are black people owed reparations????

[The.Menace]

thats their fault.

it's their fault to suffer for the consequences of slavery. Wow. So if in Vietnam children are dyin because of the use of Agent Orange by the US military during the Vietnam war, is it their fault as well?

Guys, the truth is, the USA doesn't care about reparations. The US quickly orders other nations to pay like germany (it was about jews after all) but the US doesn't pay for their faults. They don't pay reparations for blacks, native americans, not for Vietnam nor for the most recent wars like in Iraq. It might sound harsh but face it.

 

[Duke]

Look, if there would be reperations, who'd be coughing it up? The American government (read: yourself)? The English government? The French government? Every white western European? How about we throw the Australians in the mix too?

Hell, let the whole world pay.


My main objections against giving away bags of money 300 years later:

1.) Who's going to pay?
2.) Who's going to get it?
3.) Will this be continued onto other peoples that are entitled to it?
4.) Personal responsibility
5.) Personal responsibility
6.) Personal responsibility



If my great-great-great-great grandfather enslaved your family and treat them like dogs, then he's an asshole. But it doesn't mean I owe you money 300 years later. That's an easy way out.

The (American) black community is facing problems right now that can not be solved by giving away money and I believe they should look elsewhere for the solution of their problems. Also, will the reperations actually have any kind of impact, the amounts involved would have to be gargantuan, which leads to me argument #1. Who's going to pay for that?

 

[The.Menace]

But why was germany (and other nations) then actually forced (also by US pressure) to pay large amounts to jews families? If we say that slave thing was too long ago, what about Vietnam? People are still dyin right now cause of the things the US military did - wouldn't that be a good reason to help actually???

I agree duke that givin money to the black community like that isn't a solution, but I think - knowin that the situation of black&brown families right now is strongly linked to the slavery - it would be a very good reason for social programs to help the poors, but I say, they just don't really care.

In my opinion the difference is just that the jews community has a very strong influence in america, so they got their money from those nations, blacks don't have that influence, never had it, and so they are overlooked for years and will never ever see shit. And that's the truth right there. It's not about who would deserve or own reparation, it's simply about who has a voice and who doesn't.

 

[Chronic]

thats their fault.

Your dumbest post yet and that's saying a lot.

 

[kingdizzy]

Germany to this day still pays reperations to holocaust survivors .

so then only slavery survivors are owed reparations in that respect. sorry dude, it aint right for me to pay for you when im messycan. i never owned a slave so fuck reparations!

 

[EDouble]

Your dumbest post yet and that's saying a lot.

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I actualy was scrollin and was gonna quote the same post

 

[Duke]

But why was germany (and other nations) then actually forced (also by US pressure) to pay large amounts to jews families? If we say that slave thing was too long ago, what about Vietnam? People are still dyin right now cause of the things the US military did - wouldn't that be a good reason to help actually???

I agree duke that givin money to the black community like that isn't a solution, but I think - knowin that the situation of black&brown families right now is strongly linked to the slavery - it would be a very good reason for social programs to help the poors, but I say, they just don't really care.

In my opinion the difference is just that the jews community has a very strong influence in america, so they got their money from those nations, blacks don't have that influence, never had it, and so they are overlooked for years and will never ever see shit. And that's the truth right there. It's not about who would deserve or own reparation, it's simply about who has a voice and who doesn't.

Social programs: yes. But that should be done regardless of whether their ancestors were enslaved or not.

What you mentioned with the reperations to Jews is one of the reasons, but not the most important one.

 

[thug_life_1]

they're owed shit just as much muslims will in lets say 50 years if not later

 

[Kadafi Son]

I was really surprised to see that the majority of ya'll disagree with reparations just because it was a long time ago or whose gonna pay for it. I'm black myself, but that's not why I'm for reparations. I'm for it because it's just DESERVED AND WAY OVERDUE. I say any other minorities who deserve reparations should be able to get it too. America has been spending billions and billions of dollars on war, and even giving away millions to other countries. If America can do that shit, it shouldn't be that frustrating to pay reparations. Reparations don't even have to be about giving away money. America can fix up the fucked up communities that blacks and other minorites reside in (which are actually the majority population in reality). A lot of good can be done that it might help the troubled societies, which can eventually help everyone else.

