Arsenal Suck
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What I wanna know is, why is nobody calling for Wenger's head? The media were all over United this season and last, saying how Fergie needed to go. Why are they not doing the same for Wenger?
20 points behind the champions at Christmas
8th in the league, behind Wigan
Lost 6 games already, more than they lost all of last season
That's pitiful. Yes, they're still in the Champions League, but we all know they're not going to win it.
20 points behind the champions at Christmas
8th in the league, behind Wigan
Lost 6 games already, more than they lost all of last season
That's pitiful. Yes, they're still in the Champions League, but we all know they're not going to win it.
I think anyonhe calling for Wenger's head would need their's examining. Compared to Fergie and Mourinho he's spent a pittance, the one's he has spent money on such as Henry have been worth every penny or been sold with massive profit (Anelka, Vieira). In fact, the only purchase you'd question was Francis Jeffers. Compare this to Fergie's recent transfer record (Veron - £28million, Ferdinand - way over priced at £30million, Djemba-djemba and Kleberson - just under £10million between them, Bellion, Smith, Saha, all poor, poor buys).
He develops players into the best in their position arguably in the world (Cole, Henry, Vieira) and transformed Arsenal from a above average side into a team that's not finished outside the top 2 since he joined.
I'd personally kick anyones ass who wanted him out, and i don't even support them.
This is purely a transition period for Arsenal, chekc the average age of their first team and trust me when i say they'll be competing for years to come if they keep this team together.
He develops players into the best in their position arguably in the world (Cole, Henry, Vieira) and transformed Arsenal from a above average side into a team that's not finished outside the top 2 since he joined.
I'd personally kick anyones ass who wanted him out, and i don't even support them.
This is purely a transition period for Arsenal, chekc the average age of their first team and trust me when i say they'll be competing for years to come if they keep this team together.
You're basing this on what? He's had nowhere near the success SAF has had, with any of his clubs. He's never won the Champions League, he's never defended the Premiership title.
What good are "tactical acumen" and shrewd buying if your team doesn't win?
Even if the team is "rebuilding", they should be able to beat minnows like WBA. It's not as though his team is full of inexperienced players. If the likes of Pires, Bergkamp and Ljungberg aren't good enough to beat West Brom and Bolton, then why hasn't he replaced them?
And you think Arsenal can compete with these teams? Arsenal who lost twice in the league to United last season? Arsenal who lost twice in the league to Chelsea this season?
Remind me how many times Arsene's managed to beat these "high grade" teams en route to a Champions League final?
No, I'd also question the purchase of Pascal Cygan, who's possibly the worst defender I've ever seen.
Compare this to Fergie's recent transfer record (Veron - £28million, Ferdinand - way over priced at £30million, Djemba-djemba and Kleberson - just under £10million between them, Bellion, Smith, Saha, all poor, poor buys).[/quote]
Veron is a hugely talented player, who failed to adapt to the Premiership (for United or Chelsea). He was still a great player, and performed well in the Champions League.
Ferdinand might have been overpriced, but he's still a World Class centreback.
Louis Saha was a bad signing? 7 goals from 13 says otherwise. Him and RVN were a great partnership at the end of the 2003/2004 season. Don't blame Fergie for the fact that Saha's since become "Mr. Glass" and hasn't been able to play regularly.
Nice of you to name three player who, come September, I wouldn't be surprised to see all wearing different shirts. The fact that his three "big fishes" have been constantly linked with moves away from the club shows you how much of a small pond Arsenal is.
Compare the average age of the United squad that beat Chelsea with the average age of the Arsenal squad that lost 2-0 to them. See the difference? No. That's because they're both about 26. If the young players aren't good enough to be playing, then why are they? Sir Alex fielded a team of youngsters in 1995. You might remember them, they did the Double. They were good enough to be starting, obviously Wenger's aren't.
If you're going to defend him, defend him on his own merits. Tell me why Wenger should keep his job, don't tell me why Ferguson should lose his.
What good are "tactical acumen" and shrewd buying if your team doesn't win?
