Has This Forum Changed Your Opinions?

[The.Menace]

Ok, maybe we should start a new Israel thead cause I got a question

Both Israel and Palestine has a right to exist

Why do they? What is it that a state has a right 2 exist? Who decides that this state got the right 2 exists and the other doesn't? Maybe we should start a thread about that, what do u think?

 

[not really ken]

Killing Israelis? Look it straight forward equation, stop illegally occupying land and illegally setting up settlements and you may have peace in the region.
And to blame the Palestinians for Israels retalliation is deceptive. How about blaming Israelis soldiers killing children for Palestinian retalliation. ANd does one become the terrorist and the other is 'looking for peace'. The Palestinians had alot of peace before Israeli occupation of land. If the Palestinians can be labelled terrorists then by the same logic so are the Israelis. Just because you push buttons to kill people doesn't wash the blood from your hands. State sponsered terrorism!!

 

[haunted]

No.

 

[Zero Cool]

Killing Israelis? Look it straight forward equation, stop illegally occupying land and illegally setting up settlements and you may have peace in the region.
And to blame the Palestinians for Israels retalliation is deceptive. How about blaming Israelis soldiers killing children for Palestinian retalliation. ANd does one become the terrorist and the other is 'looking for peace'. The Palestinians had alot of peace before Israeli occupation of land. If the Palestinians can be labelled terrorists then by the same logic so are the Israelis. Just because you push buttons to kill people doesn't wash the blood from your hands. State sponsered terrorism!!

As I've said both your and my opinion on this is very clear so argument is futile. Anyway I'm off to the cinema now, later

 

[not really ken]

Ok, maybe we should start a new Israel thead cause I got a question


Why do they? What is it that a state has a right 2 exist? Who decides that this state got the right 2 exists and the other doesn't? Maybe we should start a thread about that, what do u think?

Why dont you mke one my Austrian friend

 

[Morris]

Killing Israelis? Look it straight forward equation, stop illegally occupying land and illegally setting up settlements and you may have peace in the region.

The Palestinians were killing Jews 20 years before the creation of any settlements. The Palestinians were killing Jews 40 years before the start of any occupation.

Occupation is not the cause of the conflict. Israel's existence is the cause of the conflict.

Just because you push buttons to kill people doesn't wash the blood from your hands. State sponsered terrorism!!

The Palestinians have embraced a systematic campaign of terrorism, directed at unarmed combatants, for 40 years. They are unabashed about it because they believe terrorism is the best way to reach their goals.

The IDF does not have a policy of terrorism. The IDF targets militants and combatants, and in densely populated urban warzones, accidental civilian deaths occur.

Nobody's going to deny that there have been isolated war crimes by individual Israeli soldiers. But that's not state-sponsored terrorism.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

Who is it that's got in their sig., an Israeli leader saying that if he were a Palestinian he'd be pissed at Israel & it's inhabitants too?

Well, that shit basically sums up my belief - you can't just create the the state of Israel because you believe it's yours - by God's hand or not.

I mean, the British monarchy, in the past if not now, had believed that Britain was theirs because it was their 'divine right'. In fact, it is not, God didn't give nobody land. British monarchy gained land legally through murder, but that was the way it was back then.

In this day, you need real proof to justify why land is yours - scientific proof & reasons that is.

 

[The.Menace]

Nobody's going to deny that there have been isolated war crimes by individual Israeli soldiers. But that's not state-sponsored terrorism.

I don't agree. The killing of leaders is close to terrorism to be, at least I think it's wrong. Why? ...let me explain..... if there is no court, it's wrong. that easy. are those guys dangerous. Yeah maybe. Might Israel be safer without them? Yeah mabye. Are the bad human beeings? Yeah maybe...... but still. where there is no court and no sentence it's wrong. I know it ain't terrorism by the definition of it, but still for me it kinda is....and it is organized by the state.

 

[tupacmansion]

if the Palestinian terrorists stopped killing Israeli's then there would be no need for Israeli retaliation.

What makes u think that Israel is retaliating. It is the Palestinians who are retaliating to their injustices. Israel is the cause of the problem not the palestinians.

 

[devils_advok8]

this forum?not really, but people from this forum have changed my opinion on certain things.

 

[ThaHeartless]

perhaps to be a little more tolerant. Also taught me abit of general knowledge and insight to how other think.

by the way what ever hapenned to my good friend kadafi_spirit?

 

[not really ken]

i think he posts as yahya now, but im not sure on that one

 

[Illuminattile]

this forum?not really, but people from this forum have changed my opinion on certain things.

Such as?

 

[Sebastian]

i think he posts as yahya now, but im not sure on that one

yes he does.

 

[Zero Cool]

I mean, the British monarchy, in the past if not now, had believed that Britain was theirs because it was their 'divine right'. In fact, it is not, God didn't give nobody land. British monarchy gained land legally through murder, but that was the way it was back then.

What innane rubbish. How exactly did the British monarchy gain land through murder. Through war? If that's the case then is every country who has ever gained land through war murderers?

 

[not really ken]

^^ Hmm, im split. If the monarchy gained land through murder then I think Calcuo is getting more at opression and a kind of mini 'genocide' rather than war between two parties. You know, assasinating any have a go heroes, or people who plotted against them. JUst basically ruled with an iron fist

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

What innane rubbish. How exactly did the British monarchy gain land through murder. Through war? If that's the case then is every country who has ever gained land through war murderers?

There were actually civil wars when there was dispute as to who had the right to the throne.

And I wasn't talking about countries, I was talking about the monarchy ie. the Windsor family

You know, assasinating any have a go heroes, or people who plotted against them. JUst basically ruled with an iron fist

This point is also true.

 

[not really ken]

There were actually civil wars when there was dispute as to who had the right to the throne.

And I wasn't talking about countries, I was talking about the monarchy ie. the Windsor family

Cavaliers and roundheads! this is true, the monarchy would declare war on parliament when threatened with anykind of power shift away from them. Eventually one of the kings was (I think James) was cornered and the magna carta was born. WHich was a big powershift away from the monarchy and into the hands pof parliament

 

[Zero Cool]

There were actually civil wars when there was dispute as to who had the right to the throne.

And I wasn't talking about countries, I was talking about the monarchy ie. the Windsor family

Now it's getting even more ludicrous. Yes there were a number of Civil Wars, beginning with a dispute between the descendents of Edward III and ending with William of Orange what's your point? That the monarchy is founded on murder? What a laughable assertion. How exactly has the Windsor family itself ever gained land through murder? Your intense disliking of the monarchy is leading you to espose fallacies.

 

[Zero Cool]

Cavaliers and roundheads! this is true, the monarchy would declare war on parliament when threatened with anykind of power shift away from them. Eventually one of the kings was (I think James) was cornered and the magna carta was born. WHich was a big powershift away from the monarchy and into the hands pof parliament

The Magna Carta was proclaimed by King John in 1215 after a rebellion by his barons, nothing whatsoever to do with the Cromwellian revolution. If you understood the history behind the Long Parliament and Cromwell's subsequent reign you would realise to make an assumption like "the monarchy would declare war on parliament when threatened with anykind of power shift away from them" is plainley false.