Al-Zarqawi group claims Jordan terror blasts

[devils_advok8]

Yeah, Abu-Mussab is dumb enough to have 60% of the Jordanian population who thought of Al-Qaeda as a legitimate resistance group turn against him.

 

[Khaled]

^^ i don't think we should look further than al quaeda.

I guess the jordanian's support was useless to them, so it doesn't stand in te way. After all, Jordan is known in the Arab World as nothing but Israel's buffer zone.

Also, you guys should understand how this works by now.
These attacks will have one of two outcomes.

1- Jordan will be less inclined to deal with the states and Israel, and would rather stay out of the conflict (unlikely)

2- Jordan will strengthen its ties with the US, US and Israel will start having a bigger role in Jordan, Increasing the chances of conflicts between Americans on one hand, and Palestinians/terrorists on the other hand.

The second scenario is more likely, because Israel's buffer zone in the region will be at risk.

 

[Morris]

Yeah, Abu-Mussab is dumb enough to have 60% of the Jordanian population who thought of Al-Qaeda as a legitimate resistance group turn against him.

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been fighting against Jordan since the date of his group's inception. For years al-Zarqawi has had a Jordanian death sentence hanging over him should he ever be extradited.

And many Iraqis disapprove of the occupation, so why does al-Zarqawi's group continue to target Iraqi civilians? Or are you implicitly blaming Israel for that too?

 

[Morris]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Musab_Al-Zarqawi

Zarqawi was arrested in Jordan in 1992, and spent seven years in a Jordanian prison for conspiring to overthrow the monarchy and establish an Islamic caliphate. In prison, Zarqawi reportedly became a feared leader among inmates. Yet, upon his release in 1999, Zarqawi was reportedly involved in an attempt to blow up the Radisson SAS Hotel in Amman, Jordan, whose customers are frequently Israeli and American tourists.

Sometime in 2001, Zarqawi was arrested again in Jordan but was soon released. Later, he was convicted in absentia and sentenced to death for plotting the attack on the Radisson SAS Hotel.

 

[devils_advok8]

^^ i don't think we should look further than al quaeda.

I guess the jordanian's support was useless to them, so it doesn't stand in te way. After all, Jordan is known in the Arab World as nothing but Israel's buffer zone.

Also, you guys should understand how this works by now.
These attacks will have one of two outcomes.

1- Jordan will be less inclined to deal with the states and Israel, and would rather stay out of the conflict (unlikely)

2- Jordan will strengthen its ties with the US, US and Israel will start having a bigger role in Jordan, Increasing the chances of conflicts between Americans on one hand, and Palestinians/terrorists on the other hand.

The second scenario is more likely, because Israel's buffer zone in the region will be at risk.

I agree, but you seem to think I was pointing the finger at Israel.I merely said that the attacks were carried by outsiders.Give it a while and the Jordanians and Iraqis in Jordan will clash, things arent looking too good between them.The thing is, the 4 bombers were Iraqi, and things are already tense between the Jordanians and Iraqis because a Jordanian blew himself up and killed 113 Iraqis.An upturn against the Iraqis was expected, so this leads to our question:Who would do such a thing?

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been fighting against Jordan since the date of his group's inception. For years al-Zarqawi has had a Jordanian death sentence hanging over him should he ever be extradited.

And many Iraqis disapprove of the occupation, so why does al-Zarqawi's group continue to target Iraqi civilians? Or are you implicitly blaming Israel for that too?

