Democrats Triumph In Midterm Elections
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I tried that with you man, I tried to be mature with you and you were childish and you chose to quote me out of the context in the past that is... I couldn't reach you on a mature level and solve our differences but either way I think the US has gone to hell because of people like you. Now, there are individuals in this thread that exceed my and your intelligence combined and yet you chose to ignore them and came back with weak and unfounded rebuttals.
Do me a favor, don't tell me what I can or can't do.. now go for a swim and chill out... I'm tired of this administration's corruption and lies... but people like you , love to live in a lie.
And I don't know why you'd make such a fucking absurd statement, I never call people names..if I did though, Sofi would become Sophie the shemale and you would be MissesBuffMyButt but whatever.. i dont do that shit.. so peace be on you my republican friend.
Do me a favor, don't tell me what I can or can't do.. now go for a swim and chill out... I'm tired of this administration's corruption and lies... but people like you , love to live in a lie.
And I don't know why you'd make such a fucking absurd statement, I never call people names..if I did though, Sofi would become Sophie the shemale and you would be MissesBuffMyButt but whatever.. i dont do that shit.. so peace be on you my republican friend.
mr lawl being mature? thats funny
people like me? what do you mean? please tell me since you know me so well.
when have i told you what you can or can not do?
calling a person an ignorant boobie is calling them names.
just for future reference i am registered as a democrat
every point you try and make is a george sorros liberal propaganda and you cant even see it. talk about being blind.
people like me? what do you mean? please tell me since you know me so well.
when have i told you what you can or can not do?
calling a person an ignorant boobie is calling them names.
just for future reference i am registered as a democrat
every point you try and make is a george sorros liberal propaganda and you cant even see it. talk about being blind.
Please tell me you're joking. Fox News is just as biased as CNN, they are just biased the other way, towards the Bush administration. this administration has Fox News in it's pocket, and if you truly feel they are unbiased, then i think you have problems, honestly.
And i love how people like to spin things. Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy were against Bush's tax breaks. that does not mean they are against tax breaks altogether. saying that is as bad as the republicans saying anyone who is against the war in Iraq supports terrorism, or if you support same sex marriage you don't care or believe in the sanctity of marriage. stop trying to make everthing so black and white.
And i love how people like to spin things. Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy were against Bush's tax breaks. that does not mean they are against tax breaks altogether. saying that is as bad as the republicans saying anyone who is against the war in Iraq supports terrorism, or if you support same sex marriage you don't care or believe in the sanctity of marriage. stop trying to make everthing so black and white.
So you're saying its ok the republicans did nothing about it 2 years back when they first found out about it, based on the fact that the public didn't know? A guy whose had a history of inappropriate conduct going back 10 years? When those "couple" of republicans found out about it, they passed it on to higher adminstration, and guess what? They did nothing. and it all came out that they did nothing 2 years later when it finally becomes public.. Letting a man who is a huge opponent of child pornography continue to cyber/molest paiges...
Sure there's scandals in the Democratic Party with bribing, fraud etc, just as much as there is on the Republican party.. And Democrats didn't fire these politicians because of the saying "innocent until proven guilty" they are giving them a chance unless its absolutely true, and letting them go to court and after that they're dismissed if found guilty..
I'm not talkin about the media, i don't believe half the things the media shows... i'm talkin about the Bush Administration painting a picture of victory when the generals over there say otherwise they've been saying they need a change of course... If this war in Iraq was a success 22 american soldiers wouldn't of already died this month in 8 days, not to mention 5 years after this war started...
Bad news? take your word for it? Its easy to state something, try backing up your information next time and maybe it'll have some substance...
Sure there's scandals in the Democratic Party with bribing, fraud etc, just as much as there is on the Republican party.. And Democrats didn't fire these politicians because of the saying "innocent until proven guilty" they are giving them a chance unless its absolutely true, and letting them go to court and after that they're dismissed if found guilty..
I'm not talkin about the media, i don't believe half the things the media shows... i'm talkin about the Bush Administration painting a picture of victory when the generals over there say otherwise they've been saying they need a change of course... If this war in Iraq was a success 22 american soldiers wouldn't of already died this month in 8 days, not to mention 5 years after this war started...
