Fitna

[the_pharmacist]

Except that 99.9% of Christians look at those passages and dismiss them. Christianity has moved from the 1300s to the the 21st century, Islam is still in the 900s.

This is true to an extent, but you seem to have forgotten to mention that the Qur'an is held in higher regard by Muslims than the Bible is by Christians. Regardless of the differences sects in Islam may have in regards to certain matters, they all turn to the Qur'an for clues. Such conflict, in turn, makes that particular book open to various interpretations. It is not a book that has evolved with time to suit cultural, economical, scientific and social advances and needs. The 2008 Qur'an is still the exact same as the 600's Quran.
Add to that a bunch of religious leaders that have been used as political tools over the years to influence certain events by issuing fatwas and interpreting the Qur'an in ways only them and their masters see fit, and over a billion of whom a significant portion live in poverty and extreme conditions and you got yourself the most religiously radical population on earth.
As for Fitna, I just couldn't find anything "new" in it. I think that it has been given much more than it has deserved, which is something given the fact that it didn't provoke the reaction it originally intended.

 

[Trust Nobody]

"terrorism from the middle east" the west are the biggest terrorist.

going to iraq for no reason.

9/11 is seen as a conspiracy.

israel jews punishing muslims,lets face it Israel are jus searching for the "promised land" and they will suceed.

bottom line.islam doesn't allow innocent muslims being killed.
someone mentioned forced marriages,islam doesn;t permit that either,that more culture than religion,

 

[S O F I]

This is true to an extent, but you seem to have forgotten to mention that the Qur'an is held in higher regard by Muslims than the Bible is by Christians.

and regard is measured how, exactly? By the amount of extreme radicalism? If so, oh baby, you guys win the cake.

 

[Glockmatic]

bottom line.islam doesn't allow innocent muslims being killed.

Fact of the matter is more muslims are being killed by other muslims than non-muslims.

 

[Trust Nobody]

^^wot u mean?

its like suicide bombings,islam doesnt allow suicide so those people that do they aint seen as muslims.

the suicide bombs in palestine are done out of frustration,by israel taking over,thats like human instinct,nothing to do with religion,but religion is immediately blamed.i bet the suicide bombers dnt even practice religion.

 

[PuffnScruff]

but they do it in the name of religion and not just in israel. in many other parts of the world too. tose people do practice religion, it is just a twisted and manipulated version of the religion

 

[gimmick]

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i think the extremist muslims are the true muslims... and jihad may not allow the killing of innocent people but then again muslims believe that if you are not a muslim then you are guilty.. so that means everyone who isnt a muslim regardless if he's innocent or not .. is a target .. and also anyone who isnt a muslim is going to hell ..! the prophet of islam was ordered by god to fight every1 until they believe in islam ... if you dont believe in islam then you should pay the muslims a tax if u want to live! islam is a religion of peace for muslims only.. its not a religion of tolerance for non muslims...they make it seem like if u convert to islam then u will be saved.. but the truth is there are muslims killing muslims too ... and the 72 virgins .. well.. i can get them here on earth... i think the idea of converting is stupid ...

 

[gimmick]

and to the guy who said there was no such thing as christianity when any of the bible was written.. u must ask yourself why we call jesus .. jesus christ .. christ is short for christianity.. you follow christianity then you are following christ

 

[gimmick]

yes i agree that the pre-islamic holy books arent skittles and rainbows .. they're actually worse than islam .. but the thing is .. you dont see any believer except for the muslims who are carrying out the commands in the holy books...while the christians and the jews carry out only the peaceful parts of their holy books

 

[Devious]

and to the guy who said there was no such thing as christianity when any of the bible was written.. u must ask yourself why we call jesus .. jesus christ .. christ is short for christianity.. you follow christianity then you are following christ

i think you got that backwards there buddy. Christianity is called so because it follows the word of God and the teaching of Jesus Christ. Christ isn't short for anything, that was his name. hence if you followed him and his beliefs you became a Christian. it's not because his name was Jesus Christianity lol. as for the rest of this topic, i won't touch it with a 10-foot pole.

