Dearest Citizen of the World,

#41
There is proof of illuminate- not just signs- there was a program on sky a cple months ago which was looking into the existence and aims of the illuminate. Basically, there was a guy on there, who was a member and talk to for the documentary. However, he led the presenter on a wild goose chase trying to find a location to meet him. Anyways, he never turned up- i don't see why the person never denied the existence of illuminate, but then again, he never admitted it either- so what kind of games or messages they trying to send to the public????? If they didn't exist- why not just dismiss the 'rumours'?

Another guy on there admitted the existence of illuminate, and how he's been involved with them- and now they have tabs on the guy because he betrayed them in some way.

Looking at the world now- there's so much info about us, that it would be very easy to control our lives or just to monitor our lives, i.e. education (know what kind of business and career u wana do), health records (they know what illnesses u have), claimin benefits (know how much u get every week, if ur stil working) credit cards-( see what we buy and how much we spend), passports (see where we travel, and why) etc. The whole issue of identity cards and eye scanning- what's the real purpose? They gona know where u are, what time, what ur doing... Films like demolitian man and minority report gona come true.

In fact- they probs even monitering us now! i.e. IP address.
Crazy deep shit.
 
#42
the difficult part is not for them to monitor us, but to get som many people with real money and power to work towards the same goal...

then, they start getting people who have the potential to become powerful and help them to the top....

so it gets easier as they go
 
#43
BC_BIGBUDZ420 said:
hows this?

William Barrett, the Frenchman who brought the plans for the seal from Europe and paid heavily lobbying Washington and other forefathers to use it.

Barrett was a member of the "Illuminati," the French counterpart of the Masons, an organization in which the early fathers held membership.
I wouldn't class an unsourced quote from another message board as 'evidence'.

I think you'll find that the above quote is referring to a completely different group. Throughout history, many unrelated groups used the name Illuminati. The Illuminati is the Bavarian Illuminati, that's who people are talking about when they reference the Illuminati. The Illuminati in France, also known as the Illuminés, predate the Bavarian Illuminati and has nothing to do with them or the Masons.

Secondly, I can find no mention of a "William Barrett" in reference to the seal. A heraldist named William Barton proposed the unfinished pyramid and improved on the design of the Eye of Providence. However, he was influenced by the pyramid on the $50 bill, designed by Francis Hopkinson.

But let's suppose for a second that someone from the Illuminati surreptitiously including their emblem in the design of the Great Seal. So what? Does that mean the government are all members of the Illuminati? No, of course it doesn't.
 
#44
Jokerman said:
And who wrote this? And why do you believe them? Because you want to? Could they have said anything about this that you wouldn't believe?

Yeah, I'm gonna believe these idiots have supernatural powers and spiritual perception. You're gullible, which is why u believe this stuff. It's not that we're not questioning things; it's that we have a better foundation of knowledge and understanding of the world, and so, we see the flaws in this stuff in hundreds of ways. You simply don't know enough about what is to see the nonsense in this.

Someone can make-up a story and write a book about aliens controlling the world and make everything seem plausible with details, and you would probably believe it. Because why wouldn't you?

I could make up similar, plausible stuff about the Illuminatti, post it on a website, and guess what? It will slowly become part of the Illuminatti myth that ppl like you believe in. You guys will be quoting my made-up shit.

im not saying i 100% believe what the "one" guy said
oh he just happened to be a 33 degree mason it's from a book he wrote...

the only flaws you guy's supposedly see is just opinon..
ok you have a "better" understanding yet all you counter with is a opinon...hahah

no i dont beleive anything that sombody put's on the internet
so you can put that opinon to rest!

gullible....that's funny really, sombody that looks at the bigger picture and think's outside the constructed box is gullible?
i think you might want to look in a mirror when you say that!

nobody said they all have supernatural power's or said that any of them did it says that they think that there will be a king from the long line of them that will have them.....

ofcourse when you are stuck thinking in 1 dimension,i dont expect one to believe anything they dont want to...

people that think nothing is going on just because they dont see it
is like saying you dont exsist cuz i cant see you
 
#45
Bina said:
There is proof of illuminate- not just signs- there was a program on sky a cple months ago which was looking into the existence and aims of the illuminate. Basically, there was a guy on there, who was a member and talk to for the documentary. However, he led the presenter on a wild goose chase trying to find a location to meet him. Anyways, he never turned up- i don't see why the person never denied the existence of illuminate, but then again, he never admitted it either- so what kind of games or messages they trying to send to the public????? If they didn't exist- why not just dismiss the 'rumours'?

