any scientific proof that there is a gay gene, i may not be the smartest person in the world but i said this for years.

While I don't really agree with the whole "gay gene" theory, I also don't really believe its a choice you consciously make. I mean, did you decide one day that you liked girls? Or did you always just know that they were what you were attracted to? I mean did you actually choose? I never decided that I wanted to be heterosexual, I just knew I was attracted to girls and not guys. So why is it so hard to believe that gay people are instinctively attracted to their own sex? I mean considering the amount of hatred there has been in the past (and still is in the present) towards homosexuals, why would someone CHOOSE to be put throught that? Think about it.

 

[Clever]

Sexuality is NOT a choice. It is not something you can just turn on or off. Discrimination based on sexuality is just as ridiculous and wrong as discrimnation based on race. Here's a quick quiz that might help you understand how stupid it is to question someone's homosexuality and call it "unnatural" or "not right".

Heterosexuality Quiz by Julie D. Moncada

1. What do you think caused your heterosexuality?
2. When and how did you first decide you were a heterosexual?
3. Is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may grow out of?
4. Is it possible your heterosexuality stems from a neurotic fear of others of the same sex?
5. Isn’t it possible that all you need is a good Gay lover?
6. Heterosexuals have histories of failures in Gay relationships. Do you think you may have turned to heterosexuality out of fear of rejection?
7. If you’ve never slept with a person of the same sex, how do you know you wouldn’t prefer that?
8. If heterosexuality is normal, why are a disproportionate number of mental patients heterosexual?
9. To whom have you disclosed your heterosexual tendencies? How did they react?
10. Your heterosexuality doesn’t offend me as long as you don’t try to force it on me. Why do you people feel compelled to seduce others into your sexual orientation?
11. If you choose to nurture children, would you want them to be heterosexual knowing the problems they would face?
12. The great majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really consider it safe to expose your children to heterosexual teachers?
13. Why do you insist on being so obvious and making a public spectacle of your heterosexuality? Can’t you just be what you are and keep it quiet?
14. How can you ever hope to become a whole person if you limit yourself to a compulsive, exclusive heterosexual object choice and remain unwilling to explore and develop your normal, natural, healthy, God-given homosexual potential?
15. Heterosexuals are noted for assigning themselves and each other to narrowly restricted, stereotyped sex roles. Why do you cling to such unhealthy role playing?
16. How can you enjoy a fully satisfying sexual experience or deep emotional rapport with a person of the opposite sex when the obvious physical, biological, and temperamental differences between you are so vast? How can a man understand what pleases a woman sexually or vice-versa?
17. Why do heterosexuals place so much emphasis on sex?
18. With all the societal support marriage receives, the divorce rate is spiraling. Why are there so few stable relationships among heterosexuals?
19. Considering the menace of overpopulation, how could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual like you?
20. There seem to be very few happy heterosexuals. Techniques have been developed with which you might be able to change if you really want to change. Have you considered trying aversion therapy?
21. A disproportionate number of criminals, welfare recipients, and other irresponsible or antisocial types of heterosexual. Why would anyone want to hire a heterosexual for a responsible position?
22. Do heterosexuals hate and/or distrust others of their own sex? Is that what makes them heterosexual?
23. Why are heterosexuals so promiscuous?
24. Why do you make a point of attributing heterosexuality to famous people? Is it to justify your own heterosexuality?
25. Could you really trust a heterosexual therapist/counselor to be objective and unbiased? Don’t you fear s/he might be inclined to influence you in the direction of his/her own leaning?

 

[Valeoz]

Discrimination based on sexuality is just as ridiculous and wrong as discrimnation based on race.

No, its not. Compare Compare Compare.

12. The great majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really consider it safe to expose your children to heterosexual teachers?

Logical fallacies all up in that quiz. The quiz seems to try and be dialectic but to me its subliminal rherotic. I'm not anti-gay nor pro-gay, but that quiz seems to try and make you pro-gay.

 

[Illuminattile]

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html

this site is neither pro gay or anti gay...

You HAVE to be fucking kidding me. NARTH's aim is to "cure" homosexuality. If that's not anti-gay, then what is?

but what it does show you is how the public has been mislead by the media an gay rights groups to believe that there is some "gene" that makes someone gay, there has never been any scientific proof that there is a gay gene, i may not be the smartest person in the world but i said this for years.

No, they haven't. Obviously you've been mislead to believe that because a gene hasn't been identified that homosexuality must be a choice.

