Help Me With The Tookie Case...

[PuffnScruff]

Im sorry but this post just goes to show you know nothing about what Tookie has done, from writing books to helping bring peace between gangs, and you know nothing about the Nobel Peace Prize.

It's a little bit more complicated, you actually have to do something that people thing deserves the prize, Tookie has done this several times with his actions. I know he is rehabilitated not but what he has said, but by what he has done.

Do you honestly think he's not rehabilitated? Do you honestly think he hasnt done good with his time locked up? What do you base these thoughts on if so? Because I base my thoughts on his recent actions, you seem to be basing yours on his past crimes.

i know plenty about the case and have for years , long before it became popular to jump on the bandwagon.

i never said it was easy to win the prize. i said it was easy to be nominated.

there is no proof that tookies books have done any good. there have been key gang leaders of the crips who have been quoted saying they dont even know who tookie is.

there is no proof he is rehabilitated. for all you know he is playing a game by writing these books so he can stay alive because he knows his time is running short and has known this for years.

show me proof that he is rehabilitated. show me proof that his books have done good. good luck finding any.

there is more evidence to support the claim that he is still involved with the crips than there is that he has helped anyone.

lets say he has strayed kids from joining gangs. why couldnt he do that for his own children? he can stop other kids from going down the road he did but cant stop his own kids from becoming murders and animals that hold a gun to a 13 year olds head while forcing her to give him oral sex? i dont buy it.

 

[Glockmatic]

Arnold refused clemency just now

 

[Outla Spirit]

so Tookie is scheduled for death tommorow?

crazy shit

 

[Jokerman]

There's no proof he wrote those books, any one see him write them?

 

[PuffnScruff]

There's no proof he wrote those books, any one see him write them?

suposedly his girlfriend wrote a few of the first ones. out of all nine the highest selling book pushed 300 copies. i doubt there is a single person on this board who has read one of them.

 

[The.Menace]

there is no smoking gun i guess you could say. but the defense couldnt and has never been able to prove that he is not the shooter too.

lol so we are at a point where you're guilty from the start until it's proven that you're innocent?

 

[Jokerman]

He's guilty of founding the Crips. Execute him 100 times for that alone.

 

[PuffnScruff]

lol so we are at a point where you're guilty from the start until it's proven that you're innocent?

That's not what I'm saying. I'm just pointing out that the defense had the weak case.

 

[kman_69]

even if he is guilty...the death penalty is fucking rediculous...the fact is that having Tookie alive (in or out of prison) is better for society than having him dead is.

 

[The.Menace]

That's not what I'm saying. I'm just pointing out that the defense had the weak case.

actually it was what you said, but I'm happy if you don't believe it.

 

[ARon]

He's guilty of founding the Crips. Execute him 100 times for that alone.

Are you serious.

 

[PuffnScruff]

actually it was what you said, but I'm happy if you don't believe it.

no it really isnt. your basically putting words in my mouth. all i said was, that the defense could not prove beyond a resonable doubt that he was not the killer.

 

[ARon]

The prosecution couldn't really do it either. Truthfully, today with the same exact evidence and the technology we have now they would see that this is weak, and I dont think he would of been found guilty, and if he was he defnitely wouldn't of gotten the Death Penalty.

 

[RFTP]

I believe some of you are hypocrits and some of you are defending him cause he founded the Crips etc. Imo, what Tookie did was the opposite of Schindler (ever seen schindlers list? do that). Schindler saved about 800 jews just in WW2, but from these 800, 6 000 are alive which means that he saved them and their future kids and stuff. What tookie did was a creation that probably costed more then that. Do you REALLY believe that he didn't kill in the store? It's pretty naive to believe so and God knows how many other people he has killed that's not even on the sheet. But just for creating crips he has killed probably over 1000 people.

And they got the nerve to give him a noble prize for writing books? Please what a joke.

Now obviously I don't want him dead, but arguing here as if they were killing an innocent man is way off and naive!

 

[Glockmatic]

he never recieved a nobel prize, he was only nominated

 

[Jokerman]

Free Saddam, there's no proof. Nobel prize candidate.

 

[Jacob]

As a crip co-founder, Tookie is, to some degree, responsible for the deaths of several thousand Crips throughout LA, the rival gang members that have been killed by the Crips, any civilians who've been murdered by the Crips in gang activity (including Tupac), and the distribution of crack throughout LA (Chico Brown, a former Crip, recently asserted that "there is an entire generation of people that don't own houses because they were on crack, or in prison."). Tookie has contributed to the mass-squandering of human potential, and to the continued oppression of inner-city youth. Then he writes a few books and you guys want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize. I've met Nobel Peace Laureates and I'm familiar with their body of work, and this is an insult to their accomplishments.

Go pick up a book by Desmond Tutu...

 

[RFTP]

As a crip co-founder, Tookie is, to some degree, responsible for the deaths of several thousand Crips throughout LA, the rival gang members that have been killed by the Crips, any civilians who've been murdered by the Crips in gang activity (including Tupac), and the distribution of crack throughout LA (Chico Brown, a former Crip, recently asserted that "there is an entire generation of people that don't own houses because they were on crack, or in prison."). Tookie has contributed to the mass-squandering of human potential, and to the continued oppression of inner-city youth. Then he writes a few books and you guys want to give him the Nobel Peace Prize. I've met Nobel Peace Laureates and I'm familiar with their body of work, and this is an insult to their accomplishments.

Go pick up a book by Desmond Tutu...

:thumb: :thumb:

 

[DrugBa11ad]

rival gang members that have been killed by the Crips, any civilians who've been murdered by the Crips in gang activity (including Tupac),

Except Pac was killed by the government.

 

[Mase]

As a crip co-founder, Tookie is, to some degree, responsible for the deaths of several thousand Crips throughout LA, the rival gang members that have been killed by the Crips, any civilians who've been murdered by the Crips in gang activity (including Tupac), and the distribution of crack throughout LA (Chico Brown, a former Crip, recently asserted that "there is an entire generation of people that don't own houses because they were on crack, or in prison.").

There is no way that Tookie planned crips to be what they are today. He is to an extremely, EXTREMELY small degree responsible, there is no way he had in mind that crips would cause what they have caused today. It was "accidental".