Auschwitz

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#1
I read in a paper today bout the nazi death camps and the slaughter of 1.5 million men , womam and children in the gas chambers and was realy appauled - ONE POINT FIVE MILLION . I like many of the youth of today realy didnt know a lot about this evil that only happened sixty years ago ( not long a lot in the sands of time !) and am thankfull for the people who fought gave their lives to stop the nazi machine and give us the freedom we have today .
RIP to the poor souls who died in the those EVIL camps .
 
#2
1.5 million was just for Auschwitz, right? You realise that the actual number of dead during the Holocaust is estimated as between 12 and 26 million?
 

Butt Rubber

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#4
Glockmatic said:
* 5.6–6.1 million Jews
* 3.5–6 million Slavic civilians
* 2.5–4 million POWs
* 1–1.5 million political dissidents
* 200 000–800 000 Roma & Sinti
* 200 000–300 000 handicapped
* 10 000–250 000 homosexuals
* 2 000 Jehovah's Witnesses

http://www.world-war-2.info/holocaust/
not to mention all the camp survivors who later killed themselves due to tramatization and depression
 

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#5
Illuminattile said:
1.5 million was just for Auschwitz, right? You realise that the actual number of dead during the Holocaust is estimated as between 12 and 26 million?
Didnt know that - that is absoloutly terrible .
we should never forget this .
i know people say we should forgive and forget but......
i wonder if the survivors and familys do ??
does any one know what the german people are doing to commemerate this awful time in history.
my granddad hated germans its hard to in my opinion condem him for this .
 
#6
Glockmatic said:
* 5.6–6.1 million Jews
* 3.5–6 million Slavic civilians
* 2.5–4 million POWs
* 1–1.5 million political dissidents
* 200 000–800 000 Roma & Sinti
* 200 000–300 000 handicapped
* 10 000–250 000 homosexuals
* 2 000 Jehovah's Witnesses

http://www.world-war-2.info/holocaust/
Do you know if that's the numbers who died or the numbers who were killed? A lot of people in concentration camps died of disease as a result of being in such conditions.
 

The.Menace

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#7
jaimie.uk fan said:
Didnt know that - that is absoloutly terrible .
we should never forget this .
i know people say we should forgive and forget but......
i wonder if the survivors and familys do ??
does any one know what the german people are doing to commemerate this awful time in history.
my granddad hated germans its hard to in my opinion condem him for this .
Never forgive this? Whom you don't want to forgive? The german people in general? The german people of that time? That is so wrong. Not everybody knew about those camps, and not everybody was for those camps. I'm shocked that so many seem not to know about all this stuff (what is school for?) ..... but it's not that easy. go and gather some informations.

does any one know what the german people are doing to commemerate this awful time in history.
They payed alot of money to Jews people, but of course nothing can be repaired right here. But I have an other questions: What does the US do to commererate the crimes they did on indians? Or on Blacks? Or what does Spain does to commererate the crimes they did in South america or England for the crimies they did in Asian?

Every country has a dirty history but everybody wants the germans to pay......I don't want to put down in every way the crimes that happend, I just wonder why noone every things about Indians, blacks,....... Why should only Jews get money? Again, they should get it, but why shouldn't the Indians get something???

BTW: For the first times camps were created by the US to lock down Indians (1883 - trail of tears). The word "concentration camps" came up in 1899, when ENGLAND build camps to lock down Africans and farmers (they wanted their own nation, in fact had one, before England came and just took their land)......

Over all, history is so dirty....so before you blame someone, talk about "not forgivin" someone etc, read and learn.
 

stefanwzyga

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#8
I have family in poland and my mum asked them about the camps and they knew about what was going on but if they said anything they would be shot! my mums auntys house has a railway at the bottom of her garden and the nazi trains used to go past very slowly and my family would steal coal of the trains! my family in poland are catholics so they were ok! my grandad was a polish soldier and escaped from 2 pow camps, he was a plumber to trade so he knew about pipes an stuff like that! then he went on to fight at the famous battle of monti casino! the polish soldiers were in the front line! and towards the end of the battle got hit by shrapnel! got treated for his wounds in the uk and the rest is history! if anyone has not seen shindlers list go and watch it! but be warned its grim!
 

Jokerman

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#9
Illuminattile said:
Do you know if that's the numbers who died or the numbers who were killed? A lot of people in concentration camps died of disease as a result of being in such conditions.
Shouldn't that also be considered as "being killed?"
 

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#10
First of all Mr menace - sorry but maybe you can teach us all being as your so wise . :rolleyes:

What i meant was by using the phrase " forgive and forget " was that it seems that slowly the events of the time are being forgoten and people are confining it to the dephs of history which is wrong , should the familys, victims etc forgive and forget what happened just cause -

" well it was a long time ago , no one like to talk about it these days "
Maybe its because - its not " politicaly correct " as we dont want to upset the germans, as we are all one world etc . who knows ??

But it wasnt a direct attack on german people , more the fact that the events are being lost in the sands of time and the youth of today know nothing about it - prince harry having had the best education in britain at Eaton never knew about it and look at the upbrining he had .
i never was taught about this at school , maybe it was a too horiffic a thing to be taught , and like i said didnt know bout it till i read the article in the paper - im 27 years old so im no kid .

my main point was we should not forget this and it should be taught more in schools and made sure things like this never happen again . sixty years ago is not that long at all and that i could forgive my grandad for the hatred he had.

mr menace the other question bout what the german people are doing to commemorate the aniversary - was becauase im intersested , it was not an aggresive attack .also the fact you said they gave money to jews well thats ok then, maybe the americans should give some money to the indians im sure everthing will be fine .

i didnt start this thread to argue , more to show respect to the victims of this terrible event in time which ashamably i never knew about , maybe mr menace you should do some research yourself and read my original thread , that is of course if you can grace us with your time being the scholar and knowledgable person you so obviously are .
 

