God

[Bender]

All we have is ideas and concepts on how we came to be an existence, these being created to our own conscience, not by the the uncaused cause that supposedly brought us to be.

Since we don't have a direct link to our source, we can't, so to speak, go up and ask it a question. What if it speaks an entirely different language? This is how I view the concept of creation. Maybe our intellectual powers aren't advanced enough to comprehend something so Vast.

 

[Illuminattile]

Offical God F.A.Q.

 

[Diaz]

^LMAO :laugh:

 

[_carmi]

Offical God F.A.Q.

:laugh:

 

[Rukas]

Just thought Id go on a slight random rant about some new things I learnt today that sort of fit into this thread.

The universe was created from the big bang, not just planet earth, it started with a single atom and began to spread and continues to spread and get larger. This poses the question of course, where did that one atom come from?

Anyway to continue, not only does the universe spread, it is actually flat, not round. There is not enough mass in the universe to cause enough gravity to make space and time fold in on each other, and while this does happen on a small scale, it only causes ripples in an otherwise flat universe.

Furthermore, theres actually only one third the matter it would take to have a flat universe, the rest is anti energy. Once again, the question has to be asked, what is anti energy? Scientists believe it exists, yet no one can see it or really prove it. Kind of like a God no? This anti energy probably causes the big bang and keeps the universe "alive."

Also, the old theory that the universe will one day reach a point and snap back is wrong, there is not enough mass to cause the universe to slow down, it will expand forever.

It is also probable that there are a number of universes like ours, all spreading, the multiverse is mathematically more probable than a single verse.

Kind of fucks with my head to consider where they are spreading. I mean, it has to be in something right?

 

[Rukas]

Oh and on a totally different tangent -- seeing as there is no thread for this and it demonstrates what I said about realizing there is no spoon and thinking outside the square -- the future effects the present as much as the past does, not just vice versa. At least, thats what one really interesting theory says.

 

[Preach]

wtf

I kind of agree and disagree at the same time.

I agree that scope has a lot to do with it, Ill use mathematics as an example because its simple and applies to everything including cause and effect.

If you were to teach someone only ten numbers, 0 thru to 9, they would have no way to comprehend anything outside of those boundaries to begin with. How do you comprehend negative numbers, or 100, if all you know is 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9?

However, eventually you use what you have to understand and work out the rest. The number 100 can be explained as 4 lots of 5 lots of 5, which fits into the narrow scope.

I think in the same way we are, or will be, capable of understanding things like this in the future because we understand universal constants, we understand mathematics, which is the universal language, and everything relates to mathematics. Even God has to conform to mathematics, and anything that came before God has to as well.

So we have the tools, we have part of the puzzle, we just dont have the whole scope. But we can use our current scope to understand the greater scope.


Anyway, this is a rant now, so Ill stop it for now

i never thought of things like this but that's a rather interesting way to look at it. props.

i don't believe in god because it doesn't seem possible to me. it makes no sense why a being would create a planet of life and leave it unattained. if i believe in god i'd have to believe in destiny and i don't.

and no, i don't believe in ghosts. i do think aliens are a possibility though. if microscopical lifeforms could evolve into humans on earth, they very well could on a similar planet elsewhere in the universe.

and dante, i took two years of chemistry, two years of biology, two years of physics and one year of general science and i never learnt anything that might explain how raw matter was created. do you know of a website where i could read up on the beginning of everything? i don't feel like spending years on a university study just to get a few simple questions answered lol.

 

[Valeoz]

Everything that which Rukas is talking about is Quantum mechanics, especially in that quote of Rizzle's post. Which is really interesting and should be discussed alot more. I would but I'm too lazy.

 

[kman_69]

you can never know the answer, because you can't even understand the question...no human being can.

mathematically speaking there are 11 dimensions in our universe, of which we can only SEE 3, and of which we can only UNDERSTAND 4 (space/time)....and most people can't even grasp the concept of space/time.

