right. Just because we don't know does not mean a higher being is the answer. Take the Lake Nyos incident in 1986 as an example, 1800 people died and many more animals died in their sleep, if we didn't know that there was a volcanic pocket under the lack and it releases co2 gases people would have said it was an act of god
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yeah that school course is reality aka life.......If you were given the answer 2 everything then what would be the pleasure of learning or going thru trials and tribulations.Life is a learning experience.Were not test subject but we are subjected to test's in life .
I dont know where none believers go i dont have the answers but what i do know that verse from the bible you quoted says nothing about non believers going to hell.
I dont know where none believers go i dont have the answers but what i do know that verse from the bible you quoted says nothing about non believers going to hell.
But how do u know it wasnt?It could have been it may have not.There might have been a bigger reason why those people died but its beyond our understanding.Science neither proves or disproves GOD.Just think if there was a God and he created life and the universe(which is billions of years old) dont you think his knowledge of thing would be much more vast then what we have learned in the last 56 years?
Bereal it kind of funny u quoted Albert E. You know he did believe in a higher power? i wanted to type something up i once read from him but i didnt quite remember it in detail but he believed in a high power basicly because theway the universe inter acts with such order.Like different pieces to a machine .....anyway i google some shit up and please feel free to do the research yourself.....
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Einstein is probably the best known and most highly revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is associated with major revolutions in our thinking about time, gravity, and the conversion of matter to energy (E=mc2). Although never coming to belief in a personal God, he recognized the impossibility of a non-created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "Firmly denying atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in "Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as he once remarked to a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details." Einstein's famous epithet on the "uncertainty principle" was "God does not play dice" - and to him this was a real statement about a God in whom he believed. A famous saying of his was "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
Because it is known that that lake has a high amount of co2 and has released a high amount of co2 before. 1984 another outgassing in a nearby lake killed 37 people, animals and humans all died from co2 poisoning.
With that logic, everything we know could be the work of god. Medicines? God. Combustion? God. Clouds? God. Rain? God. Light? God. Fire? You better believe thats the work of god.
With that logic, everything we know could be the work of god. Medicines? God. Combustion? God. Clouds? God. Rain? God. Light? God. Fire? You better believe thats the work of god.
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
"Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true"
"Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being."
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of "humility." This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning."
"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indocrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws."
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
"A man who is convinced of the truth of his religion is indeed never tolerant, and he is unable to be tolerant. At the least, he is to feel pity for the adherent of another religion but usually it does not stop there. The faithful adherent of a religion will try first of all to convince those that believe in another religion and usually he goes on to hatred if he is not successful. However, hatred leads to persecution when the might of the majority is behind it."
"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."
* * *
Yes, Einstein believed in a creator. He didn't believe in the Christian God or the Jewish God or the Muslim God. He didn't believe in the Bible or the Torah or the Qu'ran.
He believed that someone set everything in motion. Doesn't mean he was right. He felt that what he had discovered about the world was inexplicable without some intelligence behind it. Science has progressed since then, and generally it's shown that intelligent design isn't necessary to explain the Universe. We can't [yet] say for sure that the Universe could have come into existence without a creator, but I think more and more scientists are accepting that it's feasible. If Einstein had been born 20 years ago, knowing what we know now, perhaps he wouldn't have needed to believe in a creator.
"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."
"Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached the conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true"
"Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of nature, and therefore this holds for the actions of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a supernatural Being."
"I have never imputed to Nature a purpose or a goal, or anything that could be understood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of "humility." This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
"The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion. Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning."
"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indocrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws."
"I see only with deep regret that God punishes so many of His children for their numerous stupidities, for which only He Himself can be held responsible; in my opinion, only His nonexistence could excuse Him."
"A man who is convinced of the truth of his religion is indeed never tolerant, and he is unable to be tolerant. At the least, he is to feel pity for the adherent of another religion but usually it does not stop there. The faithful adherent of a religion will try first of all to convince those that believe in another religion and usually he goes on to hatred if he is not successful. However, hatred leads to persecution when the might of the majority is behind it."