Bad news? take your word for it? Its easy to state something, try backing up your information next time and maybe it'll have some substance...
actually you said Ted and Hillary were against tax cuts. i said they were against the tax cuts Bush wanted. there is a difference but since you seem to see everything in black and white i guess you can't tell the difference. i wonder if you actually even watch Fox News, since if you did you would notice how pro-republican and pro-Bush it is. there is no unbiased major news source in America, and if you believe that Fox really is unbiased, you must be brainwashed.
There are no unified radical left wing groups anymore. It's 2006, not 1969. And the days of Clinton's army of liberals are gone. The "New Democrats" are much more moderate, recognizing the need for compromise.
Just what are they so far out on?
We know that the democrats involved in the Abramoff scandal also pocketed thousands in tribal donations and campaign contributions, but what makes you think that's incentive enough for any resignations or a Congressional hearing on the matter? It certaintly may be idealistically; but in the world of corrupt politics nobody gives a damn.
Also a thorough investigation would warrant proof of direct involvement between Abramoff and said democrats, which to date there is none of. Reid, Kennedy, Daschle, all assert that the donations they received from the tribes and their connections to the tribes were "remote from Abramoff" or "had nothing to do with Abramoff."
Those involved will not resign because a) their party has not asked them to and b) they firmly believe they did nothing wrong.
Just what are they so far out on?
We know that the democrats involved in the Abramoff scandal also pocketed thousands in tribal donations and campaign contributions, but what makes you think that's incentive enough for any resignations or a Congressional hearing on the matter? It certaintly may be idealistically; but in the world of corrupt politics nobody gives a damn.
Also a thorough investigation would warrant proof of direct involvement between Abramoff and said democrats, which to date there is none of. Reid, Kennedy, Daschle, all assert that the donations they received from the tribes and their connections to the tribes were "remote from Abramoff" or "had nothing to do with Abramoff."
Those involved will not resign because a) their party has not asked them to and b) they firmly believe they did nothing wrong.
i';m not saying i think it is ok what i am saying is that when it comes into public light they do something about it. when a scandal envolving democrats gets into public light and the evidence along with it they do nothing about it and try everything they can to let it escape peoples attention. the entire party did not know about the foley scandal until recently. only a few people did. when the investigations are over i think you will see that. even though foleys actions were questionable they were not illegal. the kid was 18 at the time. there is not proof he molested anyone. i am not trying to justify the mans actions but lets not start spinning the story even more.
you cant judge success in a war based on how many people died. the fact is most americans have no patience anymore. they were expecting the war to be over in a matter of hours while they sat back and watched on news like it was a speilberg movie and the mentality of most americans has become "well i'm bored with the war lets give up". most of these generals you speak of have been retired , promoting a book , and/or very loyal to the clinton adminstration. there arent as many generals over there as you might think. ive heard opposite of what you are saying directly from high ranking officers over in iraq that do regular interviews. they say one of the biggest problem was that rumsfeld didnt listen to uniformed officers and a lot of valuable information never made it to the white house because he is too stuborn
snowman, devious is right they are just as bias as cnn. the whole fair and balanced thing was started in the 90s during a time when there were no conservative view points in tv news. when about 70-80 percent of the time if they brought on 2 people to speak on an issue they were both liberal and you hardly ever saw a conservative talking point. you are right the fair and balanced thing is about bringing both sides of the issue everytime. which is why fox has been the leader in cable news and made others follow and change their ways. while pissing off the ones that are stuck in the old ways of tv news agendas. but they are biased in their opinion. they dont hide it and can admit their biasness while other networks make the claim that their is no liberal bias reporting on any tv news while trying to point the finger at fox and say "they are the only ones that are biased". at least with fox news you can expect the news and not some reject cheerleader talking about whats going on in hollywood.
