Flirty women are blamed for rape?

[k69atie]

More than a third of people believe flirtatious women are partly responsible for being raped, a survey has found.

The poll of 1,000 men and women also found more than 25% believe victims are partly to blame if they have worn revealing clothing or been drunk.

Amnesty International UK, which commissioned the survey, said the findings were "truly shocking" and showed the Government's policies on tackling rape were failing.

A spokesman said the findings should act as a "wake-up call".

"The poll also reveals the scale of public ignorance of the unacceptably high number of women raped every year in the UK," she said.

Jenny Watson, acting chairwoman of the Equal Opportunities Commission, said: "There still seems to be an assumption that women are sexually available, so if a woman has gone out to have a good time, then she must want to have sex."

Sheila Coates, the director of South Essex Rape and Incest Crisis Centre, said victims - who often blame themselves - are reflecting the blame they can face from society.

She said: "Most women who contact us will say, 'This was my own fault'.

"That's the mirror of what goes on in a court case. While we have juries who are uninformed, we're going to have rapists set free to do it again and again."

The Home Office said it has changed the law to try to improve conviction rates.

"We have made a number of changes to the legal system and to how the police and Crown Prosecution Service work, to put victims' needs first and to make it easier for cases to get to trial and secure convictions," a spokesman said.


What do you think? Do you agree or disagree?

 

[Chronic]

Well it's not like they deserve to get raped because they flirt but flirting does provoke people.
There's girls that dress a certain way simply so they can satisfy their need for attention. They purposely tease men but they only want enough attention to satisfy their ego.

So I'd have to agree that in some cases the women are partly to blame (but by no means do I condone rape) because they purposely put themselves in a situation where they get a man horny with no intention of doing anything more than teasing.

If you provoke someone enough they may react.

 

[TheCat]

the notes were a valid point, but i still disagree.

men can flirt all they want and dress all they want, so women should have that same freedom too, in the end of the day NO means NO!

what i do dispise is women who shout RAPE to get revenge on a man, thats absolutely sick to the victims of rape and the men, because its a label you cant shake off easy.

 

[Chronic]

men can flirt all they want and dress all they want, so women should have that same freedom too, in the end of the day NO means NO!

I agree but people know that there are rapists. There shouldn't be but there are so you act accordingly.
It's like leaving money unattended in a public place. People shouldn't steal it but it happens so if you leave it unattended you're partly to blame.

To clarify, I only think it's partly the woman's fault for putting herself in that possible situation, not for the rape itself.

 

[rac6242]

No means no, but it's conceivable how a victim could bring it upon herself (whether she means to or not).

 

[k69atie]

I agree but people know that there are rapists. There shouldn't be but there are so you act accordingly.
It's like leaving money unattended in a public place. People shouldn't steal it but it happens so if you leave it unattended you're partly to blame.

To clarify, I only think it's partly the woman's fault for putting herself in that possible situation, not for the rape itself.

I agree with you.

Also you hear all the time about 1 woman going back to a hotel room with 2 or 3 more footballers (or even normal people) it is quite obvious what she is going back to the room for and it isn't a cup of coffee, i am not saying that it is her fault it is just very naive.

 

[PuffnScruff]

i've had a lot of friends and even some family members who have been raped. i personally think all rapist should be shot in the head. but i agree with chronic. some girls are provoking it.

for example. i use to work with this girl who is just seriously a slut. the girl was guy crazy. thats cool. but she flirts so much that i dont think she knows when to stop. she would cross the line with so many guys at work by feeling them up and grabbing their ass. she would have sex with any guy that gave her the time of day. i gave her the time of day twice.

this past summer i heard she had been raped. i didnt work there anymore at the time but knew a guy who had a girlfriend who did and he would always talk about her and how crazy she is. she went around the store telling everyone she was raped, and after that everyone told her to report it she said no that she wasnt going to report anything. why would you not report it if you were raped?

when i heard this right away i couldnt help but laugh. i shouldnt but i knew how she was. she loved attention. no matter who from or from were.

a few months later a friend of mine asked me if i knew her. i said i did and asked why. he mentioned that 4 of his friends and her went bowling the night before and was telling me how all the guys he was with were just all over her. i mean feeling up her legs, upper body, cooch , etc. again i was not suprised. when i told him about how she claimed to be raped he said that he could believe after what he saw the night before.

(if this didnt make any sense its because i;m running on 2 hours of sleep)

 

[ChrisZimbo]

she would have sex with any guy that gave her the time of day. i gave her the time of day twice.

lmao

 

[Sebastian]

she would have sex with any guy that gave her the time of day. i gave her the time of day twice.

wow, you portrayed her like the dirtiest slut and then you mention you had sex with her twice.lol

 

[S O F I]

Great, works for me.

 

[PuffnScruff]

wow, you portrayed her like the dirtiest slut and then you mention you had sex with her twice.lol

she had only been with 2 dudes before me,well at least that i know of

 

[Illuminattile]

Reminds me of when we studied Freud in psychology class.