Another guy on there admitted the existence of illuminate, and how he's been involved with them- and now they have tabs on the guy because he betrayed them in some way.

Looking at the world now- there's so much info about us, that it would be very easy to control our lives or just to monitor our lives, i.e. education (know what kind of business and career u wana do), health records (they know what illnesses u have), claimin benefits (know how much u get every week, if ur stil working) credit cards-( see what we buy and how much we spend), passports (see where we travel, and why) etc. The whole issue of identity cards and eye scanning- what's the real purpose? They gona know where u are, what time, what ur doing... Films like demolitian man and minority report gona come true.

In fact- they probs even monitering us now! i.e. IP address.
Crazy deep shit.
And you believe these testimony's because...?

Khaled said:
the founders of the illuminati were free masons
they did teach yoga and sufist practices, it doesn't matter whether they were trying to counter religion or not
free masons existed way before 1600, there are different stories,
The founder of the Illuminati was Adam Weishaupt, and ex-Mason who found Masonry, on the whole, useless. He was an atheist, and nothing I've read has mentioned an interest in yoga or spiritualism.

one story i heard for example says that the first free masons were the phoenician architects of the temple of king Salomon. After the temple was finished, Salomon ordered to kill all the masons who worked on it because he didn't want them to build any other structure of comparable beauty. Some of these masons survived and were persecuted... the became the free masons....
Although groups of travelling freelance builders (free masons, which is where the name came from) existed back as far as that, building Solomon's Temple and the Tower of Babel, they were merely groups of builders. By the 17th century these groups or 'lodges' begun to allow non-Masons to join their groups, and that's how they turned into the 'secret society' they are known as today.
 
#46
Illuminattile said:
But let's suppose for a second that someone from the Illuminati surreptitiously including their emblem in the design of the Great Seal. So what? Does that mean the government are all members of the Illuminati? No, of course it doesn't.


i dont think anybody is saying everybody in the goverment is involved..evil and control exsist on a bigger level than just your neighborhood and city...its fact that throughout history there has been people bent on world domination...why is this so hard to understand?
nobody is saying that every person in power is taking part in it
nobody is saying you have to believe it...
if sombody has some valid fact's you just say "oh well do you believe eveything on the internet"
if sombody put's the bigger picture in context...you say "oh you believe everybody is in on it and evil ,it just doesnt make sence"

generalizing everything doesnt make the fact's go away!


seriously if you have something "valid" to say other than opinon please educate me really...........


you dont think that there is organizations that run the world?

you dont think that people in power lie to the general public?

you dont think that sombody in the highest position of power and wealth get's to play "god" with the world?
just curious

you can look at bush and see idiot's run shit.....and he aint even the man
 
#47
Illuminattile said:
And you believe these testimony's because...?


The founder of the Illuminati was Adam Weishaupt, and ex-Mason who found Masonry, on the whole, useless. He was an atheist, and nothing I've read has mentioned an interest in yoga or spiritualism.


Although groups of travelling freelance builders (free masons, which is where the name came from) existed back as far as that, building Solomon's Temple and the Tower of Babel, they were merely groups of builders. By the 17th century these groups or 'lodges' begun to allow non-Masons to join their groups, and that's how they turned into the 'secret society' they are known as today.
Its a possible theory- like u say, be open minded!
 
