Smoking Ban

[Pittsey]

^ do you really think people will quit just cos they can't light up in public?

It will stop the casual smokers who won't be bothered to smoke anymore. Some people only smoke with a drink.

It will also encourage those who always wanted to quit.

Firstly tax on cigarettes brings in £8 billion whereas treatment for smoking related diseases costs £2 billion in the UK. That's a £6 billion deficit which means the we, one of the highest taxed countries already, will be taxed further with the deficit being lumped on alcohol and petrol.

There probably won't be a deficit. It's not illegal to smoke, so only a few people will stop. My point was that the money will even itself out, economy won't be effected.

Secondly, the effects of passive smoking were initially thought to be considerable when Tommy Cooper died but it's known now that that estimation was an overreaction. Passive smoking causes minimal health issues unless you are constantly exposed to it over a large period of time such as if you are a bar worker.

That's true. There isn't any conclusive evidence that second hand smoke kills.
But I'm personally for it, I hate my clothes and bedroom stinking of cigs after a night out.

Overall, i'm not entirely sure what i make of this, it doesn't really bother me personally but from a basic human rights perspective if you want to smoke it should be entirely up to you or the person that owns the premises, it's more looney lefties telling people how they should live, is no-one allowed a vice anymore?

It is up to the person still. But it just means non-smokers don't have to stink or breathe in the smoke. Smoking is a gammy habit. I'm not anti-smoking, but why would anyone want to breathe in smoke, especially when it doesn't get you high. Now if it was the original part of the Tobacco plant that was brought over to England, then maybe I'd be interested.


Maybe the government should start, if they really care about our health, in governing tobacco companies in the chemicals they put in cigarettes.

 

[hizzle?]

I say,don't ban smoking.Designate specific areas for smoking.There everyone will be happy.

Welcome to 15 years ago... Do you think that smoke respects that area lol... If there's 100 ppl smoking in 1/4 of the bar, the other 300 in the other 3/4 of the bar will still smell like shit

 

[Bobby Sands]

We have a smoking ban in operation here in Ireland for the past 2 years.People cant smoke indoors.It has proved very successful.Its great being in a pub and no one blowing smoke into your face.Most pubs have a special smoking area so its all good.

 

[Duke]

Firstly tax on cigarettes brings in £8 billion whereas treatment for smoking related diseases costs £2 billion in the UK. That's a £6 billion deficit which means the we, one of the highest taxed countries already, will be taxed further with the deficit being lumped on alcohol and petrol.

Secondly, the effects of passive smoking were initially thought to be considerable when Tommy Cooper died but it's known now that that estimation was an overreaction. Passive smoking causes minimal health issues unless you are constantly exposed to it over a large period of time such as if you are a bar worker.

On the other hand, i'm one of those people who enjoys a cig with a pint but now i'll have to cut that out so i believe it WILL stop those casual smokers from buying a pack of 20 a week but it's not going to stop the hardcore from doing so.

Overall, i'm not entirely sure what i make of this, it doesn't really bother me personally but from a basic human rights perspective if you want to smoke it should be entirely up to you or the person that owns the premises, it's more looney lefties telling people how they should live, is no-one allowed a vice anymore?

The main thing which i hope comes out of this is that they bring cannabis laws in line with cigarette laws meaning that it won't be illegal so long as it's done on your own property. I personally reckon this is where it's heading.

Good drop. :thumb:

 

[radkin]

I'm all for this, just like everyones been saying I hate smelling like shit after a night out.

I also think that it will make a significant amount of people quit, my sister just spent 6 months in australia and apparently you cant smoke in most of the clubs and bars there, so she has actually given up smoking completely now.

 

[k69atie]

Welcome to 15 years ago... Do you think that smoke respects that area lol... If there's 100 ppl smoking in 1/4 of the bar, the other 300 in the other 3/4 of the bar will still smell like shit

not if there is proper ventilation in bars/club's that doesn't happen.


i think it should be up to the pub/club to decide if they want to be a smoking or no smoking premises. that way if it is a smoking place they have a sign outside saying please note this is a smoking pub/club and if they decide they don't want to let people smoke the should be a sign outside those saying please note this is a no smoking pub/club, if you are seen smoking on this premises you will be asked to leave and will be fined.

 

[Illuminattile]

i think it should be up to the pub/club to decide if they want to be a smoking or no smoking premises. that way if it is a smoking place they have a sign outside saying please note this is a smoking pub/club and if they decide they don't want to let people smoke the should be a sign outside those saying please note this is a no smoking pub/club, if you are seen smoking on this premises you will be asked to leave and will be fined.

Like someone said before, no pub/club owner is going to risk losing business by banning smokers. That's why the government has to legislate it, because it wouldn't work if it was voluntary.

 

[k69atie]

yeah that is a good point. do you not think many pubs would ban it if it was voluntary?

 

[Devious]

yeah that is a good point. do you not think many pubs would ban it if it was voluntary?

No i guarantee you most bars/pubs would not ban it if it was not mandatory. Over here in Winnipeg, after they banned smoking in public places, a lot of bars and small restaurants went out of business cuz the majority of their customers were smokers. I have to say that i think they should put in a law that says if you want to be a smoking allowed establishment you must put in a ventilation system to keep the smoke out of the restaurant. They were initially gonna do that here, but then they went with the all out ban instead, which i thought was unfair.

 

[k69atie]

^ that is actually a good idea (the ventilation part)

 

[Pittsey]

Ventilation systems don't work very well.

If you ever fly from Heathrow airport, go to the smoking areas in the terminals, the smoke just oozes from them, not matter how high the extract is running.

 

[k69atie]

^^ but in vegas in the cassions people smoke everywhere but you can never smell smoke

 

[Jibster]

^^ but in vegas in the cassions people smoke everywhere but you can never smell smoke

That's cos they pump oxygen in to keep you awake and gambling! Probably too costly for relatively small businesses.

 

[k69atie]

^ mm good point :thumb:

 

[Jacob]

The people being hurt are the owners of dive bars. You know, those run-down establishments in the worst parts of town that serve cheap beer and the best damn burgers in town. Those places for whom 80% of the customers smoke. The places that you absolutely stay away from if you're worried about health or foul odors. Forcing them to put in a ventilation system would be too much for the owner to handle -- he's barely getting by as is. Banning smoking would put the poor guy out of business as well, because customers like me (and these places cater to customers like me) would stop going to these places.

In this case, I have a major problem with one-size-fits-all legislation because there is a world of difference between the well-maintianed, high-traffic bars that you guys are going to for "a night out" and the bars that you find in lower-class areas.