 

[Glockmatic]

^^wot u mean?

its like suicide bombings,islam doesnt allow suicide so those people that do they aint seen as muslims.

the suicide bombs in palestine are done out of frustration,by israel taking over,thats like human instinct,nothing to do with religion,but religion is immediately blamed.i bet the suicide bombers dnt even practice religion.

More muslims are dying from suicide bombers or riots than others killing muslims. Look at statistics.

To the people killing themselves they believe that they're 100% muslims doing their duty. They probably think moderates aren't muslims at all. Suiciding bombing out of frustration? I don't think any sane mind would think "Ok, lets strap some explosives around my waist so I can blow up in the middle of a bus full of innocent people...I'm that frustrated!" Common sense tells you that that is stupid as fuck, but when you're taught that killing your enemy in the name of a religion would give you instant access to eternal bliss you would do anything.

 

[gimmick]

i think you got that backwards there buddy. Christianity is called so because it follows the word of God and the teaching of Jesus Christ. Christ isn't short for anything, that was his name. hence if you followed him and his beliefs you became a Christian. it's not because his name was Jesus Christianity lol. as for the rest of this topic, i won't touch it with a 10-foot pole.

yes christianity is called so because it follows the teaching of jesus christ! where in my post did i say otherwise?
we are called christians because we follow christ ! simple as that .. why are you complicating things? you cant spell christian without christ can you ? just like if you live on earth .. you are an earthling .. in this sense earth was derived from earthling ...just like christianity was derived from christ ! jesus christ!!!!!

 

[Devious]

yes christianity is called so because it follows the teaching of jesus christ! where in my post did i say otherwise?
we are called christians because we follow christ ! simple as that .. why are you complicating things? you cant spell christian without christ can you ? just like if you live on earth .. you are an earthling .. in this sense earth was derived from earthling ...just like christianity was derived from christ ! jesus christ!!!!!

ummm, what? i was responding to your comment that Christ is short for christianity. Christ isn't short for anything. and you still have it backwards. we are called earthlings because we live on the planet Earth. the earth isn't called the earth because we are called earthlings, so earth was not derived from earthlings. you got the second part right this time tho, Christianity was derived from the name Christ. how can you get it backwards the first time, then get it right but then get your example wrong? lol.

 

[Chronic]

Christ is not short for anything. It's not his name either. It means "one who is anointed".

yes christianity is called so because it follows the teaching of jesus christ! where in my post did i say otherwise?

Right here

christ is short for christianity

 

[Jokerman]

Christ is short for "He Who Did Not Exist."

 

[TecK NeeX]

Suiciding bombing out of frustration? I don't think any sane mind would think "Ok, lets strap some explosives around my waist so I can blow up in the middle of a bus full of innocent people...I'm that frustrated!" Common sense tells you that that is stupid as fuck, .

Until you put yourself in the shoes of a palestinian you really dont have a say in this. Bulldozing a persons house with his/her entire family inside would drive a person to commit anything. A sane person would, an insane person wouldnt..

Similar reactions were done through out history by people who have been oppressed and occupied by foreign powers, Know your history. Has absolutely nothing to do with religion, religious or not you're gonna fucking flip out. Period

when you're taught that killing your enemy in the name of a religion would give you instant access to eternal bliss you would do anything

Hey smarty, No one needs to be taught to kill his/her enemy, If your enemy just happens to be fucking your life up to the extreme, one does not need to be taught to 'kill' him LOL. Even animals know this, But hey we did spring from animals so yahhhhh..



Anyways, This video's motive is obviously clear. It's done to decrease the number of conversions in Europe and to remove non-muslims interest in Islam. Islam in Europe is growing at an alarming rate. Look up "Empty Churches, Full Mosques in Europe" hell, Many churches in Europe are being sold for redevelopment suitable for offices and condos. Church attendance is at an all time low in Europe at 19%, While Mosque attendance is at 88%. Islam was, is and will always be the fastest growing religion in the world, They can invade, occupy and produce a billion hateful videos and it will not be shaken. Fact. You can deny it all you want but the evidence is galore

 

[Glockmatic]

Until you put yourself in the shoes of a palestinian you really dont have a say in this. Bulldozing a persons house with his/her entire family inside would drive a person to commit anything. A sane person would, an insane person wouldnt..