Trust me, I know a shitload more about Abu-Musaab without that wiki link.I happen to know an intelligence officer that tortured him.Abu-Musaab wouldnt miss a chance to strike at the Jordanian government, but not the people.Why would he order a wedding to be blown up?Why would he order the Days Inn hotel to be hit in any way, even if it meant just hitting the gate (that's what happened anyways), even if it meant there was a less chance a Jew or an American would be standing out the gates than in the lobby?Plus, I never heard it was a favourite meeting spot for foreign businessmen or diplomats.It's mostly teenage Saudis who stay there.The Radisson SAS is something else, but it was the wedding that was blown up, wasn't it?And it was near the doors of the hall where the wedding was supposed to take place.
Wouldn't it make more sense if Abu-Mussab carried the attacks on the Israeli Embassy, which is like 2 miles away from the Days Inn?If they could've just entered the Days Inn Lobby and blew it up, but they chose to blow up the gate and killed innocent civilians, surely they got no problem striking at the Israeli Embassy gate?The US Embassy is a different story, cause it's guarded with tanks, Marines, the Jordanian army and Jordanian intelligence and it has a street blocked.
It could be Abu-Mussab for all I know, but that would come off as a great disappointment.If his plan was to kill 33 Jordanians, he might as well blew up a mall.
You're confusing Shiite Iraqis with Sunnis.Abu-Mussab waged war on Shiite Iraqis cause of their collaboration with the enemy, so how can they have possibly disapproved of the occupation?

 

[Morris]

Plus, I never heard it was a favourite meeting spot for foreign businessmen or diplomats.

That fact has been mentioned in just about every news story on the topic. Besides, who do you expect would be staying in renowned Western hotel chains like the Hyatt, Days Inn and Radisson?

Wouldn't it make more sense if Abu-Mussab carried the attacks on the Israeli Embassy, which is like 2 miles away from the Days Inn?

Would it be safe to assume the Embassy is as guarded as the American embassy?

but it was the wedding that was blown up, wasn't it?And it was near the doors of the hall where the wedding was supposed to take place.

The goal was to kill as many people as possible, thus the reasons the bombs were packed with ball bearings. These people are more concerned with the body count than who is in the crowd. For example, Palestinian groups have killed over 100 Israeli Arabs in suicide bombings during the intifada.

It could be Abu-Mussab for all I know, but that would come off as a great disappointment.If his plan was to kill 33 Jordanians, he might as well blew up a mall.

Well, since everyone from King Abdullah to Islamic websites have called it a fact that al-Zarqawi's group was behind it, I'd like to know who you think is responsible.

As for possible motivation:

But some experts on the Middle East warned the shock and fury that came after the explosions may have been part of the terrorists' calculation, a first step toward fracturing Jordanian society, with a goal of one day overthrowing the state.

he first stage in that strategy, said Boaz Ganor, director of the International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism in Israel, is "to destroy the status quo and to create the circumstances that will make it possible for the local Islamic radical movements to take control in their homeland."

There is evidence that the terror network has been trying to do this for some time in Jordan. Jordanian intelligence has reportedly foiled several attempts to carry out terror operations on its soil, including a plot to attack the American Embassy in Amman in 2004.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/13/weekinreview/13glanz.html

 

[devils_advok8]

That fact has been mentioned in just about every news story on the topic. Besides, who do you expect would be staying in renowned Western hotel chains like the Hyatt, Days Inn and Radisson?

No, not the Days Inn.

Would it be safe to assume the Embassy is as guarded as the American embassy?

It's not guarded as much as you seem to think it is.It's in the middle of a residential area, mostly 4 storey buildings.There's some sort of barrier, just tell them you live there and they'll let you in.Then there's the Embassy, there's a tank and a few officers, but that's about it.The Israeli Embassy is small, it used to be a house.

The goal was to kill as many people as possible, thus the reasons the bombs were packed with ball bearings. These people are more concerned with the body count than who is in the crowd. For example, Palestinian groups have killed over 100 Israeli Arabs in suicide bombings during the intifada.

Yeah, but most Palestinian groups regard Arab-Israelis as traitors.
When did a Palestinian group carry an attack with the intention to kill an innocent Palestinian civilian?

Well, since everyone from King Abdullah to Islamic websites have called it a fact that al-Zarqawi's group was behind it, I'd like to know who you think is responsible.

As for possible motivation:



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/13/weekinreview/13glanz.html

That's true.Abu-Muss'ab himself said he was behind the attacks.
EDIT:The Jordanian TV channel just aired an interview with one of the bombers, apparently she couldnt blow herself up.