Cali Pigs Kill 13 Yr Old

[Duke]

Odd situation. But some of you are making it seem as if Anarchist is justifying the kid's actions. He's not, he's absolutely right when hes questioning the actions of the police here.


"Realiy Dangerous Police Car Chases" is a business these days. What makes a suspect ramming a police car (in reverse no less, he couldn't have been driving that fast) SO dangerous he should get shot? What happens in these series is that there are a load of cop cars chasing the chap till he crashes or they push him off the road. Then 6 big, buff officers jump on the guy and they arrest him. I've never once seen anyone get shot at the scene because he was recklessly driving a stolen car.

I'm not denying the suspect (i'll refer to him as the suspect, instead of a kid, cos the cops didnt know it and it couldve been anyone) was dangerous, stupid and a threat to other people.

But was he such an immediate and fatal threat he should've been blasted to hell?


Are there any people here who agree with the following statement:

If a person is driving a car in such a reckless manner that he is or can be a fatal threat to other people, should the person be "shot to kill" by the police?

Before answering, consider that the "can be a fatal threat" is a very delicate thing. Because if the police would have to shoot everyone who CAN be a threat in the future, there would be no limit to the dead bodies. Why don't i see the cops executing every fleeing suspect in a car?

If a 50 year old man was driving along home from work, suffered a stroke and suddenly began driving very recklessly and endangering lives of other people?

Should he be shot?

 

[haunted]

If a 50 year old man was driving along home from work, suffered a stroke and suddenly began driving very recklessly and endangering lives of other people?

Should he be shot?

If he started ramming peoples cars, then yes.

 

[Sebastian]

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lol, of course not fool. there are other ways to stop a car than shooting the driver

 

[Jokerman]

If a 50 year old man was driving along home from work, suffered a stroke and suddenly began driving very recklessly and endangering lives of other people?

Should he be shot?

An incapacitated individual would either crash soon after the onset of his health crisis or it would be obvious to the police that the driver was incapacitated. A stroke victim would not lead them on a 3.5 mile high-speed chase through double upside-down loops at Great Adventure.

 

[Duke]

An incapacitated individual would either crash soon after the onset of his health crisis or it would be obvious to the police that the driver was incapacitated. A stroke victim would not lead them on a 3.5 mile high-speed chase through double upside-down loops at Great Adventure.

My point being that the driver poses a serious threat to others, resulting from whatever reason except intentional agression.

Should he be shot?

 

[Default MX]

dude anarchist your basing your whole case on "the kid was 13" .. so the fuck what .. you break the law you get what you get.

and why do you people say "fucking cops" or "pig motherfuckers" but its you motherfuckers callin em when you need their help. If your family gets murdered your the one thats gona b looking at the cops to find em. (the killers that is)

 

[Infamous Josedy]

The kid deserved it.Driving drunk, stolen whip, and obvisiously didn't care if he killed a police officier by ramming into them sometimes extreme measures have to be taken to prevent a greater harm.The kid could have easily gotten away, if police hadn't opened fire, and could have hit innocent civilians.I hate cops as much as the next minority but shit, sometimes the cops aren't at fault.[That of course is a very small sometimes ]

 

[kman_69]

they could have shot the tyres out.

 

[Glockmatic]

he rammed a cop car after being stopped, what makes you think he'll stop with flat tires? With flat tires theres a higher chance of innocents being killed

 

[Belle]

You guys are REALLY fucked up, you wanna take what you want from what I write and debate while ignoring the rest...

The facts are plain and simple, these were not foot patrol cops, it was a 1992 Toyota, being put in reverse at NON DANGEROUS speeds

If the cops had any balls and werent puss, they woulda just rammed the fucking car off the road .. Plain and simple, it's a 92 Toyota vs a 4 door 8 cylinder police cruiser (And more then ONE cruiser at that)...

The cops that handled this situation should not be cops at all...

Nothing to do with black or white, nothing to do with 13 years old.

It's cops using excesive and unecessary procedures plain and simple, playing god and playing judge jury and excecutioner.

Some of your points make sense but others are just emotional. He was drunk. He was 13, meaning that he had close to no experience driving a car, meaning that his fun endangered other lives etc etc. Look at it logically - if he had been left to continue & his driving had injured or killed an innocent bystander, would your comments be the same? I sympathize wit the kid coz he was obviously lookin for some fun & got carried away, but that doesnt justify it. Im not attacking your opinion, you got a right to it - but you never said what you wouldve done.. It was pre-dawn so im guessing the police couldnt see who was driving the car.. all they knew is that a driver was in a stolen car, drunk, swerving and putting lives in danger, right?

 

[Belle]

My point being that the driver poses a serious threat to others, resulting from whatever reason except intentional agression.

