Iraq - what now?

[Amara]

Should coalition forces quit what seems an impossible task? Is that better or worse for Iraqis? Would that mean all the people that have died have done so in vain? Or is it better to get potentially vulnerable soldiers out of there?

I dont even know anymore. I didnt agree that they should be there in the first place, yet nevertheless I dont think it can be left in the shambles that it is in. Then again, that is the result of many factors which the coalition forces may or may not have contributed to - the current state of affairs has brought the tensions to the surface though.

Any thoughts or comments on the findings of the Study Group?

 

[Sebastian]

Honestly, it doesnt matter how they will decide. Every choice is the wrong one. You cant make it right.

 

[Amara]

Honestly, it doesnt matter how they will decide. Every choice is the wrong one. You cant make it right.

It doesnt matter?! Actually I think this decision matters most. Nothing can make the decision to go to war right but the situation can be bettered... the question is how. Cant just ignore it.

 

[Sebastian]

You say the situation can be bettered.....without knowing how? Thats weird. I mean, at first i would have to know the certain way for a solution and then i could say "yeah, the situation can be bettered....this and that way". No?

 

[Amara]

You say the situation can be bettered.....without knowing how? Thats weird. I mean, at first i would have to know the certain way for a solution and then i could say "yeah, the situation can be bettered....this and that way". No?

Well no person has to live in a warzone. It is a fact then that the situation can be bettered.

 

[Kareem]

Its a tuff question Amara, the problem is coalition forces can not withdraw now, namely American forces. I don't agree with the war either but I agree that withdrawing now would be devastating and send the wrong message. If we started withdrawing tomorrow, I wouldn't give the Iraqi government 30 days before it was toppled and replaced by someone worse then Saddam Hussein.

I think it will take at least 10 years before the Iraqi military will be able to quell the violence on their own. Its a hard question to answer
but I believe the only solution is too stay until the current government an military is strong enough to handle all domestic issues on their own. Peace

 

[PELLA]

get the fuck outta there!

 

[critikaldesignz]

you can't win in this war

 

[S O F I]

I think the US should retreat as soon as Iraq's enforcement is able to uphold the law relatively successfuly. Pulling out right now will just make things worse.

 

[Fataldawg]

Its a tuff question Amara, the problem is coalition forces can not withdraw now, namely American forces. I don't agree with the war either but I agree that withdrawing now would be devastating and send the wrong message. If we started withdrawing tomorrow, I wouldn't give the Iraqi government 30 days before it was toppled and replaced by someone worse then Saddam Hussein.

I think it will take at least 10 years before the Iraqi military will be able to quell the violence on their own. Its a hard question to answer
but I believe the only solution is too stay until the current government an military is strong enough to handle all domestic issues on their own. Peace

I agree with ya :thumb:

 

[Jokerman]

We must extract ourselves in an appropriate withdrawal. Right now American lives and resources are being thrown over a cliff onto some macabre ritual burial. The idea that if we stay longer we will somehow prevent this from escalading and be able to turn it around is not possible. We cannot stop what is inevitable. And what is inevitable is a bloodbath.

Because take back the face of this fraud we call the democratically elected government, and all you have are a group of highly radicalized, Islamic fundamentalistic religious leaders with massive individual armies that control everything. Our presence there is not one of causing reconciliation, forgiveness, and transformation. Ours is one of trying to keep three separate groups from fighting each other to the death. And they have been in this fight for over 1600 years.

We cannot moderate blood feuds indefinitely that are not going to be resolved militarily yet could be politically if we turn the Middle East back to Middle Easterns and get our stupid form of democracy out of there.

 

[Morris]

^ Exactly. The Iraqi government has to start being held accountable for the sectarian violence, or its refusal to do anything about it. The fact is that since the bombing of that mosque early in 2006, a large majority of violence is the two sects perpetrating civil war. American forces have little to do with that.

No matter what we do, it better not involve talking to Iran and Syria. The last thing we need to do is appease them.