Best army/special forces in world history?

Glockmatic

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#1
Who do you think had the best army/special forces EVER?

My choice is the Mongols. Nomads who united to conquer the largest land empire in history in 80 years, their empire stretched from Korea to East Germany and defeated armies many times larger then their own. In those 80 years all countries who were conquered were changed one way or the other, whether from mass slaughter or new knowledge from the East.
 
#2
Kinda hard to pick just one...however if I were forced to, I'd either pick Genghis Khan or Alexander the Great's armies. If those two were in the same era....phwoaaar whatta fight that would've been!!!
 

The.Menace

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#3
Kinda hard to pick just one
I pick Sparta. there is a story that just a handful, around 200 Spartans did defend a mountain pass against a huge army from Persia until anyone else could escape. They all died, like the law told them to. *they weren't allowed to give up*

I love greek history. :)
 
#4
it's very hard to pick the best army, especially if they are from different eras.

but as far as special units are concerned, I'd say Hannibals war elephants.
Hannibal made them cross North Africa and sSpoain all the way through the pyrenee and the alps to attack Italy from the north.
 

The.Menace

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#5
well after all, only one elephant made it to Italy I think. But still Hannibal was a great warrior. Shit, you can't pick one army, that's too hard!
 
#6
The.Menace said:
well after all, only one elephant made it to Italy I think. But still Hannibal was a great warrior. Shit, you can't pick one army, that's too hard!
more than 35 elephants made it to Italy, and they were enough for him to reach the south of Italy and beat the Romans in Cannae.
His mistake however was to go around Rome without attacking the city which allowed the romans to rebuild an army

more abbout war elephants (from wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_elephant

There were plenty of military purposes for which elephants could be used. As enormous animals, they could carry heavy cargoes and provided a useful means of transport. In battle, war elephants were usually deployed in the centre of the line, where they could be useful to prevent a charge or start one of their own.


During World War I, elephants pulled heavy equipment. This one worked in a munitions yard in Sheffield.An elephant charge could reach about 30 km/h and unlike horse cavalry, could not be easily stopped by an infantry line setting spears. Its power was based on pure force: it would crash into an enemy line, trampling and swinging its tusks. Those men who were not crushed were at least knocked aside or forced back. Moreover, the terror elephants can inspire against an enemy unused to fighting them (such as the Romans) could cause him to break and run just on the charge's momentum alone. Horse cavalry were not safe either, because horses unaccustomed to the smell of elephants panicked easily. Elephants' thick hide make them extremely difficult to kill or neutralize in any way, and their sheer height and mass offered considerable protection for their riders. Unfortunately, they also had tendency to panic themselves: after sustaining moderate wounds or when their driver was killed, they would run amok, indisciminately causing casualties as they sought escape. Their panicked retreat could inflict heavy losses on either side. Experienced Roman infantry often tried to sever their trunks, causing an instant panic, and hopefully causing the elephant to flee back into its own lines.

In the Punic wars, a war elephant was heavily armoured and carried on his back a tower, called a howdah, with a crew of three men: archers and/or men armed with sarissas (a six metre long pike). Forest war elephants, much smaller than their African or Asian relatives, were not strong enough to support a tower and carried only two or three men. There was also the driver, called a mahout and usually Numidian, who was responsible for controlling the animal. The mahout also carried a chisel-blade and a hammer to cut through the spinal cord and kill the animal if the elephant went berserk. Despite these disadvantages, elephants were the ancient world's equivalent of a heavy tank, such as the Second World War Panzer.
 

The.Menace

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#7
Well, but many died as I know. I thought 1 or 13 made it to italy (don't ask me why these two numbers are stuck in my brain) ...never heard about 35 but well, ain't that important.

His mistake however was to go around Rome without attacking the city which allowed the romans to rebuild an army
I don't think it was a mistake, by the sources we have it is told, that he just didn't had the power to attack the city with their walls, at least he didn't believe he had it - and if Hannibal thought so, I think it's the truth...... so I wouldn't say it's his fault, I'd just say Rom was lucky once more.
 
