China, Tibet and the Olympic Games

[Glockmatic]

Glockmatic, you are throwing around the term "nationalism" carelessly in this discussion.

How? Tibet loses more than it gains if it becomes independent. Tibet's budget is 90% paid for by the Chinese government and the Tibetan people are exempt from paying taxes to Beijing, yet it the poorest regions in China. They have no economy. They don't have enough arable land to export food and have no industry. If we use logic here, would a independent Tibet be able to support itself? This isn't like the British leaving India because India had a thriving economy before it was invaded, this would be like the Imperial powers leaving Africa

 

[S O F I]

How? Tibet loses more than it gains if it becomes independent. Tibet's budget is 90% paid for by the Chinese government and the Tibetan people are exempt from paying taxes to Beijing, yet it the poorest regions in China. They have no economy. They don't have enough arable land to export food and have no industry. If we use logic here, would a independent Tibet be able to support itself? This isn't like the British leaving India because India had a thriving economy before it was invaded, this would be like the Imperial powers leaving Africa

Throughout this thread, you've constantly implied that nationalism is some sort of negative, foolish idealism. There's nothing wrong with loving your people, loving your country, and self-determination.

I'm not familiar with effects of Tibet proclaiming independence on their people, but I assume if so many want it, they also thought about how they'd sustain themselves.

In your westernized mind, money overrides nationalism. It doesn't matter if you're somebody's bitch or if you're oppressed, as long as you have a sustainable economy, it's all gravy. Well, it's not the same for everybody. For some, pride and nationalism and integrity override that.

 

[Glockmatic]

Throughout this thread, you've constantly implied that nationalism is some sort of negative, foolish idealism. There's nothing wrong with loving your people, loving your country, and self-determination.

Nationalism is a part of everyone in this century. The only reason that I don't want Canada to join a North American Union (which doesn't even exist or in any talks) is because I want Canada to be seperate from the US. Logic says "Ya! A better economy with the US!" but my nationalism overrides that. It's something unexplainable for some reason but it happens. Difference between Canada and Tibet is that Canada is a good economy, Tibet does not.

I'm not familiar with effects of Tibet proclaiming independence on their people, but I assume if so many want it, they also thought about how they'd sustain themselves.

In your westernized mind, money overrides nationalism. It doesn't matter if you're somebody's bitch or if you're oppressed, as long as you have a sustainable economy, it's all gravy. Well, it's not the same for everybody. For some, pride and nationalism and integrity override that.

Money sustains countries more than pride. Being poor leads to corruption, we can see examples of that in Africa. Africans are proud people, but if there is no economy there is no education, no health care, no infrastructure, no water and no food. You cannot have a sustainable, democratic country without those.

 

[AmerikazMost]

Throughout this thread, you've constantly implied that nationalism is some sort of negative, foolish idealism. There's nothing wrong with loving your people, loving your country, and self-determination.

I'm not familiar with effects of Tibet proclaiming independence on their people, but I assume if so many want it, they also thought about how they'd sustain themselves.

In your westernized mind, money overrides nationalism. It doesn't matter if you're somebody's bitch or if you're oppressed, as long as you have a sustainable economy, it's all gravy. Well, it's not the same for everybody. For some, pride and nationalism and integrity override that.

Nationalism can be a cancer to peace and stability--and it often is. You're Serbian, you should know that.

 

[S O F I]

Nationalism can be a cancer to peace and stability--and it often is. You're Serbian, you should know that.

Yes. However, if other ethnic groups and countries maintained stability, our nationalism wouldn't disrupt peace and stability.

Nationalism is an easy scapegoat for most of the world's problems in the 21st century. But, like I said, it's a scapegoat.


The dog is peaceful until you take away his bone, or mess with his territory.

 

[masta247]

our nationalism was always good

 

[hizzle?]

Sofi, there's a difference between nationalism and patriotism... what you described here :

There's nothing wrong with loving your people, loving your country, and self-determination.

was mostly patriotism... Nationalism is when you love your country and you demonstrate it by hating other countries... Kind of like ex-Yugos...

 

[S O F I]

Sofi, there's a difference between nationalism and patriotism... what you described here :

was mostly patriotism... Nationalism is when you love your country and you demonstrate it by hating other countries... Kind of like ex-Yugos...

Nationalism is not the same as the translated word in our language, nacionalizam. If you're a nacionalista, you 'hate" other ethnic groups. It is not the same for nationalism. If you're a nationalist, you believe that your nation-state should only be composed of one ethnic group. But, it doesn't mean you "hate" every other group.

But, yes, I did describe patriotism somewhat. They go hand in hand, though.

 

[hizzle?]

In french, it has the same meaning as in Bosnian/Serbian, so I thought since French and English are the same thingy...