Even if the team is "rebuilding", they should be able to beat minnows like WBA. It's not as though his team is full of inexperienced players. If the likes of Pires, Bergkamp and Ljungberg aren't good enough to beat West Brom and Bolton, then why hasn't he replaced them?
And you think Arsenal can compete with these teams? Arsenal who lost twice in the league to United last season? Arsenal who lost twice in the league to Chelsea this season?
Remind me how many times Arsene's managed to beat these "high grade" teams en route to a Champions League final?
No, I'd also question the purchase of Pascal Cygan, who's possibly the worst defender I've ever seen.
Compare this to Fergie's recent transfer record (Veron - £28million, Ferdinand - way over priced at £30million, Djemba-djemba and Kleberson - just under £10million between them, Bellion, Smith, Saha, all poor, poor buys).[/quote]
Veron is a hugely talented player, who failed to adapt to the Premiership (for United or Chelsea). He was still a great player, and performed well in the Champions League.
Ferdinand might have been overpriced, but he's still a World Class centreback.
Louis Saha was a bad signing? 7 goals from 13 says otherwise. Him and RVN were a great partnership at the end of the 2003/2004 season. Don't blame Fergie for the fact that Saha's since become "Mr. Glass" and hasn't been able to play regularly.
Nice of you to name three player who, come September, I wouldn't be surprised to see all wearing different shirts. The fact that his three "big fishes" have been constantly linked with moves away from the club shows you how much of a small pond Arsenal is.
Compare the average age of the United squad that beat Chelsea with the average age of the Arsenal squad that lost 2-0 to them. See the difference? No. That's because they're both about 26. If the young players aren't good enough to be playing, then why are they? Sir Alex fielded a team of youngsters in 1995. You might remember them, they did the Double. They were good enough to be starting, obviously Wenger's aren't.
If you're going to defend him, defend him on his own merits. Tell me why Wenger should keep his job, don't tell me why Ferguson should lose his.
For the record, I'd be very happy to see Fergie and Queiroz leave, preferably to be replaced with Le Guen. Unfortunately I can't see Glazer doing it, since he seems to think the fans love Fergie and sacking him would be an unpopular move.
Fergie's already said that he doesn't want Rosicky. An inconsistent, 30+ Paul Scholes is the only attacking midfielder we need.
We shouldn't buy Ballack, but we should buy a Scholes replacement. Rosicky's available, but Fergie hasn't even mentioned him.
Fergie's already said that he doesn't want Rosicky. An inconsistent, 30+ Paul Scholes is the only attacking midfielder we need.
We shouldn't buy Ballack, but we should buy a Scholes replacement. Rosicky's available, but Fergie hasn't even mentioned him.
but would be a good replacement.As they haven't finished outside the top 2 during his reign (as already stated), i don't see how any manager could get fired with that record, it'd be lunacy.
How much did Pascal Cygan cost, under £2million. How often does Wenger play him? Not very, it's called backup.
Your "small pond" comment is actually a compliment to Wenger. He's kept two genuine greats of the game (Henry and Vieira) at the so called small pond for about 7 years, both of them through their prime. Surely this speaks volumes for his man-management.
He's also made the "small pond" arguably the most exciting team to watch in the Premiership without spending vast amounts of money. This has made the waiting list for a season ticket around 5 seasons, something that wasn't there before he arrived.
He's also pretty much single handedly put them in a position to move into the Emirates stadium which is going to bring Arsenal to a new level financially.
I'd suggest YOU need to stop comparing him to Fergie and look at the Arsenal pre-Wenger and post-Wenger and then tell me that he could be fired. Quite simply, it's an absolute joke of a statement. I'd love to hear your argument for why he should be fired, try not to let the fact you support Utd cloud your judgement as in your last post though.
If somehow you read this, do your research and come back s5till believing he should be fired, i'd be intrigued to know who you'd replace him with, what makes you think they'll do a better job and why and also how you'd then stop Henry leaving as a result. And let's leave the speculation and opinions-masquerading as facts (ie, he won't be there anyway) to a minimum, let's deal in straight facts.
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