#48
1671...1396 said:
i dont think anybody is saying everybody in the goverment is involved..evil and control exsist on a bigger level than just your neighborhood and city...its fact that throughout history there has been people bent on world domination...why is this so hard to understand?
It's not, but don't try and claim that you're merely stating that some people are evil. The claim of those who believe in the Illuminati is that government, the media, 'big business' etc. are under the control of a group whose aim is global oppression. A group who have orchestrated all the major tragedies and world events since its inception. Not just a group of corrupt politicans, not just a group of rich businessmen...a group of people intent on controlling the world to further their own evil desires. That's the claim, that's what's ridiculous.

if sombody has some valid fact's you just say "oh well do you believe eveything on the internet"
I don't recall saying that.

generalizing everything doesnt make the fact's go away!
I don't recall too many facts being presented in the first place.

seriously if you have something "valid" to say other than opinon please educate me really...........
I have been posting valid information.
 
#49
Illuminattile said:
I wouldn't class an unsourced quote from another message board as 'evidence'.

I think you'll find that the above quote is referring to a completely different group. Throughout history, many unrelated groups used the name Illuminati. The Illuminati is the Bavarian Illuminati, that's who people are talking about when they reference the Illuminati. The Illuminati in France, also known as the Illuminés, predate the Bavarian Illuminati and has nothing to do with them or the Masons.

Secondly, I can find no mention of a "William Barrett" in reference to the seal. A heraldist named William Barton proposed the unfinished pyramid and improved on the design of the Eye of Providence. However, he was influenced by the pyramid on the $50 bill, designed by Francis Hopkinson.

But let's suppose for a second that someone from the Illuminati surreptitiously including their emblem in the design of the Great Seal. So what? Does that mean the government are all members of the Illuminati? No, of course it doesn't.


i never said everyone in the U.S government is illuminati, i just said that symbol on the american doller bill is an illuminati symbol.

i dont know how many government figures are illuminati influenced but it is evident that DARPA established after 911 has illuminati influence

 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#50
See, the problem is that these Illuminatti sources are not credible sources. They are either anonymous internet stuff or they're by people who have no reputation as researchers whatsoever. Illuminattile is not posting opinions; he's posting what reputable researchers have said. And the problem you illuminatti believers have is not being able to distinguish between credible sources and not.
 
#52
Illuminattile said:
It's not, but don't try and claim that you're merely stating that some people are evil. The claim of those who believe in the Illuminati is that government, the media, 'big business' etc. are under the control of a group whose aim is global oppression. A group who have orchestrated all the major tragedies and world events since its inception. Not just a group of corrupt politicans, not just a group of rich businessmen...a group of people intent on controlling the world to further their own evil desires. That's the claim, that's what's ridiculous.


I don't recall saying that.


I don't recall too many facts being presented in the first place.


I have been posting valid information.


i was genralizing to make a point....

it's not ridiulous all you have to do is look at slavery to see that it's not that "far out" to see that the world is becoming a global sweat shop!


umm ive seen alot of fact's
and have read massive amount's of information on alot of this whole unbelievable stuff here!


and they are under control of each other!


look at politics there under control of big business which is connected to the media and other things defence contractor's ect.
big buisness is under the world bank's which gives them loans
if 2 country's are at war the middle man is making shit loads of money

they make money off of war! do you understand this?
now if thats some of there bread and butter...they wouldnt cause tragedy's to keep war alive and well?

you dont think people in power make chess moves or is chess just a game?


it is all controlled like a pyramid scheme you know how that works it flow's all the way down and the people at the bottom get scraps if there lucky to get anything at all
 
#54
Illuminattile said:
But you haven't provided evidence for that, have you?


What does ANNUIT COEPTIS mean?

These words mean "He (God) has favoured our undertakings".
What does NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM mean?

In this context, the word NOVS translates into 'new', ORDO means order and Seclorum means world. As my sources conflicted slightly, I literally looked for the translations word by word, and although the term NOVUS has a few meanings, it would depend on the context it was written. Therefore, even though the Chinese whispers seem to have confused some people, (things get distorted) this is the basic meaning.