Should he be shot?

I doubt that a person who suffered a stroke or heart attack would stop to let his boys out of the car .. and then reverse into the cop car behind him.

 

[Duke]

I doubt that a person who suffered a stroke or heart attack would stop to let his boys out of the car .. and then reverse into the cop car behind him.

You're missing the point. Perhaps my example wasn't the greatest, but i meant with it, how about a person who is, unintentionally, posing a great risk, possibly fatal risk, to other people.

Is he or she going to be shot for that? Without trying to stop him or her first by other means?

Because that's the argument i see a lot of people using here. "He was very dangerous to others". Yeah, that's true, but is it right for the police to kill him on that basis alone?


There is something called "proper use of deadly force". And imho the cops didn't use their deadly force properly here.

Although we don't really have enough facts about the situation to make a really good judgement, but still.

 

[Jokerman]

You're missing the point. Perhaps my example wasn't the greatest, but i meant with it, how about a person who is, unintentionally, posing a great risk, possibly fatal risk, to other people.

And our point is, name one situation where the risk is unintentional and where cops would have no way of knowing? Unintentional does not act like intentional, that's the point.

Intentional behavior = proper use of deadly force

 

[Duke]

And our point is, name one situation where the risk is unintentional and where cops would have no way of knowing? Unintentional does not act like intentional, that's the point.

Intentional behavior = proper use of deadly force

That's hard to judge, isn't it? Unintentional usually does not act like intentional.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

Do cops kill every person who steals cars and rams cop cars? I've seen this situation plenty of times where the police managed to solve the situation with nobody ending up dead. Although the kid put himself in a situation where this could happen he went down that path himself, but I agree Police could have tried other measures ie shooting out the tires, raming the car strategically like they are trained etc. And its interesting the specifics of the incident are not clear yet, makes you wonder if it was as clear cut as the article says.
Similar situation in Sydney last week where three teenagers where in a high speed car chase and crashed killing two passengers, the neighbourhood where they were from rioted blaming police. I find this situation to be comlete fault of the driver and occupants (as long as Police didnt create the accident) who decided to steal the car and police where only doing their jobs, the teenagers didnt have to speed off from police.
But with the 13 year old he was shot, so I find it different since other measures could have been exploited.

 

[Story]

^ he was drunk, what if he slammed into someone else and killed them, they tried to get him to stop, tried, tried, he didnt.

he wanted to be a banger, good, he got banged.

 

[Story]

not a race issue, the kid was a moron

 

[Rock]

i would have done the same, its easy to sit back and say "fuck the cops" and put the blame on them, yet i see no blame passed on the little fucker that got drunk and started driving and probly would have killed people due to his stupidness.

i notice u always blame a higher power, the goverment, the police for black people doing bad things, why cant u just admit that there are dumb niggaz out there, if a gang member yelling "ima kill a ya'll" was driving in a car with an ak im sure u would try to put some spin and blame it on some sort of white guy "oh, he was raised in the ghetto therefor he became a bad person, if it wasnt for slavery he wouldnt do this" or how bout "THE WHITE MAN MADE THE AK AND THE CAR SO THEREFORE HE DROVE THIS POOR HOPELESS BLACK MAN THAT SOLD DRUGS TO PROVIDE FOR HIS FAMILY TO COMMIT MURDA" or how bout this one "How did they know he was gonna shoot people with his ak, IF IT WAS A WHITEMAN WITH AN AK, HE WOULD GET A FUCKING NOBEL PEACE PRIZE, HE WOULD BE THE WHITE GHANDI"

I use to think u were real smart(i still think u are)but some of the shit u say is bull, also i cant belive u said "dont tell me you never went joy riding when u were growing up" THATS YOUR FUCKING EXCUSE, so endangering lives is a healthy part of growing up, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.

couldn't have said it any better very well done :thumb:

 

[Duke]

^ he was drunk, what if he slammed into someone else and killed them, they tried to get him to stop, tried, tried, he didnt.

he wanted to be a banger, good, he got banged.

But as the police didn't know it was a 13 yr old boy, they wouldn't know he was drunk as well. So that's no excuse.

 

[ArtsyGirl]

^ he was drunk, what if he slammed into someone else and killed them, they tried to get him to stop, tried, tried, he didnt.

he wanted to be a banger, good, he got banged.

Seeing as they basically dont know any other detail in the whole shooting I'm sure the drunk thing is a bit sketchy also and I'd include the "suspected" gangbanger in that aswell. I'm not saying this kid was innocent, I wasnt thinkin of stealing cars when I was 13, but I'm sure there were other ways of settling this without killing anyone. They get trained for these situations and shooting the suspect dead is the last resort and from the article I've read it seems not all of the steps were taken.