#8
Omg I can't believe you people didn' name Alexander the Great's army.... Dude could've literally conquered the world if he hadn't died so young. He had this one regiment called the Hetairoi a.k.a. the Companions, they were among the most elite.

But for special forces I would have to say the Spartans - the most disciplined and highly trained men.
 
#11
The Roman army. In it's time the most advanced, best equipped and most feared army the world has ever seen. Who doesn't know names like Caeser, Octavian, Pompey, Marcus Aurelius etc.?
 
#12
^^the strength of the roman army was in its organization, mainly its main legion units. Also the ability to adapt against different ennemies.
In the thirs punic war, i know the romans whose navy was not as strong as Carthage developped a way to board ships that turned naval batals into a man to man land combat.
 

Duke

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#13
Very difficult to pick a single best army.

But names that come to mind, as far as efficiency goes, the Roman legions (after the reforms of Marius Gaius), the Mongol hordes, Spartans and i think the german Waffen SS regiments of WW2 should be there too. They were incredibly well-trained and well-equipped (on paper) troops.

But we need to keep in mind that the succes (or failure, in case of the Waffen SS) is due to the leadership. They were good troops in their own right, but it was the correct leadership that made them the fearsome military machines they're now known for.

The Waffen SS didn't quite "make it" to the hall of fame due to poor management (Hitler was basically a raving madman that didn't understand jack of military tactics) and the fact that the Waffen SS was often lacking equipment that they should have on paper. But a full-strength Waffen SS division was a very fearsome, well-equipped, disciplined and able fighting force.
 
#14
Duke said:
Very difficult to pick a single best army.

But names that come to mind, as far as efficiency goes, the Roman legions (after the reforms of Marius Gaius), the Mongol hordes, Spartans and i think the german Waffen SS regiments of WW2 should be there too. They were incredibly well-trained and well-equipped (on paper) troops.

But we need to keep in mind that the succes (or failure, in case of the Waffen SS) is due to the leadership. They were good troops in their own right, but it was the correct leadership that made them the fearsome military machines they're now known for.

The Waffen SS didn't quite "make it" to the hall of fame due to poor management (Hitler was basically a raving madman that didn't understand jack of military tactics) and the fact that the Waffen SS was often lacking equipment that they should have on paper. But a full-strength Waffen SS division was a very fearsome, well-equipped, disciplined and able fighting force.

:thumb: I completely agree. The Waffen SS were possibly the most fearsome fighting force in WWII. Recognition must also be given to the Prussian army after the reforms of von Roon. Defeating two great powers (Austria & France) in the space of four years is no mean feat, not to mention the fact that the Prussia system of leadership is the system all modern armies, from 1870 up to and beyond World War II, were based on.
 
#15
Genghis Khan & his Mongols.

I think robust pretty much sums them up.

I am a fan of a lot of Genghis' beliefs & rules. When you read about them you can see that there are a few which obviously seem out of order in our 'civilised' world but there is also many which are so compassionate & fair that you've got to take your hat of to him - he did care for his people.
 

Glockmatic

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#16
I did a report on the Mongols in high school world history, and they hardly teach what they did other then burn the libraries in the middle east. They teach more of Alexander the Great and how big his empire was but Genghis' empire was MUCH larger. He did barbaric things, like if a town didn't surrender he would slaughter everyone and make a pile of skulls, but if they did surrender he would let them go back to normal living except they had to pay a tax.

I'm gonna pick a special forces too since it seems no one picked one yet. I choose the Russian Spetsnaz, crazy russian special forces with awesome hand to hand combat.
 
#17
what are the famous special forrces anyway?

i know the roman legions
The phoenician war elephants
Alexander's companion cavalry

i have no idea what the russian spetsnaz are
 
#19
Navy Seals ain't shit....just thought I'd mention it...

Oh, Scots regiments were a formidabble cornerstone of Her Majesty's army which helped conquer much of the known world - the British Empire.

Some say I'm biased, I agree....
 

Glockmatic

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#20
Canadian snipers hit a target at a record 2,430 meters in afghanistan while being shot at by taliban :) Don't know if they were in the JTF-2 (joint task force 2, canadian special forces) since the canadian goverment keeps them so secret.
 

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