I completely agree with VENOMOUS's 1st post and the rest of his. I guess what a lot of ya'll are saying is that I could kill you and your multi-tasked, raped, murdered, injustified, unequal families and leave your babies alive to bring a few more generations in and they won't have shit, cuz I know at that time, everybody would be way too selfish to help them.

I'm not saying this just 4 blacks. This is for everybody who deserves it. The world has money!!! We have the money weapon ammuniton, tanks, rich ass house with 100s of rooms, crusies (I could go on)...

So I think that we should fix home and it can all be a celebration...bitches...

 

[Devious]

i've posted in here earlier saying why i dont think reparations should be paid by the government, but there is another reason, which Duke helped me to think of by asking the question who's going to pay? well the simple answer is you. if the US government was to decide to pay reparations, where do you think that money is going to come from? taxpayers. so essentially any blacks who recieved reparations and also pay taxes will be paying themselves. does that make any sense to you? i truly don't think the US government should be responsible for that. however if blacks want to track down ancestors of slave owners who owned their relatives and try to get reparations that way (which a lot have done) then that is fine, but i dont' think it should fall on today's government to pay for mistakes made by other governments hundreds of years ago

 

[PuffnScruff]

I was really surprised to see that the majority of ya'll disagree with reparations just because it was a long time ago or whose gonna pay for it. I'm black myself, but that's not why I'm for reparations. I'm for it because it's just DESERVED AND WAY OVERDUE. I say any other minorities who deserve reparations should be able to get it too. America has been spending billions and billions of dollars on war, and even giving away millions to other countries. If America can do that shit, it shouldn't be that frustrating to pay reparations. Reparations don't even have to be about giving away money. America can fix up the fucked up communities that blacks and other minorites reside in (which are actually the majority population in reality). A lot of good can be done that it might help the troubled societies, which can eventually help everyone else.

I completely agree with VENOMOUS's 1st post and the rest of his. I guess what a lot of ya'll are saying is that I could kill you and your multi-tasked, raped, murdered, injustified, unequal families and leave your babies alive to bring a few more generations in and they won't have shit, cuz I know at that time, everybody would be way too selfish to help them.

I'm not saying this just 4 blacks. This is for everybody who deserves it. The world has money!!! We have the money weapon ammuniton, tanks, rich ass house with 100s of rooms, crusies (I could go on)...

So I think that we should fix home and it can all be a celebration...bitches...

so who pays the reperations?

and those fucked up communities were not always fucked up. you have too look at who fucked them up in the first place. it wasnt the government.

 

[PuffnScruff]

i've posted in here earlier saying why i dont think reparations should be paid by the government, but there is another reason, which Duke helped me to think of by asking the question who's going to pay? well the simple answer is you. if the US government was to decide to pay reparations, where do you think that money is going to come from? taxpayers. so essentially any blacks who recieved reparations and also pay taxes will be paying themselves. does that make any sense to you? i truly don't think the US government should be responsible for that. however if blacks want to track down ancestors of slave owners who owned their relatives and try to get reparations that way (which a lot have done) then that is fine, but i dont' think it should fall on today's government to pay for mistakes made by other governments hundreds of years ago

exactly, i said the same in post 2. blacks paying their own reperations makes no sense at all

but doing the family tree thing and tracking down their own acestors might not be a bad idea.

 

[Sebastian]

exactly, i said the same in post 2. blacks paying their own reperations makes no sense at all

but doing the family tree thing and tracking down their own acestors might not be a bad idea.

Thats not a good idea at all. What would you say if your great-great-grandfather had slaves and now you would have to pay for the shit he had done? Obviously you would say "Fuck that, im not gonna pay for his faults. Thats not fair".

Everyone who answers the question with "yes" needs to face reality and the truth.

 

[Devious]

also i just want to say, for all the people making comparisons to Germany and how they pay reparations to holocaust survivors, you can't compare what the black people went through with slavery (which obviously was horrible) to the encampment, torture and slaughter of 6 million people, and the horrible trauma endured by survivors while held in these death camps. any comparison is completely baseless in my book

Thats not a good idea at all. What would you say if your great-great-grandfather had slaves and now you would have to pay for the shit he had done? Obviously you would say "Fuck that, im not gonna pay for his faults. Thats not fair".

