American hate...

[makadon]

George Bush senior should of taken Iraq during desert Storm. If he hadn't of failed in doing so, when we had the chance with the whole world backing us at the time, then we wouldn't be there now finishing the unfinished business. Does anyone else here feel that way. I feel that Jr Bush is cleaning up after his father. That is what this was is really all about and he lied to the american public and got us back into the same war all over again. It feels like desert storm never ended and this is just part 2.

 

[AmerikazMost]

All you Americans need to pull your heads out of asses. Stop being ignorant. "Oh, well what our government does isn't necessarily what everyone wants, so they don't represent everyone, which means that it's the government you should blame and not the country itself." FUCK OFF. Sorry about the language, but this is worse than the idiot in my Environmental class who said that you make steel from coal. This is the government that America's forefather's chose - a representative democracy. Now this government is chosen by the majority of voters (if you can't the the time out of your busy life to vote for the men who will decide the policies that will affect every aspect of your life, then you shouldn't be considered a citizen, so I don't care what the non-voters think), and this government is what makes, interprets, and enforces the laws and policies of the country. Thus, the government IS the country. I don't care if we had a direct democracy and everyone voted on everything (which would never happen, because Americans only like to bitch about the cost of things like gas and college tuition and not actually do anything about it), the whole population still wouldn't be represented. It's impossible! No one will ever agree on everything.

The fact is that right now America is Bush and his administration, and that's why I have no pride at the moment. How can I be proud of this?

 

[MX Red]

than mx sed he agreed and i didnt kno wtf to think

lol, i misread it bro - oops!
peace
MX!

 

[Zero Cool]

These car-bombings you speak of were non existent prior to the invasion of iraq, so if there is anyone to blame for such attacks its your own blood thirsty troops or the people who ordered them to go in there.

This argument is nonsensical. Murder is murder, terrorism is terrorism. A large number of the "insurgents" are ex-Baathists who lost power and influence after Saddam's toppling. These people pose under a guise of wanting to free Iraq from occupation when in reality they want another Iran implanted in the region.

No the U.S went in there to remove an enemy that posed a major threat to Israel, so are Syria and Iran which are constantly being threatened by the U.S on a daily bases.. since 1991 Iraq under Saddam Hussein did not pose a threat to the United States, but it did to Israel, which is why the u.s invaded the Arab country. The bush administration has made that publicly clear to everyone on many occasions.

A major threat to Israel? The propaganda wheel begins again. Saddam's regime was a threat to everyone, especially his own people. That Saddam is gone and democracy is being fostered can only be a good thing.

Lastly, tell me, when has the Bush administration ever said or even insinuated that it invaded Iraq to help out Israeli interests?

 

[The.Menace]

Please be quiet about us supporting our troops and not supporting the war. I dont agree with the reasons of the war, frankly i want all our troops out of their and so forth. But since i have friends and family in Iraq right now and i wish for their safe return and hope that none get injured that is wrong? You can't be serious.

supporting the troops is a bullshit propaganda argument. Please sit down and tell me WHAT YOU DO TO SUPPORT THE TROOPS. Nothing, all you do is talkin about it on a msg board. Is that support? no. Can you support the troops? No, not really. But still anyone makes himself feel better cause he is supportin the troops......tzzzzzz........

This argument is nonsensical. Murder is murder, terrorism is terrorism.

No, it's not. It always depens on the point of view, Americans just always believe their point of view is the right one. Murder ain't murder. There is murder and there is self defence, in the end, there's a dead body lyin somewhere but it ain't the same. If you go to jail for murder or are a free man after the trial depens on the judge. One might send you to jail, the other might not. So. It's all about the point of view. period.

 

[makadon]

These car bombs on the whole have a minimal effect on foreign troops. If you place a car bomb outside a Shia mosque before Friday prayers however can you honestly tell me that that's a legitimate act of resistance? These terrorists have little regard for human freedom or the good of Iraq. They want a Talibanesque regime where they can extort, terrorize and rule for their own gain. It's no coincidence that axis states like Iran and Syria are helping to fund the "insurgency".

Secondly this "imperialist agent" bullshit needs to stop, now. We're not living in 1850. The U.S. is there to implant democracy in the region and create a suitable climate for prosperity which is good for both sides. The aim is not to make Iraq British India. To try and compare the U.S. invasion of Iraq to an imperial expansion policy (although often done) is wholly misguided.

but thats not why were in Iraq... you are just shifting the Rationale for going to war because we were lied to. the mess we are in is because of the Pottery Barn Rule was broken.

 

[Morris]

since 1991 Iraq under Saddam Hussein did not pose a threat to the United States, but it did to Israel, which is why the u.s invaded the Arab country. The bush administration has made that publicly clear to everyone on many occasions.

Hussein posed a serious threat to the stability of OPEC when he invaded Kuwait. Hussein did not pose a serious threat to Israel, as it lobbed a number of bombs into Israel proper during the Gulf War. In fact, the United States had to intervene to keep Israel from retaliating.

Also, the United States did not invade Iraq during the Gulf War. It stationed troops in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

 

[Prophet G]

this debate is gettn old, the hole damn world knows why we invaded iraq. and all the retards who are fightn in iraq, i feel sorry for. cause there dying for no cause or reason. the reason why bush won this term in reply to someone's comment on 1st page.. is becuz all the ppl who voted for him was mostly from the south & midwest. as if it's become the union vs the confeds.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

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Iraq isn't the sole - never mind the main - point of this thread.

Read the first post, it was merely an example.

 

[M.C.Chillz]

Most of the world doesnt like America becuase of our foreign policy. And all this bullshit about supporting the troops is exactly that, bullshit. I had a brother that went to Iraq and he came home safely and I thank God for that, but there are a lot of troops out there doing shit to people that is just not right. Look at the pictures from the prison in Abu-Ghraib. That is the reason why Americans are hated. Now people need to put themselves in the shoes of the Iraqi people, or any people that have been invaded, and tell me what would you do if you heard of these things happening to your own people, then you see a group of soldiers walking down the streets of your hood. Would you cooperate or pick up arms? I would fight and not wait to see if the troops are friendly or hostile.

 

[Silleone]

Most of the world doesnt like America becuase of our foreign policy. And all this bullshit about supporting the troops is exactly that, bullshit. I had a brother that went to Iraq and he came home safely and I thank God for that, but there are a lot of troops out there doing shit to people that is just not right. Look at the pictures from the prison in Abu-Ghraib. That is the reason why Americans are hated. Now people need to put themselves in the shoes of the Iraqi people, or any people that have been invaded, and tell me what would you do if you heard of these things happening to your own people, then you see a group of soldiers walking down the streets of your hood. Would you cooperate or pick up arms? I would fight and not wait to see if the troops are friendly or hostile.

*waits for a pro American guy to come and say "i would cooperate with the troops becuz there fighting for my freedom"*

 

[AmerikazMost]

*waits for a pro American guy to come and say "i would cooperate with the troops becuz there fighting for my freedom"*

Yeah, I don't understand how they're fighting for our freedom. Saddam posed no threat to us. And he and bin Laden weren't exactly buddy-buddy, so the harboring argument doesn't work either.

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

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That's an understatement.

Saddam disgusted Osama.

 

[Nut]

Fuck America, now that's game !!

 

[CalcuoCuchicheo]

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Replace the '-me' with 'y'.



j/k.