Umm Nidal Umm Nidal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She happily sent her three children to become martyr's. Upon hearing that her son had killed 3 innocent students and wounded 23 before being shot and killed, she yelled "Allah Ackbar!" and gave out halva and chocolates.

""There is no difference [between operations against civilians and soldiers]. This is Islamic religious law. I don't invent anything. I follow Islamic religious law in this. A Muslim is very careful not to kill an innocent person, because he knows he would be destined to eternal Hell. So the issue is not at all simple. We rely on Islamic religious law when we say there is no prohibition on killing these people.""

Similar reactions were done through out history by people who have been oppressed and occupied by foreign powers, Know your history. Has absolutely nothing to do with religion, religious or not you're gonna fucking flip out. Period

There is a huge difference between killing innocent people and soldiers. I'm not just talking about suicide bombers in the middle east, I'm talking about places like Spain, UK, US, Sri Lanka, India, Russia and a whole list of others.

Did the Polish go into German cities and kill school children during World War 2? Did the French? No, they attacked the nazi soldiers. Everyday civilians have very little to do with foreign affairs, they shouldn't be targeted at all.

Hey smarty, No one needs to be taught to kill his/her enemy, If your enemy just happens to be fucking your life up to the extreme, one does not need to be taught to 'kill' him LOL. Even animals know this, But hey we did spring from animals so yahhhhh..

Sura 9 Verse 5 of the Quran is used to justify suicide bombers.

Anyways, This video's motive is obviously clear. It's done to decrease the number of conversions in Europe and to remove non-muslims interest in Islam. Islam in Europe is growing at an alarming rate. Look up "Empty Churches, Full Mosques in Europe" hell, Many churches in Europe are being sold for redevelopment suitable for offices and condos. Church attendance is at an all time low in Europe at 19%, While Mosque attendance is at 88%. Islam was, is and will always be the fastest growing religion in the world, They can invade, occupy and produce a billion hateful videos and it will not be shaken. Fact. You can deny it all you want but the evidence is galore

There is low church attendance because the belief of god is going down in Europe and most of the western world. A report came out in Canada that said that 25% of Canadians don't believe in god. The younger the person was the less likely they believed in god (60% for people under the age of 25 believed in god while 80% of people over the age of 50 believed in god.) In the coming years we'll see the number of people not believing grow.

Muslims are having more children now because living standards are rising. Also the children are labeled as muslims when in actuality they shouldn't be labeled anything, they haven't made up their mind yet. As Richard Dawkin's has said, we wouldn't stand for calling a child a "Marxist child" or "Conservative child", we shouldn't call a a child a "muslim child", a "christian child" or "atheist child". Alittle off topic but whatever

 

[TecK NeeX]

muslims believe that if you are not a muslim then you are guilty

No we don't, Guilty of what anyway? Quit making shit up

so that means everyone who isnt a muslim regardless if he's innocent or not .. is a target

No they're not, Quit making shit up.

and also anyone who isnt a muslim is going to hell..!

Its blasphemy in Islam for a muslim to say who is going to hell and who is not. We let god be the judge of that. Quit making shit up

the prophet of islam was ordered by god to fight every1 until they believe in islam

No he wasn't, On the contrary he was ordered to bring peace and build bridges between other religions. Quit making shit up

if you dont believe in islam then you should pay the muslims a tax if u want to live!

No you dont. Islamic countries are tax free, for Muslims and Non-Muslims.. Quit making shit up

 

[TecK NeeX]

Umm Nidal Umm Nidal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

She happily sent her three children to become martyr's. Upon hearing that her son had killed 3 innocent students and wounded 23 before being shot and killed, she yelled "Allah Ackbar!" and gave out halva and chocolates.

""There is no difference [between operations against civilians and soldiers]. This is Islamic religious law. I don't invent anything. I follow Islamic religious law in this. A Muslim is very careful not to kill an innocent person, because he knows he would be destined to eternal Hell. So the issue is not at all simple. We rely on Islamic religious law when we say there is no prohibition on killing these people.""