you cant judge success in a war based on how many people died. the fact is most americans have no patience anymore. they were expecting the war to be over in a matter of hours while they sat back and watched on news like it was a speilberg movie and the mentality of most americans has become "well i'm bored with the war lets give up". most of these generals you speak of have been retired , promoting a book , and/or very loyal to the clinton adminstration. there arent as many generals over there as you might think. ive heard opposite of what you are saying directly from high ranking officers over in iraq that do regular interviews. they say one of the biggest problem was that rumsfeld didnt listen to uniformed officers and a lot of valuable information never made it to the white house because he is too stuborn
snowman, devious is right they are just as bias as cnn. the whole fair and balanced thing was started in the 90s during a time when there were no conservative view points in tv news. when about 70-80 percent of the time if they brought on 2 people to speak on an issue they were both liberal and you hardly ever saw a conservative talking point. you are right the fair and balanced thing is about bringing both sides of the issue everytime. which is why fox has been the leader in cable news and made others follow and change their ways. while pissing off the ones that are stuck in the old ways of tv news agendas. but they are biased in their opinion. they dont hide it and can admit their biasness while other networks make the claim that their is no liberal bias reporting on any tv news while trying to point the finger at fox and say "they are the only ones that are biased". at least with fox news you can expect the news and not some reject cheerleader talking about whats going on in hollywood.
it's as clear as day there are far left liberals that try and appear to be moderate but they are not. try looking at their voting record. you can even look at the actions of a few in the past couple of years. anyone that tries and tells me dean is a moderate is going to get a big laugh in their face. same thing goes for kerry, kennedy, clinton, and a few others.
you dont need radical groups in this day in age. all you need is one person who is a hardcore liberal with political ties to major players in the democrat party that admits over and over again they have made it their mission to spend 100 of millions of their own dollars to sway public opinion and make the same talking points before all the news media makes the same points that trickle down to the public. all the same talking points that are made in the this thread and others like it.
you dont need radical groups in this day in age. all you need is one person who is a hardcore liberal with political ties to major players in the democrat party that admits over and over again they have made it their mission to spend 100 of millions of their own dollars to sway public opinion and make the same talking points before all the news media makes the same points that trickle down to the public. all the same talking points that are made in the this thread and others like it.
That's a completely unsubstantiated conspiracy theory thrown around by one Republican House member and recycled around conservative websites.
There were media outlets who had worked on the case/scandal for about a year but they didn't have enough substance to throw out accusations until pages were coming forward etc.
When numerous Congressmen bring it to the office of the Speaker of the House over the course of several years, and nothing happens and the Speaker claims to have forgotten all these instances, it becomes a party problem.
They were 16 years old. They were legal in the sense that they could have consented to sex with Foley if they wanted to. But trying to use that context to call those pages adults is ludicrous.
There were media outlets who had worked on the case/scandal for about a year but they didn't have enough substance to throw out accusations until pages were coming forward etc.
When numerous Congressmen bring it to the office of the Speaker of the House over the course of several years, and nothing happens and the Speaker claims to have forgotten all these instances, it becomes a party problem.
They were 16 years old. They were legal in the sense that they could have consented to sex with Foley if they wanted to. But trying to use that context to call those pages adults is ludicrous.
^--- glad to see i'm not the only one who see's the truth (Morris)
Im not judging it on the amt of people who died, that was just a statistic i threw out... I'm judging the war on the fact that the way we were running things in Iraq were not working... After 5 years of war, the people in Iraq shouldn't still be scared to go outside, people are being killed playing soccer there..... This is all our war has accomplished in Iraq? No one expected it to be over in a "couple of hours" but we all expected a lot different in 06 then it is now... Which is why the Republicans lost both chambers in this midterm, its time for a new direction... Because the one we've been takin the past 5 years hasn't done shit
Im not judging it on the amt of people who died, that was just a statistic i threw out... I'm judging the war on the fact that the way we were running things in Iraq were not working... After 5 years of war, the people in Iraq shouldn't still be scared to go outside, people are being killed playing soccer there..... This is all our war has accomplished in Iraq? No one expected it to be over in a "couple of hours" but we all expected a lot different in 06 then it is now... Which is why the Republicans lost both chambers in this midterm, its time for a new direction... Because the one we've been takin the past 5 years hasn't done shit
When Bush flies onto a carrier with a Mission Accomplished banner, where do you think people were getting their lead from?
That's because the Administration can't articulate what the war is being fought for since we never found weapons programs. And it's impossible for the Administration to strongly tie Iraq to the war on terror when the terrorist groups we have been fighting the most weren't in Iraq until we were.