Take notice of the eye in between the cap and the main part of the pyramid (which, I will note is an Egyptian symbol). This eye is known to most as the 'all seeing eye' or the 'Eye of God'. Which God is this in reference to? Surely it cannot be the ALMIGHTY, since HE has more than one eye. If man has been made in God's image, then we would expect him to have at least two. The eye is also a symbol for the illuminated one. In other words, Lucifer (or Satan). So what on earth is it doing on your ONE DOLLAR BILL?

It has to do with the founders of America, which I won't get into right this minute, but two groups in particular, The Illuminati and the Freemasons have had a LOT of influence on the creation of the ONE DOLLAR NOTE and the US SEAL.

What do the "ROMAN NUMERALS" mean?

For people like me, who wouldn't remember what they learned in primary school, I looked them up. The numerals MDCCLXXVI = 1776, the year Professor Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati. It was founded on May 1st and the term 'May Day', might be familiar. This is what it is in reference to.

When did the ONE DOLLAR NOTE first have this seal?

The seal was approved by Franklin Roosevelt in 1933. This date may be important due to the fact that there are 33 degrees (or levels) in Freemasonry, the 33rd being the highest. Franklin Roosevelt, who was a 32nd degree mason at the time, was the man that approved the seal.
 
#55
BC_BIGBUDZ420 said:
What does ANNUIT COEPTIS mean?

These words mean "He (God) has favoured our undertakings".
God/Providence, that's about right.

What does NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM mean?

In this context, the word NOVS translates into 'new', ORDO means order and Seclorum means world. As my sources conflicted slightly, I literally looked for the translations word by word, and although the term NOVUS has a few meanings, it would depend on the context it was written. Therefore, even though the Chinese whispers seem to have confused some people, (things get distorted) this is the basic meaning.
New Order of the Ages, is the most common translation. A reference to the new age of America.

Take notice of the eye in between the cap and the main part of the pyramid (which, I will note is an Egyptian symbol). This eye is known to most as the 'all seeing eye' or the 'Eye of God'. Which God is this in reference to? Surely it cannot be the ALMIGHTY, since HE has more than one eye. If man has been made in God's image, then we would expect him to have at least two. The eye is also a symbol for the illuminated one. In other words, Lucifer (or Satan). So what on earth is it doing on your ONE DOLLAR BILL?
The 'Eye of God' appears in the Bible, the Illuminati were atheists. The idea that it's a reference to Satanism is ludicrous.

What do the "ROMAN NUMERALS" mean?

For people like me, who wouldn't remember what they learned in primary school, I looked them up. The numerals MDCCLXXVI = 1776, the year Professor Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati. It was founded on May 1st and the term 'May Day', might be familiar. This is what it is in reference to.
Something else happened in 1776, what was it...ah yes, the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

When did the ONE DOLLAR NOTE first have this seal?

The seal was approved by Franklin Roosevelt in 1933. This date may be important due to the fact that there are 33 degrees (or levels) in Freemasonry, the 33rd being the highest. Franklin Roosevelt, who was a 32nd degree mason at the time, was the man that approved the seal.
The reverse side of the Great Seal, the side with the Eye and all tha Latin on, appeared on the one-dollar bill in 1935.

http://www.greatseal.com/symbols/index.html
 
#57
If the accused i.e. Bush, US government, are not part of Illuminate, why have they not dismissed the 'rumours'? Simply, say they are not- but they haven't!
 
#58
Nice read that was. Call them what u will, the Illuminati, the Free Masons.. I dont really care what there called.. all I know is, they exist. And they do indeed control us as it was described. But the guy who wrote that made one silly mistake.. he said theres nothing we can do about it. And resistance is no use. They wouldn't risk war against civilians or militan groups. because an empire would fall.. but lets say if civil war did break lose in every high ranking country.. they would cease to exist becuz without us they make no profit. He can underestimate whom he wants. Its a simple ending.. destruction of human kind.
 