"To assume the existence of an unperceivable being ... does not facilitate understanding the orderliness we find in the perceivable world."
"My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."
* * *
Yes, Einstein believed in a creator. He didn't believe in the Christian God or the Jewish God or the Muslim God. He didn't believe in the Bible or the Torah or the Qu'ran.
He believed that someone set everything in motion. Doesn't mean he was right. He felt that what he had discovered about the world was inexplicable without some intelligence behind it. Science has progressed since then, and generally it's shown that intelligent design isn't necessary to explain the Universe. We can't [yet] say for sure that the Universe could have come into existence without a creator, but I think more and more scientists are accepting that it's feasible. If Einstein had been born 20 years ago, knowing what we know now, perhaps he wouldn't have needed to believe in a creator.
Thanks breal needs to take a look at that.
But How can u say that when einstein was ahead of his time?How has science progress 2 a point Where it disprove everything einstein Knew.Im pretty sure he was much more intelligent then even most men today.....but thats besides the fact,and if your saying Einstein was wrong,How do you know that scientist today arent wrong?Perhaps if Einstein Knew everything he knew then and was still alive now. He would even more so believe in a higher power.Whether its The christans,muslims,or jewish God.
How has Science disprove the exsitence of God?Was einstein wrong about the theory of relativity or something.
Also If you had over 5 billion years worth of knowledge do you think Some body who has 20,000 years of knowledge would even come close to comprehending, understanding,thinking,pre thinking,or even planing on your level?
The universe has infinite possibilties and we only know but so much.
Ok, I already reached the point where i think its useless to continue to "debate". Glock told you why they died and you go on and question if it was Gods will or something. Ok, if you want to believe it, just do it. Obviously i cant prove it wasnt Gods will. How could i? Its the same thing Glock mentioned:
One last thing Venemous: Please make one post instead of 4 in a row. Thank you.
One last thing Venemous: Please make one post instead of 4 in a row. Thank you.
I didn't say science had disrproved everything Einstein knew. That has absolutely no bearing on this discussion.
So? He was a great scientist, but that doesn't mean everything he believed in was true. His belief in a creator wasn't because of evidence he had found proving it's existence. If Einstein had believed in Unicorns it wouldn't have made them real.
I don't know who's right or wrong, and neither do you. I was speculating. From infidels;
"Einstein recognized Quantum Theory as the best scientific model for the physical data available. He did not accept claims that the theory was complete, or that probability and randomness were an essential part of nature. He believed that a better, more complete theory would be found, which would have no need for statistical interpretations or randomness.
So far no such better theory has been found, and much evidence suggests that it never will be."
I didn't say science had disproved the existence of God, and I didn't say the theory of relativity is wrong. Where did you get that from?
What?
So? He was a great scientist, but that doesn't mean everything he believed in was true. His belief in a creator wasn't because of evidence he had found proving it's existence. If Einstein had believed in Unicorns it wouldn't have made them real.
I don't know who's right or wrong, and neither do you. I was speculating. From infidels;
"Einstein recognized Quantum Theory as the best scientific model for the physical data available. He did not accept claims that the theory was complete, or that probability and randomness were an essential part of nature. He believed that a better, more complete theory would be found, which would have no need for statistical interpretations or randomness.
So far no such better theory has been found, and much evidence suggests that it never will be."
I didn't say science had disproved the existence of God, and I didn't say the theory of relativity is wrong. Where did you get that from?
What?
I know what glock said.My response was something along the line maybe it was there destiny to die i dont know its beyond my understanding.But what i was basicly saying, Everthing has a reason.There nothing in this universe that happens 4 no reason.Its called cause and effect,every action has a reaction ,From the sub atomic level to our daily lives to the way the universe operates on a bigger scale everything is connected ina flabbergasting way...Maybe it took 1800 people 2 die so that others could live.Just like you cant prove it was Gods will i cant prove it wasnt.I just discern things differently.
And bereal y cant i make more then one post if more then one person is quoting me
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