are black people owed reparations????

are black people owed reparations???

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060709/ap_on_re_us/slavery_reparations;_ylt=ArME5XWB9tfdPQgBFk37s6sDW7oF;_ylu=X3oDMTBhZDhxNDFzBHNlYwNtZW5ld3M-



Advocates who say black Americans should be compensated for slavery and its Jim Crow aftermath are quietly chalking up victories and gaining momentum.
Fueled by the work of scholars and lawyers, their campaign has morphed in recent years from a fringe-group rallying cry into sophisticated, mainstream movement. Most recently, a pair of churches apologized for their part in the slave trade, and one is studying ways to repay black church members.
The overall issue is hardly settled, even among black Americans: Some say that focusing on slavery shouldn't be a top priority or that it doesn't make sense to compensate people generations after a historical wrong.
Yet reparations efforts have led a number of cities and states to approve measures that force businesses to publicize their historical ties to slavery. Several reparations court cases are in progress, and international human rights officials are increasingly spotlighting the issue.
"This matter is growing in significance rather than declining," said Charles Ogletree, a Harvard law professor and a leading reparations activist. "It has more vigor and vitality in the 21st The most recent victories for reparations advocates came in June, when the Moravian Church and the Episcopal Church both apologized for owning slaves and promised to battle current racism. The Episcopalians also launched a national, yearslong probe into church slavery links and into whether the church should compensate black members. A white church member, Katrina Browne, also screened a documentary focusing on white culpability at the denomination's national assembly.
The Episcopalians debated slavery and reparations for years before reaching an agreement, said Jayne Oasin, social justice officer for the denomination, who will oversee its work on the issue.
Historically, slavery was an uncomfortable topic for the church. Some Episcopal bishops owned slaves — and the Bible was used to justify the practice, Oasin said.[/FONT]
"Why not (take these steps) 100 years ago?" she said. "Let's talk about the complicity of the Episcopal Church as one of the institutions of this country who, of course, benefited from slavery."
Also in June, a North Carolina commission urged the state government to repay the descendants of victims of a violent 1898 campaign by white supremacists to strip blacks of power in Wilmington, N.C. As many as 60 blacks died, and thousands were driven from the city.[/FONT]
The commission also recommended state-funded programs to support local black businesses and home ownership.
The report came weeks after the Organization of American States requested information from the U.S. government about a 1921 race riot in Tulsa, Okla., in which 1,200 homes were burned and as many as 300 blacks killed. An OAS official said the group might pursue the issue as a violation of international human rights.
The modern reparations movement revived an idea that's been around since emancipation, when black leaders argued that newly freed slaves deserved compensation.
About six years ago, the issue started gaining momentum again. Randall Robinson's "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks," was a best seller; reparations became a central issue at the World Conference on Racism in Durban, South Africa; and California legislators passed the nation's first law forcing insurance companies that do business with the state to disclose their slavery ties. Illinois passed a similar insurance law in 2003, and the next year Iowa legislators began requesting — but not forcing — the same disclosures.
Several cities — including Chicago, Detroit and Oakland — have laws requiring that all businesses make such disclosures.
Reparations opponents insist that no living American should have to pay for a practice that ended more than 140 years ago. Plus, programs such as affirmative action and welfare already have compensated for past injustices, said John H. McWhorter, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute.
"The reparations movement is based on a fallacy that cripples the thinking on race — the fallacy that what ails black America is a cash problem," said McWhorter, who is black. "Giving people money will not solve the problems that we have."
Even so, support is reaching beyond African-Americans and the South.
Katrina Browne, the white Episcopalian filmmaker, is finishing a documentary about her ancestors, the DeWolfs of Bristol, R.I., the biggest slave-trading family in U.S. history. She screened it for Episcopal Church officials at the June convention.
"Traces of the Trade: A Story From the Deep North," details how the economies of the Northeast and the nation as a whole depended on slaves.
"A lot of white people think they know everything there is to know about slavery — we all agree it was wrong and that's enough," Browne said. "But this was the foundation of our country, not some Southern anomaly. We all inherit responsibility."
She says neither whites nor blacks will heal from slavery until formal hearings expose the full history of slavery and its effects — an effort similar to South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission after apartheid collapsed.
 

PuffnScruff

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i say no.

the problem i see with it is who pays? the govt? which boils down to the tax payers. why should myself or any of the millions of tax payers in this country have to pay money for something we had nothign to do with. obviously the govt can not single out the people who are alive today whose ancestors where slave owners. so blacks would be paying their own reparations. as well as people whose ancestors came to this country after slavery was done away with, people whose ancestors were not slave owners, and immigrants

the people that want reparations know they will never get it. the people that try to get it know it has become a stunt more than anything now. they need to move on and stop living in the past.
 

ArtsyGirl

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Avoiding the situation Puff just mentioned there should be some focus on problems that stem from slavery that are still going on today. Also I think having more education into that part of American History could help, I saw a guy say that era in American History was the Best, ever! I dont know the whole issue its so big its hard to say what would be best. But thats my quick thoughts on it.
 