#59
Everyone has heard, and has probably used the term "conspiracy theorist," or theory and the fact of the term being in common use, also indicates that we generally agree on what it means. I saw a movie by that name, and the title character was a raving lunatic who kept his food in thermoses with combination locks to reduce his chances of being poisoned by imaginary enemies.

Regardless of how the stupid movie turned out, what's important here is the common perception people have of someone to whom that label is applied, and just as important, is who it is that applies the label. The common perception is that someone who is labeled a "conspiracy theorist" is suffering from some type of psychological disorder, and that label is usually applied to people by our government, and our news media. The next thing to consider, is that the label is applied to anyone who questions our government's version of events in any matter. Doesn't it logically follow that the media are teaching us to assume that anyone who questions the government is insane? When that label is applied to a person, doesn't it become easy to dismiss everything they say without even hearing it? How convenient for them.

I think the label first became widely used to slander people who questioned the details surrounding the JFK assassination, and forty years later, there aren't too many thinking people who still believe the Warren Commission's "lone gunman" explanation. That explanation is doubted by everyone who has taken the time to look into the details, and believed only by people who refuse to.

Which is "theory" and which is fact? In the absence of a full confession, this can only be decided by a preponderance of evidence, and it would be silly to come to a conclusion on any matter without looking at all the evidence available. This is only common sense, just as it is safe to assume some degree of guilt or complicity on the part of anyone who lies about an event, or tries to hide, plant, or destroy any type of evidence.

Conspiracy theories arise from evidence. After the government releases an explanation of a particular event, a conspiracy theory is only born because evidence exists to disprove their explanation, or at least call it into question. There's nothing insane about it, unless you define sanity as believing whatever the government tells you. In light of the fact that our government lies to us regularly, I would define believing everything they tell you as utter stupidity.

In July of 1996, flight 800 exploded over Long Island. Shortly after their terrorist explanation failed scrutiny, our government then explained the event by claiming that a faulty electrical system caused a spark that ignited a fuel tank, and the people who doubted this explanation were quickly labeled "conspiracy theorists." More than a hundred witnesses saw a missile travel from the ground up to the plane just prior to its explosion, but rather than being treated as eyewitnesses to an event, they were labeled "conspiracy theorists," which label allowed all subsequent investigation to ignore the strongest evidence in the matter.

Our "investigative" news agencies decided to accept and disseminate the official story, and they helped us forget the U.S. naval station nearby, the fact that missiles were regularly test fired there, and naturally, they paid no heed to more than a hundred "conspiracy theorists" who saw the plane get blown out of the sky by a missile. I believe that the U.S. Navy accidentally shot down flight 800, and that's my belief because it's the most sensible explanation that can be drawn from the available evidence. I'm not theorizing about conspiracies, but there are conflicting explanations of the event, and if the Navy did accidentally blow a passenger plane out of the sky, who would have a motive to lie about it? The U.S. government, or a hundred witnesses?

Then of course, there were the "crazy conspiracy theories" arising from the bombing of the Alfred Murrah federal building in Oklahoma City. In that matter, audio tapes and witnesses agree that there were two explosions, the first of which occurred inside the building between eight and ten seconds before the truck bomb exploded. Explosive experts agree that Timothy McVeigh's fertilizer bomb could not have destroyed the building, and the FBI's counter terrorism chief, and members of BATF lied about their whereabouts during and prior to the catastrophe. The evening news decided not to tell you any of this, and they will label anyone who tries to a "paranoid conspiracy theorist." In light of the evidence, we would be complete fools if a conspiracy theory didn't exist.

There were no conspiracy theories arising from the explosion of flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, and there were no conspiracy theories arising from the work of the uni-bomber, so the newly invented psycho-babble that tries to explain the malady of conspiracy theorists, also needs to explain why millions of conspiracy theorists all decided not to theorize about those events. There is no psychological malady. There was simply no evidence to indicate a conspiracy.

The real question is not why people theorize about conspiracies, but why people choose to believe the government's version of events when it's obvious that they're lying. One reason is that most people never see the evidence because our "news" industry hides it, and another reason is that the same news industry will quickly associate anyone who questions the government with the people who see Elvis, Bigfoot, and UFO's.