 

[Illuminattile]

mathematically speaking there are 11 dimensions in our universe, of which we can only SEE 3, and of which we can only UNDERSTAND 4 (space/time)....and most people can't even grasp the concept of space/time.

There might be 11 dimensions. There might be 10, there might be 26.

 

[kman_69]

Just thought Id go on a slight random rant about some new things I learnt today that sort of fit into this thread.

The universe was created from the big bang, not just planet earth, it started with a single atom and began to spread and continues to spread and get larger. This poses the question of course, where did that one atom come from?

Anyway to continue, not only does the universe spread, it is actually flat, not round. There is not enough mass in the universe to cause enough gravity to make space and time fold in on each other, and while this does happen on a small scale, it only causes ripples in an otherwise flat universe.

Furthermore, theres actually only one third the matter it would take to have a flat universe, the rest is anti energy. Once again, the question has to be asked, what is anti energy? Scientists believe it exists, yet no one can see it or really prove it. Kind of like a God no? This anti energy probably causes the big bang and keeps the universe "alive."

Also, the old theory that the universe will one day reach a point and snap back is wrong, there is not enough mass to cause the universe to slow down, it will expand forever.

It is also probable that there are a number of universes like ours, all spreading, the multiverse is mathematically more probable than a single verse.

Kind of fucks with my head to consider where they are spreading. I mean, it has to be in something right?

the latest theory of "M" deals with all that...but it expands a bit on it, where our universe was the creation of not "0" or "1"...but "2"...the collision of 2 membrains outside of our universe...its actually been mathematically proven to be correct (or more probable)...

also, this theory also allows our universe to be contained...as in within the confines of space/time......the polar opposites of the big bang, and the big crunch (the big crunch previously being considered impossible because of the universe being flat etc..like u said)

 

[kman_69]

There might be 11 dimensions. There might be 10, there might be 26.

nah i was reading a recent peice on the decision between 11 and 12 dimensions (which has been the debate for several years)...and a group of mathematicians and physicists prvoedthat its 11 dimensions earlier this year..

 

[Illuminattile]

Can you find me this proof, because it must have somehow eluded me, and I can't find anything about it on the web.

I've never heard anyone suggest 12 dimensions. All I knew is that there had to be more than 10 (+time). I know Bosonic string theory requires 26.

 

[KAMIKAZI]

What I dont understand is, how would we know how many dimensions there are, without knowing what they are?

 

[kman_69]

Can you find me this proof, because it must have somehow eluded me, and I can't find anything about it on the web.

I've never heard anyone suggest 12 dimensions. All I knew is that there had to be more than 10 (+time). I know Bosonic string theory requires 26.

i'll have a look...but yeah there was a show on discovery about it a few months ago as well...even stephen hawking agreed on the 11 dimension theory.

...sorry i cant remember the names of the 12 and 11 dimension theorys....but i'll have a look for em...

 

[kman_69]

What I dont understand is, how would we know how many dimensions there are, without knowing what they are?

stephen hawking explained it best...

if look at an orange from a distance, it looks like its smooth (from far away enough)...now if you look more closely at the orange...you start to notice the bumps and divets on it...the closer you get, the more divets you see..

this how insignificant the other dimensions in our universe may seem to us...however, they arent insignificant at all, as the "orange" or the "universe" wouldnt exist with out the bumps and divets on it.

 

[kman_69]

http://www.mkaku.org/articles/mtheory_superstrings.shtml

this article deals with it a bit...sorry im at work, so i cant read it all...

but yeah, its the M-theory that suggests there are 11 dimensions...basically it rolls all the string theories into eachother sort of thing...

 

[KAMIKAZI]

Ok, so 3d is space and 4d is time... so wtf is 1d and 2d?

 

[kman_69]

1st=length, 2nd=width, 3th=height 4th=space/time

 

[tennis_dog]

yeah, someone just list all the dimensions...i was wondering this myself too, cuz our teachers never really went past the 4th....do the rest even have names?