Everyone who answers the question with "yes" needs to face reality and the truth.

well the family wouldn't have to pay, it would be up to them if they want to pay. but it should be a right of black people to try to seek out these families' ancestors and inquire about it. plenty of black people have done it, and many have been paid by ancestors of their relative's slave owners. it's much more of an acceptable option than forcing the government to pay out of taxpayer's money, in which case, as Puff and i both previously stated, they would just be paying themselves

 

[Devious]

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[Kadafi Son]

so who pays the reperations?

and those fucked up communities were not always fucked up. you have too look at who fucked them up in the first place. it wasnt the government.

Didn't you read my post?! The government got the money to pay the reparations if everything else is.

And your saying that us, blacks or minorities, destroyed our own communties. Mmmm. Could be right, with all the crime statistis rising and shit. But why would we do these things to ourselves? Because us as the lower class are simply heldback. Affirmitive action ain't always in action. My mama and my older sister have been bustin' there ass all their lives and don't have shit to show for. Now I'm not saying crime is OK, but it I'm being heldback from whats deserved to me and my family and always being denied what I need to survive, you better believe, I'm robbin' rich bitches. I ain't gonna sell no drugs but I'ma do whatever I can do so that my peeps can survive, even while there are weathly people bullshit with there money and not doin' shit. I know...

 

[Sebastian]

Acceptable option - yeah, ok.

 

[Devious]

Didn't you read my post?! The government got the money to pay the reparations if everything else is.

And your saying that us, blacks or minorities, destroyed our own communties. Mmmm. Could be right, with all the crime statistis rising and shit. But why would we do these things to ourselves? Because us as the lower class are simply heldback. Affirmitive action ain't always in action. My mama and my older sister have been bustin' there ass all their lives and don't have shit to show for. Now I'm not saying crime is OK, but it I'm being heldback from whats deserved to me and my family and always being denied what I need to survive, you better believe, I'm robbin' rich bitches. I ain't gonna sell no drugs but I'ma do whatever I can do so that my peeps can survive, even while there are weathly people bullshit with there money and not doin' shit. I know...

you're missing the point. the US government has money to do all these other things like support wars and whatnot, but most of that is taxpayer money, so if it was instead used to pay reparations, it comes back to the point that they would basically be paying themselves.

 

[PuffnScruff]

Didn't you read my post?! The government got the money to pay the reparations if everything else is.

And your saying that us, blacks or minorities, destroyed our own communties. Mmmm. Could be right, with all the crime statistis rising and shit. But why would we do these things to ourselves? Because us as the lower class are simply heldback. Affirmitive action ain't always in action. My mama and my older sister have been bustin' there ass all their lives and don't have shit to show for. Now I'm not saying crime is OK, but it I'm being heldback from whats deserved to me and my family and always being denied what I need to survive, you better believe, I'm robbin' rich bitches. I ain't gonna sell no drugs but I'ma do whatever I can do so that my peeps can survive, even while there are weathly people bullshit with there money and not doin' shit. I know...

you do know where the govt gets their money from right?

and i'm sorry blacks arent the only people who struggle and bust their asses and have nothing to show for it. robbing someone will solve nothing. if you want to get ahead in life, have nice things and not have to worry about money then the only solution to that is get an education i.e. go to college. its a fact. this whole hood gangster mentality is not good for anyone especially yourself and really not good for society as a whole.

 

[Kadafi Son]

Damn, ya'll really not gettin' it. The Gov't gets money from our taxes, but I'm sayin' we can use what we got to make better and not a worser situation than we already are in. Ain't nobody really complained when we paid for the wars except the poorer people, cuz we don't the money 4 that.

And I said that "I'm not saying crime is OK". I'm meant I undrestand why it happens.

fuck it...bottom line...Invest In Your Future and Not Yourself. We'll have to pay for taxes regardless, but at least we would know that its actually doing some good to this corrupted world...so how about YA'LL GET THE POINT...