But sadly, I think the main reason people choose to believe the government's version of events despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is because it's easier, and safer. If you ignore most of the evidence, and accept as plausible whatever ridiculous explanation the T.V. provides, your life remains simple, and you get to sit on your ass and watch more T.V. If on the other hand, you pluck your head from that same ass and realize you've been lied to, as a citizen in a democratic society, you're instantly burdened with being responsible for doing something about it. Every citizen of the United States has a civic duty to participate in their government, and keep themselves informed of its actions, or government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" isn't possible. You were warned that "eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, " but you chose to ignore your government, and believe whatever they told you, and because of this, Americans have lost their freedom. Although presidents and senators are public servants, unlike the dog catcher and mailman, they wield a lot of power over people's lives, and that's why they have to be watched, and scrutinized.

Statistical analysts from UCLA and Rutgers University believe that John Kerry won the 2004 presidential election by an estimated 1.3 million votes, and despite the fact that these learned scholars are probably the most qualified people alive to forward such an opinion, our news madia dismisses this as "conspiracy theory." George W. Bush lost the 2000 election, and he lost the 2004 election, but he's occupying the White House, shredding our constitution, and stealing our wealth and freedom in a "war on terror" that's as fraudulent as his presidency because many Americans are too stupid to see it, too lazy to do anything about it, or both.

I'm sorry if I sound angry, but the fact of the matter is that I am angry. While you were staring into the television like an idiot, our freedom, wealth, and constitutional protections have been stolen from us, and because you're stupid enough to believe the manure being shoveled by our government, you've allowed them to commit bigger and more heinous crimes. Because you were too lazy to research their nonsensical economic policies, and see them for the scams that they are, we'll all soon be living in poverty. And because you're so lazy, apathetic, and easily lied to, millions have died for the profits of a few. I have every right to be angry, and only a fool wouldn't be.

Only a small portion of my anger is reserved for the government of the United States, because they only did what can be expected of any government. They grabbed money, power and control where it was easy to do so. Most of my anger is directed toward my fellow American citizens, because they allowed it to happen by believing whatever they're told, and not doing what's expected of them. Patriotism in America does not mean waving the flag in blind loyalty to the government. As an American citizen, you have a civic duty to question your government, and hold them accountable for their actions, not use the flag as a blindfold. The American people have been duped once again, and it doesn't seem like it's a difficult thing to accomplish.

America's latest "conspiracy nuts" are better known as the 9-11 truth movement. The news media are doing their usual job of slandering them with their usual childish name calling, but for more than three years, they have refused to show you the documented fact, scientific data, expert testimony, photographic evidence, or the credible eyewitness accounts that prove U.S. government complicity in the events of September, 11, 2001. If this were just a "crazy conspiracy theory," I don't think people in our government would have worked so hard to destroy, hide, and lie about the evidence. The White House tried to derail every investigation into the matter. If we had an honest government, we wouldn't have conspiracy theories. We would have honest investigations, and fair trials, but these things are disappearing from America.

There are disturbing facts regarding the events of September 11 that every American needs to be aware of , but naturally, none of it will be on T.V. I've met a lot of people in the 9-11 truth movement, and I can assure you that none of them are crazy, paranoid, or even "conspiracy theorists." One generalization I can make about them is that they all seem to be very intelligent. Maybe the smartest thing you could do would be to start listening to them. The Arabs don't "hate your freedom." The White House hates your freedom, because it's the only thing that stands between them, and unlimited power. -
 
#60
Illuminattile said:
And you believe these testimony's because...?


The founder of the Illuminati was Adam Weishaupt, and ex-Mason who found Masonry, on the whole, useless. He was an atheist, and nothing I've read has mentioned an interest in yoga or spiritualism.
i know for a fact that there are mystic practices by the illuminati, i can get you some sources if you want...
also, the word enlightenment comes from indian spirituality, and the all seing eye was not used just for the original graphics


http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Illuminati.htm
 

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