 

[Khaled]

1. What do you think caused your heterosexuality?

i think i was born this way

2. When and how did you first decide you were a heterosexual?

i didn't decide

3. Is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may grow out of?

it's possible, but i have no reason to believe it

4. Is it possible your heterosexuality stems from a neurotic fear of others of the same sex?

no. most children at a young age are a lot more intimated by eople of opposite sex

5. Isn’t it possible that all you need is a good Gay lover?

only to decorate my house

6. Heterosexuals have histories of failures in Gay relationships. Do you think you may have turned to heterosexuality out of fear of rejection?

no

7. If you’ve never slept with a person of the same sex, how do you know you wouldn’t prefer that?

there are so many arguments to that i don't know where to start.

8. If heterosexuality is normal, why are a disproportionate number of mental patients heterosexual?

Simple matemathics. since there are more heterosexuals than gays.

9. To whom have you disclosed your heterosexual tendencies? How did they react?

no need, cuz its normal

10. Your heterosexuality doesn’t offend me as long as you don’t try to force it on me. Why do you people feel compelled to seduce others into your sexual orientation?

because homosexuality offends me. If you see people doing something wrong, it's perfectly normal to try to rectify it.

11. If you choose to nurture children, would you want them to be heterosexual knowing the problems they would face?

what problems?

12. The great majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really consider it safe to expose your children to heterosexual teachers?

again simple matemathics.
also, this point was brought up before

13. Why do you insist on being so obvious and making a public spectacle of your heterosexuality? Can’t you just be what you are and keep it quiet?

yes i can.

14. How can you ever hope to become a whole person if you limit yourself to a compulsive, exclusive heterosexual object choice and remain unwilling to explore and develop your normal, natural, healthy, God-given homosexual potential?

men also have the potention to kill other humans, should they have to develop and nurture their god given killing potential??

15. Heterosexuals are noted for assigning themselves and each other to narrowly restricted, stereotyped sex roles. Why do you cling to such unhealthy role playing?

i don't know anything more stereotypical than this question...

16. How can you enjoy a fully satisfying sexual experience or deep emotional rapport with a person of the opposite sex when the obvious physical, biological, and temperamental differences between you are so vast? How can a man understand what pleases a woman sexually or vice-versa?

it's scientific, opposites are attracted to eachothers.

17. Why do heterosexuals place so much emphasis on sex?

ask Freud

18. With all the societal support marriage receives, the divorce rate is spiraling. Why are there so few stable relationships among heterosexuals?

How come heterosexual marriages last longer in countries where homosexuality is forbiden???

19. Considering the menace of overpopulation, how could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual like you?

use protection.

20. There seem to be very few happy heterosexuals. Techniques have been developed with which you might be able to change if you really want to change. Have you considered trying aversion therapy?

i think there aer more happy heterosexuals in the world than there are gay people.

21. A disproportionate number of criminals, welfare recipients, and other irresponsible or antisocial types of heterosexual. Why would anyone want to hire a heterosexual for a responsible position?

agains imple matemathics.

22. Do heterosexuals hate and/or distrust others of their own sex? Is that what makes them heterosexual?

no

23. Why are heterosexuals so promiscuous?



24. Why do you make a point of attributing heterosexuality to famous people? Is it to justify your own heterosexuality?

Alexander the great was gay, so was Maichael Jackson. is this what you want to hear

25. Could you really trust a heterosexual therapist/counselor to be objective and unbiased? Don’t you fear s/he might be inclined to influence you in the direction of his/her own leaning?

i only trust his diplomas

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how did i do on the quizz???????????

note: some answers don't express my opinions, but attempt to show how ridiculous the questions are.

 

[Kareem]

You HAVE to be fucking kidding me. NARTH's aim is to "cure" homosexuality. If that's not anti-gay, then what is?


No, they haven't. Obviously you've been mislead to believe that because a gene hasn't been identified that homosexuality must be a choice.

it wouldnt matter if it came from gays for a better life.com some of ya'll have your mind made up an cant stand that your wrong, narth isnt the only site that made the same report every site i researched all said there is no scientific proof of a "gay" gene which is what was asked of me, if i had proof. Now if homosexuality is so "normal" then why do they continue to be the highest contractors of hiv?, www.cdc.gov the numbers on there are alarming, an yes i know hiv strikes hertosexuals too, i didnt say it didnt BUT every year the cdc releases its report homosexuals are always the highest carriers of hiv an im not talking about just a few thousand in 2004 there were over 400,000 new hiv infections in the homosexual community, while 17,000 were in the hetrosexual bracket. Now why is that? let me guess its a cover up, please its my belief that homosexuality is a sickness, somthing isnt clicking right an maybe they truly cant help it BUT the notion that your "born that way" is bullshit, i dont see how a "gene" could be passed when genetics is passed through reproduction, which last time i checked a man couldnt impregnate a man an vice versa. Anyway this is a tired ass subject that really makes me question what some of ya'll intent is, obviously to spread the gay agenda around, like i said what you do in your home is your buisness but dont force it on me or my children, keep it to your self an live your life.