Kareem

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#4
This is somthing I myself have pondered for awhile also, I say the answear is Yes. Why? Well even though not every one of our ancestors were slave owners or traders I see it like this, Germany to this day still pays reperations to holocaust survivors even though not every german had their hands in the ordeal. I think these amends, while definately can not heal the scars an wounds of the past, are long overdue.
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#5
I Remember An Answer On This Qusetion On This Board From A Friend Of Mine A Few Years Back That.. No Don't Think The Reparations Would Be Good But It's Not A Forgive And Forget" Thing Either. There Was So Much Damage You Couldn't Turn It Around Now Besides Working In The Best Way To Keep It Equal And Do Better Than In The Past.

The Tax Payer Thing Is A Good Point Because That Is Where It Would Be Coming From. And Besides The Point I Don't Think People Who Are Now Dead Should Be Debted Whatever The Consequences Were They Got Them As Anyone Deserving. Certain Things Like Affirmative Action When Done Correct Is A Great Way To Stay Moving Forward The Right Direction Imo.

It's Complicated And No Clear Cut Answer I Don't Think Unless You Have Some Sort Of Agenda Youre Pushing
 

marc

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Kareem said:
This is somthing I myself have pondered for awhile also, I say the answear is Yes. Why? Well even though not every one of our ancestors were slave owners or traders I see it like this, Germany to this day still pays reperations to holocaust survivors even though not every german had their hands in the ordeal. I think these amends, while definately can not heal the scars an wounds of the past, are long overdue.
Which is scandalous.

No, there shouldnt be any reperations. Did German soldiers get reperations after being held for up to 10 years in Russian prison/death camps? No. Did Muslims get reperations from Christianity because of the Crusades? No.

There is no thing such as collective guilt! Why should I pay for reparations for victims of the 3rd Reich? My family was decimated because of the regime too. My relatives were blacklisted because they were part of the trade union or democratic parties.
Then why should US Americans pay for slavery? It would only be a valid arguement if there were slaves still alive.
 

AmerikazMost

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Kareem said:
This is somthing I myself have pondered for awhile also, I say the answear is Yes. Why? Well even though not every one of our ancestors were slave owners or traders I see it like this, Germany to this day still pays reperations to holocaust survivors even though not every german had their hands in the ordeal. I think these amends, while definately can not heal the scars an wounds of the past, are long overdue.
The key word here is "survivors." No one today is a survivor of slavery. Slavery happened to their great-great-grandparents, not them.

I say no unless they can prove that it was the direct reason for any wrongs in their own lives, which I dont see how it could be.
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
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AmerikazMost said:
The key word here is "survivors." No one today is a survivor of slavery. Slavery happened to their great-great-grandparents, not them.

I say no unless they can prove that it was the direct reason for any wrongs in their own lives, which I dont see how it could be.
there was documented slavery up until at least the 1930s here in america
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
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AmerikazMost said:
So subtract one "great" from my statement?

Still doesn't make a difference.
no means therere grandparents out there who were born into slavery.
where would u draw the line..? of course there are no young to middle age people that are survivors of slavery but just the same there are the ones that are survivors of a heavy segregated society that offered not much at all for them as human beings just above slavery for legally a 100 years.

but of course with slaveryi guess the reparations would only be appropriate for the young people startin families today, not the older ones who have sparked off a few generations already and many obviously sucumbed in poverty.

maybe there should have BEEN A TRUST FUND SET UP?!

In the end as i said I don't think reparations should be owed and i feel what marc said in his post

pz
 

PuffnScruff

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#16
critikaldesignz said:
first make reparations to native americans :)
in some ways they have been given reparartions. native americans do have reservations, casinos, and some other things.

but hey if the govt wants to give native americans money i'm all for it, i'm part native american. i'll find away to get my check:)
 

Flipmo

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#17
No they shouldn't imo. Every race/people of different culture have been enslaved or been a victim of a certain 'holocaust' at one point.

Greeks were enslaved for 300 years by the Turks.
The Chiniese holocaust at the hands of the Japaniese during WW2.
Turks enslaved Serbians.
The Crusades
etc.
etc.

None of these cultures or races were owed reparations.
 
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Germany to this day still pays reperations to holocaust survivors even though not every german had their hands in the ordeal.
Not every German was guilty, but there are still survivors of the Holocaust who went through it and thus can be compensated. Everytime someone sues your government or it sues someone else, taxpayer money will be spent, even though none of the lawsuits will likely affect you individually. And since it's not possible to determine how your taxpayer money is spent by the government (at least not legally), you wind up paying for plenty of stuff you don't support.

There are no survivors of slavery, so it's not a good analogy.

It would only be a valid arguement if there were slaves still alive.
Exactly.

there was documented slavery up until at least the 1930s here in america
This is news to me. Slavery was constitutionally abolished in 1865.
 
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