Mr.Deuce

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#11
i read some interview of a man who was part of SS.terrible,he was tellin´bout the nazi death camp in ausschwitz..terrible stories
 

stefanwzyga

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#12
Deuce 7 Tha Psycho said:
i read some interview of a man who was part of SS.terrible,he was tellin´bout the nazi death camp in ausschwitz..terrible stories
Ye my mum an dad have been there an like everyone else says they say it has a very eerie feeling about the place!
 
#13
how about the german soldiers? they were humans too right. i mean i bet more than enough fought for false ideals and they either knew it or didn't know it, but regardless they died for nothing good just like every other soldier out there. (German, American, British, etc)
 

The.Menace

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#14
i didnt start this thread to argue , more to show respect to the victims of this terrible event in time which ashamably i never knew about , maybe mr menace you should do some research yourself and read my original thread , that is of course if you can grace us with your time being the scholar and knowledgable person you so obviously are .
Ok. You start a thread and admit that you know nothing about it, so I took some time you tell you about it. Why do you start a thread if you don't want noone to reply? I don't argue, I just tell you what I know. If you don't like it you should start your threads in Thugz mansion, this is where you only get freeposting replies. Here is is WoW so I thought it's the right thing to do to share some facts. I don't know why you have a problem with that but I guess you don't know it yourself so....

Maybe its because - its not " politicaly correct " as we dont want to upset the germans, as we are all one world etc . who knows ??
The germans give money to jews people that lost property etc.... they pay a lot of money, so how could you upset them? They do something about it and you should remember, the ones that pay the bills now are 20,30, 40 years old and have nothing to do with the crimes that happend back then. Still they pay.

All I did point out is that germany seems to be the only country that has to pay for crimes that happend in the past and I think that is funny, cause there is so much dirt in history but noone else feels like they need to do something about their faults in the past....

sixty years ago is not that long at all and that i could forgive my grandad for the hatred he had.
well, I still think to forgive is the right thing to do. It's not like the germans were the only ones commiting crimes. German soldiers were put in camps as well in Russia and it was just as terrible (The difference is of course that the jews people were no soliders but still)..... many died there..... but should we hate Russians for that? even now? No. (Yeah I know it sounds easier then it is, but still I think love is better then hate)


But it wasnt a direct attack on german people , more the fact that the events are being lost in the sands of time and the youth of today know nothing about it - prince harry having had the best education in britain at Eaton never knew about it and look at the upbrining he had .i never was taught about this at school , maybe it was a too horiffic a thing to be taught , and like i said didnt know bout it till i read the article in the paper - im 27 years old so im no kid .
I was taught about all this in school......and I feel like this is what should be done, I think it's terrible if you don't speak about those topics in school. Like I said above, what is school for? what is history class for if you never talk about this time, these events? That's just wrong. So I agree with you.....


how about the german soldiers? they were humans too right. i mean i bet more than enough fought for false ideals and they either knew it or didn't know it, but regardless they died for nothing good just like every other soldier out there. (German, American, British, etc)
Do you think the soldiers could choose if they want to go to war? do you think it was their decision? It wasn't man. If they asked you to go to the army and you didn't you just got killed. That simple. Believe me, most of those people, of those soldiers, didn't fight for no ideals at all......just tried to survive you know.

peace
 

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#15
mr menace - thank you for the facts you shared like i said i dont know much bout this topic however i thought your comment bout go read and learn was a dig at me - maybe thats the problem with writing text it can be mis-read as an insult when it isnt , just like you mis-understood my thread . so i apologise . i also personaly think peace and love is better on this matter and we should definatly not forget , but it is not mine or your place to forgive as we were not directly involved in the events that happened , and thats why i can understand people who cant forgive people like my grandfather, survivours , relitives and the jewish community if they cant forgive either . regardles it was a terrible time in history one which i shall definatly be reading up and learning more on .
 
#16
Jokerman said:
Shouldn't that also be considered as "being killed?"
That's what I'm wondering. I mean, the Nazis didn't deliberately infect them with diseases, but they did cause diseases to spread because of the poor, cramped conditions and whatnot.
 
#18
They also killed everyone they suspected of being a communist, every official in the occuupied communist countries and anyone resisting their rule in german occupied country like France or Belgium...

They slaughtered also many african french(France used to hire soldiers from what was at this time their colonies)soldiers...

Rip to all the victims and I just want to point that the one I mentioned are very often forgotten...
 
#19
When people here post & have very little knowledge of a tragedy which is, aruguably, highlighted more than any other throughout history I am taken aback.

Sure schools should be teaching this stuff but, when does reliance on school for information end & self-teaching begin?

Not to take a dig at anyone but it does seem like people aren't bothered to read & find shit out for themsleves. Especially seeing as we are computer literate persons here & the internet is a very accessible resource.

Once again, not taking a dig at anyone just society.

Now I'm away to slap myself for sounding too much like a Tory.

SNP!
 
#20
CalcuoCuchicheo said:
When people here post & have very little knowledge of a tragedy which is, aruguably, highlighted more than any other throughout history I am taken aback.

Sure schools should be teaching this stuff but, when does reliance on school for information end & self-teaching begin?

Not to take a dig at anyone but it does seem like people aren't bothered to read & find shit out for themsleves. Especially seeing as we are computer literate persons here & the internet is a very accessible resource.

Once again, not taking a dig at anyone just society.

Now I'm away to slap myself for sounding too much like a Tory.

SNP!
That's true, schools can't teach you everything.
 

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