What are you trying to argue with this? She lives in hell on Earth. Funny how Wiki doesnt mention the parts in her interview about Why she sent her sons to martyrdom. Shes right in saying Muslims should be very careful in killing innocent people, In her situation she feels that no isreali is innocent, when half of them live and occupy their land, humiliating them at the same time. Thats debateable

There is a huge difference between killing innocent people and soldiers. I'm not just talking about suicide bombers in the middle east, I'm talking about places like Spain, UK, US, Sri Lanka, India, Russia and a whole list of others.

Did the Polish go into German cities and kill school children during World War 2? Did the French? No, they attacked the nazi soldiers. Everyday civilians have very little to do with foreign affairs, they shouldn't be targeted at all.

There were many backlashes against German civilians after the nazi era. Just like there were many japanese civilians butchered and murdered after the bombing of pearl harbour. You're living in denial. off the top of my head, I can recall hearing about a dozen innocent sikhs or hindus that were shot and killed just for looking like a person of Middle Eastern background after 911.

Sura 9 Verse 5 of the Quran is used to justify suicide bombers.

Why do you mention 'sura 9 verse 5' and not the verses the come before and after? You should be open minded about this and read the entire Sura and quit with googling anti-Islamic sites.

This Sura speaks about the pagans that declared war on this new faith 'Islam' and wanted the head of the Prophet(p)

Shall i quote them for you?

[9:4] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty. GOD loves the righteous.

[9:6] If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.

[9:7] How can the idol worshipers demand any pledge from GOD and from His messenger? Exempted are those who have signed a peace treaty with you at the Sacred Masjid. If they honor and uphold such a treaty, you shall uphold it as well. GOD loves the righteous.

Notice how these verses Speak of PEACE TREATIES

But if they refuse to make peace these following verses came down.

[9:12] If they violate their oaths after pledging to keep their covenants, and attack your religion, you may fight the leaders of paganism - you are no longer bound by your covenant with them - that they may refrain.

[9:13] Would you not fight people who violated their treaties, tried to banish the messenger, and they are the ones who started the war in the first place? Are you afraid of them?

SELF DEFENCE, thats all this Sura talks about. I dont know how that can be misintrepreted, It honestly cant, These extremists dont follow this blindly and attack people just for the hell of it. They're being provoked into doing what they do. It justifies self defence against islreali agression not necessarily by suicide bombings.

There is low church attendance because the belief of god is going down in Europe and most of the western world. A report came out in Canada that said that 25% of Canadians don't believe in god. The younger the person was the less likely they believed in god (60% for people under the age of 25 believed in god while 80% of people over the age of 50 believed in god.) In the coming years we'll see the number of people not believing grow.

Yah i wouldnt doubt it, Not among Muslims though.... Not going to deny that lots of muslims dont follow the religion, no one is perfect.

 

[ImmortalTech]

Why do you mention 'sura 9 verse 5' and not the verses the come before and after? You should be open minded about this and read the entire Sura and quit with googling anti-Islamic sites.

This Sura speaks about the pagans that declared war on this new faith 'Islam' and wanted the head of the Prophet(p)

Shall i quote them for you?

[9:4] If the idol worshipers sign a peace treaty with you, and do not violate it, nor band together with others against you, you shall fulfill your treaty. GOD loves the righteous.

[9:6] If one of the idol worshipers sought safe passage with you, you shall grant him safe passage, so that he can hear the word of GOD, then send him back to his place of security. That is because they are people who do not know.

[9:7] How can the idol worshipers demand any pledge from GOD and from His messenger? Exempted are those who have signed a peace treaty with you at the Sacred Masjid. If they honor and uphold such a treaty, you shall uphold it as well. GOD loves the righteous.

Notice how these verses Speak of PEACE TREATIES

But if they refuse to make peace these following verses came down.

[9:12] If they violate their oaths after pledging to keep their covenants, and attack your religion, you may fight the leaders of paganism - you are no longer bound by your covenant with them - that they may refrain.

[9:13] Would you not fight people who violated their treaties, tried to banish the messenger, and they are the ones who started the war in the first place? Are you afraid of them?

THANK YOU!