Rape, by its very definition, is forced, non-consentual sex. It doesn't matter whether you're wearing your birthday suit or whether you're wearing a potato sack. You can't say "Well she was wearing a short skirt so I assumed she wanted to be dragged into a dark alley and raped against her will". I suppose it's an example of just-world phenomenon; people don't like the idea of innocent people being raped, so they hold onto the idea that "people get what they deserve".

 

[Duke]

Agree with the Chronics and PuffnScruffs here. Good analogy on the leaving money in an unattended place. It's still wrong to steal it but don't be surprised when it gets ripped.


People in general have to be careful with what kinds of "signals" they emit.

Reminds me of when we studied Freud in psychology class.

Rape, by its very definition, is forced, non-consentual sex. It doesn't matter whether you're wearing your birthday suit or whether you're wearing a potato sack. You can't say "Well she was wearing a short skirt so I assumed she wanted to be dragged into a dark alley and raped against her will". I suppose it's an example of just-world phenomenon; people don't like the idea of innocent people being raped, so they hold onto the idea that "people get what they deserve".

I don't think the article was meant as a justification, more as a rationalization. I mean, rape is wrong, we all agree on that. But provocation plays an undeniable part in some cases. And in those cases, some responsibility lies with the victim as well.

 

[devils_advok8]

katie is scared.

 

[Illuminattile]

Agree with the Chronics and PuffnScruffs here. Good analogy on the leaving money in an unattended place. It's still wrong to steal it but don't be surprised when it gets ripped.

Apples and oranges. What you're talking about is opportunity theft. That's world's away from rape.

Women should be allowed to dress however they feel, within the law. It's like telling someone to dress scruffy to dissuade muggers, or telling someone to drive a beat-up car to avoid it getting stolen. Regardless of what the woman is wearing, the rapist is the one who makes the decision to rape her. You think that if everyone started dressing like a nun that rape would cease to happen?

Not to mention the fact that how someone dresses or acts is entirely subjective.

 

[_carmi]

well i do believe that its partly the girl's fault. she didnt want to get raped thats for sure, but she provoked the situation even if she didnt want it.

 

[Chronic]

Apples and oranges. What you're talking about is opportunity theft. That's world's away from rape.

Women should be allowed to dress however they feel, within the law. It's like telling someone to dress scruffy to dissuade muggers, or telling someone to drive a beat-up car to avoid it getting stolen. Regardless of what the woman is wearing, the rapist is the one who makes the decision to rape her. You think that if everyone started dressing like a nun that rape would cease to happen?

Not to mention the fact that how someone dresses or acts is entirely subjective.

I agree with what you're saying but the main point of the thread is flirting, not the way someone dresses.
Also dressing scruffy to dissuade muggers and not dressing slutty are too different things. Not dressing like a slut doesn't mean you have to dress like a nun.
Simply owning an expensive car doesn't make for a good analogy. You'd have to flaunt that you have an expensive car. And if you went around bragging bout your expensive car...
It's people's right to brag but there are possible repercussions.

I think most people in this thread have in mind the type of woman that dresses and acts a certain way in order to arouse men so she can satisfy her need for attention or simply because she likes to tease people. The type of woman that provokes men in order to get a reaction. Rape may not be the reaction she wants but it's a reaction that is known to occur.
(There's different kinds of flirting, I'm talking about pure and simple dickteasing).

PS: If the rapist was to say it was partly her fault that he raped her, I'd disagree with him 100%. Like you said, ultimately he's the one that decides to rape her.

 

[C.R.Y.]

Apples and oranges. What you're talking about is opportunity theft. That's world's away from rape.

Women should be allowed to dress however they feel, within the law. It's like telling someone to dress scruffy to dissuade muggers, or telling someone to drive a beat-up car to avoid it getting stolen. Regardless of what the woman is wearing, the rapist is the one who makes the decision to rape her. You think that if everyone started dressing like a nun that rape would cease to happen?

Not to mention the fact that how someone dresses or acts is entirely subjective.

youre right, women should be able to wear what they want. but the point is if youre flirty and dress slutty, its tempting the rapist even more.youre analogy with the car was good. if youre getting an expensive car, chances are it will be stolen. the same way if you flirt and dress slutty, theres a higher chance of being raped.

 

[Duke]

Apples and oranges. What you're talking about is opportunity theft. That's world's away from rape.

Women should be allowed to dress however they feel, within the law. It's like telling someone to dress scruffy to dissuade muggers, or telling someone to drive a beat-up car to avoid it getting stolen. Regardless of what the woman is wearing, the rapist is the one who makes the decision to rape her. You think that if everyone started dressing like a nun that rape would cease to happen?

Not to mention the fact that how someone dresses or acts is entirely subjective.

No i didn't say that. Chron and C.R.Y. made my point clear.

 

[Illuminattile]

youre right, women should be able to wear what they want. but the point is if youre flirty and dress slutty, its tempting the rapist even more.youre analogy with the car was good. if youre getting an expensive car, chances are it will be stolen. the same way if you flirt and dress slutty, theres a higher chance of being raped.

Yes, women who dress provocatively and act flirtatiously might be more suscepible to rape, but - like the guy who goes out and buys a flash car - you can't blame them if they do get raped. We all do things that might make us more susceptible to crime, it doesn't mean we were "asking for it".