Affirmative Action

[Illuminattile]

We haven't done this in a while; what are your opinions of Affirmative Action?

Personally I'm opposed to it. Positive discrimination is still discrimination.

 

[Devious]

i agree, you can see the intentions are good, but someone is still getting the short end of the stick, which is the problem we should be working on solving. besides, if i own a business, and i'm looking to hire a new employee, i want to hire the person best qualified for the job, not the person the law says i have to hire.

 

[Synful*Luv]

I'm torn. On the one hand I see how it helps and why there's a need for it. On the other hand, it unfortunately will lead people to believe that someone only got a job due to their ethnicity.

Speaking from personal experience only.

However, it is still needed. For the most parts kids grow up around people who are similar to them... if it is the government who forces them to intermingle then so be it. Kids, teenagers, adults need diversity. Otherwise you have a lot of people who are basing their opinions on an entire group of people from the one person they know at the store or from the media's depiction of that group of people.

Also, minority children should be able to see actual people who they can relate to in the work place so they can have someone to look up to as role models. Little Black and Latino children do not identify with the White faces they see in power.

Furthermore, the diversity helps educate people so that when there happens to be only one person of color at a job or in a class... they are not subjected to ridiculous questions about their existence.

Minorities have to be well versed in European American culture for the most part. At least the majors as far as etiquette, what's rude or polite, the proper attitude one must have, etc. European Americans should have to know about the cultures of minorities as well. At least the main parts of whats rude or not.

 

[PuffnScruff]

However, it is still needed. For the most parts kids grow up around people who are similar to them... if it is the government who forces them to intermingle then so be it. Kids, teenagers, adults need diversity. Otherwise you have a lot of people who are basing their opinions on an entire group of people from the one person they know at the store or from the media's depiction of that group of people.

Also, minority children should be able to see actual people who they can relate to in the work place so they can have someone to look up to as role models. Little Black and Latino children do not identify with the White faces they see in power.

the govt has no business forcing people to mingle.

people basing their opinions of the world based on what they see in the media is part of the culitvation theory. it's just a sad ignorant part of life. no govt can do anything about it unless they get rid of the media all together.

if one person can not look up to another just because that person has a different skin color, then they have bigger problems in life. young kids dont need role models of people with the same skin color. they need role models and strong father and mother figures period. the skin color should not have anything to do with it.

if a "Little Black and Latino" child can not "identify with the White faces they see in power" then maybe they have some racism issues they need to work out.

 

[Duke]

I have no thumbs.

I do believe it's the wrong solution for a very real problem.

 

[Illuminattile]

What's the right solution?

 

[Synful*Luv]

the govt has no business forcing people to mingle.

people basing their opinions of the world based on what they see in the media is part of the culitvation theory. it's just a sad ignorant part of life. no govt can do anything about it unless they get rid of the media all together.

if one person can not look up to another just because that person has a different skin color, then they have bigger problems in life. young kids dont need role models of people with the same skin color. they need role models and strong father and mother figures period. the skin color should not have anything to do with it.

if a "Little Black and Latino" child can not "identify with the White faces they see in power" then maybe they have some racism issues they need to work out.

Don't get me wrong. That sounds nice but its not how life works. I guarantee you if you ask any kid who grew up in a homogeneous environment they do not identify with people who do not look like them. I speak again, not from ideas that sound good but from my own personal experience. Sometimes the truth is a bit more racist than we'd like to believe but it is what it is.

And this is not to insult you or your post. But as a White male who may not know many or spend a lot of time around inner city minority children.... you can speak from ideals but not from experience. It's just one of those things that you kind of have to live through to understand.

True, the gov't can't force people to mingle but since America likes to take claim to being a "cultural meltingpot" they need to see to it that all the cultures are blended equally and I think that was the original idea behind Affirmative Action.

 

[PuffnScruff]

Don't get me wrong. That sounds nice but its not how life works. I guarantee you if you ask any kid who grew up in a homogeneous environment they do not identify with people who do not look like them. I speak again, not from ideas that sound good but from my own personal experience. Sometimes the truth is a bit more racist than we'd like to believe but it is what it is.

And this is not to insult you or your post. But as a White male who may not know many or spend a lot of time around inner city minority children.... you can speak from ideals but not from experience. It's just one of those things that you kind of have to live through to understand.

True, the gov't can't force people to mingle but since America likes to take claim to being a "cultural meltingpot" they need to see to it that all the cultures are blended equally and I think that was the original idea behind Affirmative Action.

no i speak from experience. dont assume because of my skin color i grew up around people who share my skin color or that i am some rich white boy who has had everything handed to him in life. most of my childhood was spend growing up on the east side of st louis across the river from downtown stlouis in illinois. ever heard of east saint louis? wiki it. before that it was las vegas. some of my best friends who lived across the street from me in las vegas were mexican aliens. the only person in the family that was a natural born citizen was the youngest who wasnt even 5. their father was a very respectable man who anyone could look up too. a business owner. he would come and buy all the kids on the street ice cream when the truck came around. him and i didnt share the same skin color but he was a man all of us could look up to and admire. our whole street was nothing but a melting pot of blacks, asians, whites and mexicans.

so, i am not speaking from ideas but my own personal experience in life as well

 

[Synful*Luv]

no i speak from experience. dont assume because of my skin color i grew up around people who share my skin color or that i am some rich white boy who has had everything handed to him in life. most of my childhood was spend growing up on the east side of st louis across the river from downtown stlouis in illinois. ever heard of east saint louis? wiki it. before that it was las vegas. some of my best friends who lived across the street from me in las vegas were mexican aliens. the only person in the family that was a natural born citizen was the youngest who wasnt even 5. their father was a very respectable man who anyone could look up too. a business owner. he would come and buy all the kids on the street ice cream when the truck came around. him and i didnt share the same skin color but he was a man all of us could look up to and admire. our whole street was nothing but a melting pot of blacks, asians, whites and mexicans.

so, i am not speaking from ideas but my own personal experience in life as well

I said "may or may not" I didn't just assume that you wouldn't know. I didn't know of your background of course. But see here is the difference. The kids in your neighborhood are around a lot of different people. You said it yourself that the area was a 'melting pot" the kids I was referring to in both of my posts grow up in homogeneous neighborhoods.

But regardless, that was one minor situation that I hinted at.