Throw in a clearly incoherent post war reconstruction plan and numerous poor decisions, and it's no wonder people are fed up. You have terrorists fomenting sectarian violence, the two sects perpetuating the violence, and the different sects and terrorists fighting American forces.
I can't see a silver lining in this situation, and I'm a proponent of staying there indefinitely, because I think the only way things could get worse in Iraq is if we left.
That's exactly what the "retired, pro Clinton" generals have been complaining about for years. So I don't get why you attempt to discredit them and then use other generals who are parroting their complaints. It's clear Rumsfeld made a number of horrible decisions in hindsight, including sending too few troops and disbanding the Iraqi national army.
That's because the Administration can't articulate what the war is being fought for since we never found weapons programs. And it's impossible for the Administration to strongly tie Iraq to the war on terror when the terrorist groups we have been fighting the most weren't in Iraq until we were.
Throw in a clearly incoherent post war reconstruction plan and numerous poor decisions, and it's no wonder people are fed up. You have terrorists fomenting sectarian violence, the two sects perpetuating the violence, and the different sects and terrorists fighting American forces.
I can't see a silver lining in this situation, and I'm a proponent of staying there indefinitely, because I think the only way things could get worse in Iraq is if we left.
That's exactly what the "retired, pro Clinton" generals have been complaining about for years. So I don't get why you attempt to discredit them and then use other generals who are parroting their complaints. It's clear Rumsfeld made a number of horrible decisions in hindsight, including sending too few troops and disbanding the Iraqi national army.
i agree the adminstration has done a shitty job in trying to explain this war to the public and has made many p.r. erros. i actually think they have done a little bit better since tony snow has come in.
i see the pro clinton generals having an agenda and maybe even trying to audition for what they think is clintion adminstration part 2.
the kid in the foley scandal is 21 years old right now, he was 18 at the time. this has been proven
you can call things conspiracy theories if you want but i think a lot more info will come out when the investigation is done.
i see the pro clinton generals having an agenda and maybe even trying to audition for what they think is clintion adminstration part 2.
the kid in the foley scandal is 21 years old right now, he was 18 at the time. this has been proven
you can call things conspiracy theories if you want but i think a lot more info will come out when the investigation is done.
:thumb: Kuddo's to Morris. This war was so ill planned an just stupid democracy wasn't given a chance at all, it was 3 months of inspections which turned up nothing but some al samud missiles which Hussien agreed to destroy then next thing you know Bush claims he (Saddam) isn't co operating. I'm no fan of Saddam by all means but the lack of planning an listening to those who actually knew what they were talking about, by this administration was horrible. Gen Shinseki (who i met once while i was in the army btw) warned Bush it would take at least 400 to 500,000 troops to occupy Iraq. The then Secretary of the army Thomas White also agreed with this figure. Sorry but the truth is Iraq is doomed to fail, occupation never works, never in history has there been a successful occupation of a country, every one has had catastrophic events which lead to the end of the occupation.
Its just a hard truth, shits not gonna work Bush's "stay the course" b.s. is ridiculous. I understand what the president is getting at to a degree but then again i don't, terrorism hasn't subsided one bit asked the people of Iraq. This war has done nothing but spawn more terrorists if anything. Ridiculous how "we" couldn't use diplomacy with Saddam but "we" can with North Korea!? Yes the world is better off without Saddam Hussien but a nuclear armed North Korea is just as much a threat or more. Kim Jong Il wold have no second thoughts of selling a "dirty bomb" to Al Quidea or any other of "our" enemies. In closing of my rant Bush is a twit who deserves to be impeached and imprisoned more so then Clinton ever did.
Its just a hard truth, shits not gonna work Bush's "stay the course" b.s. is ridiculous. I understand what the president is getting at to a degree but then again i don't, terrorism hasn't subsided one bit asked the people of Iraq. This war has done nothing but spawn more terrorists if anything. Ridiculous how "we" couldn't use diplomacy with Saddam but "we" can with North Korea!? Yes the world is better off without Saddam Hussien but a nuclear armed North Korea is just as much a threat or more. Kim Jong Il wold have no second thoughts of selling a "dirty bomb" to Al Quidea or any other of "our" enemies. In closing of my rant Bush is a twit who deserves to be impeached and imprisoned more so then Clinton ever did.
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