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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
^^ This.

In response to ARon and Masta, it was Casey that told me that Moto uses the TI OMAP processors. Correct me if I'm wrong, Casey, but the structure of the processor allows it to be more efficient, i.e. faster without running at a really high temperature when overclocked. There's a performance ranking of phones in terms of mflops (no clue wtf it means) and an overclocked Droid was the best phone in that category, even besting the Nexus One running FroYo.

In other words, the OMAP processors are not to be fucked with. This 2 Ghz OMAP coming soon...."soon"....will rape everyone.

Qualcomm is good, but after hearing, and then seeing proof, or OMAP's ass-kickery, my next phone HAS to be a Motorola phone.
 

Casey

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^^ This.

In response to ARon and Masta, it was Casey that told me that Moto uses the TI OMAP processors. Correct me if I'm wrong, Casey, but the structure of the processor allows it to be more efficient, i.e. faster without running at a really high temperature when overclocked. There's a performance ranking of phones in terms of mflops (no clue wtf it means) and an overclocked Droid was the best phone in that category, even besting the Nexus One running FroYo.

In other words, the OMAP processors are not to be fucked with. This 2 Ghz OMAP coming soon...."soon"....will rape everyone.

Qualcomm is good, but after hearing, and then seeing proof, or OMAP's ass-kickery, my next phone HAS to be a Motorola phone.
This is the not the same thing. We were talking about the efficiency of dual-core processors. The 2GhZ Motorola will be a dual-core also.

And yeah, the OMAP's do kill the Qualcomms. But it's kinda swings and roundabouts because the Samsung Hummingbird processors are sick as well. They don't get the MFLOPS performance of the OMAP's....but they rape them when it comes to the GPU. The GPU in that Galaxy S rapes everything. That's why AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, Sprint and US Cellular in the US have ALL picked up the Galaxy S for their network. They know what's up. How often do you see all 5 of those carriers pick up the same device? That's how you know it's a beast.

I just think it's funny how I told you before you even bought your Droid Eris that Motorola were making the best Android phones and you needed to get one, you totally ignored me and even went off on a big rant about how shitty Motorola were in your opinion, and now after seeing the facts and figures you understand what I was talking about. LOL

Anyway, if it comes down to it and both the Vision and the upcoming Motorola tick all the boxes for me (QWERTY, big-ass screen, front-facing camera, HDMI, vanilla Android) then really it'll just be a case of which phone looks cooler and which one I can get a better deal on. If they market that Vision as a Sidekick, which rumor has they might, it's a done deal purely for nostalgia's sake, being as I had SK's for a long time and had an endorsement deal with T-Mobile for the SK Slide, lol. Hell, I may be able to convince T-Mob to give me one for free again. :D
 
Sprint announces another 4g phone, this one from Samsung...the "Epic" I am not very happy with my Samsung Moment, the battery is horrible, I charge it twice a day and the GPS is horrible, never picks me up within a mile of where I am at, but I hope the "Epic" is a little more thought out and not rushed just to get into the android rat race.

fact sheet: Sprint | News Release


news release: Sprint | News Release
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
This is the not the same thing. We were talking about the efficiency of dual-core processors. The 2GhZ Motorola will be a dual-core also.

And yeah, the OMAP's do kill the Qualcomms. But it's kinda swings and roundabouts because the Samsung Hummingbird processors are sick as well. They don't get the MFLOPS performance of the OMAP's....but they rape them when it comes to the GPU. The GPU in that Galaxy S rapes everything. That's why AT&T, T-Mobile, Verizon, Sprint and US Cellular in the US have ALL picked up the Galaxy S for their network. They know what's up. How often do you see all 5 of those carriers pick up the same device? That's how you know it's a beast.

I just think it's funny how I told you before you even bought your Droid Eris that Motorola were making the best Android phones and you needed to get one, you totally ignored me and even went off on a big rant about how shitty Motorola were in your opinion, and now after seeing the facts and figures you understand what I was talking about. LOL

Anyway, if it comes down to it and both the Vision and the upcoming Motorola tick all the boxes for me (QWERTY, big-ass screen, front-facing camera, HDMI, vanilla Android) then really it'll just be a case of which phone looks cooler and which one I can get a better deal on. If they market that Vision as a Sidekick, which rumor has they might, it's a done deal purely for nostalgia's sake, being as I had SK's for a long time and had an endorsement deal with T-Mobile for the SK Slide, lol. Hell, I may be able to convince T-Mob to give me one for free again. :D

Yeah, that's what I was referring to when making the comparison. I didn't know about the dual-core Qualcomm processor until I saw this thread and I was making the comparison to the 2 Ghz OMAP one.

And my argument back then was based on the RAZR and the number of people that I knew that did not like them. I wasn't that into phones back then so my criteria revolved solely on reliability and very little on performance.

I still hear rumblings about how Motorola has "improved" their product quality with the Droid and how they're rebuilding their image as a quality phone manufacturer. Sure, everyone's 'improving" but it seems in Moto's case it's in leaps and bounds and they're playing catch up.

Regardless, the Droid has instilled a good amount of confidence in me and the Droid X and Droid 2, I think, will do the same.

I'm reading about this new Samsung phone picked up by all these carriers. I was instantly reminded of the RAZR. Anyway, why am I hearing "Samsung Galaxy S" and then the different names each carrier has given the same phone? Why?

Also, this AMOLED and whatnot...WTF is this shit? I'm looking on Google for comparisons, but all I'm seeing are videos. I'm looking for a chart that compares it to other screen types. Wondering if I'm gonna switch gears again and go for the "Fascinate," VZW's version of it. I read something about Samsung saying AMOLED would rape the iPhone's retina screen. And I played with an iPhone 4 the other day and it was damn good.
 

masta247

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Also, this AMOLED and whatnot...WTF is this shit? I'm looking on Google for comparisons, but all I'm seeing are videos. I'm looking for a chart that compares it to other screen types. Wondering if I'm gonna switch gears again and go for the "Fascinate," VZW's version of it. I read something about Samsung saying AMOLED would rape the iPhone's retina screen. And I played with an iPhone 4 the other day and it was damn good.
LCD = liquid crystals with a LED backlight.
AMOLED = organic that "glows by itself" - a tiny amount of voltage stimulates pixels to glow. They don't need a backlight.

Retina screen is just an IPS LCD screen under a thin hardened glass which is superior to most other phone LCD screens to be fair. It's developed by LG.

AMOLED
[+] perfect viewing angles, perfect black levels, superior color reproduction and amazing depth/saturation, waay lower energy drain, perfect motion resolution and ultra low pixel response time, literally thousands times higher real contrast ratio levels. Oh it's also thinner because it doesn't require a backlight.
[-] no backlight which means limited (but really more than enough for a mobile phone) brightness.

LCD
[+] Better brightness, price.
[-] worse viewing angles (image tends to lose contrast when viewing off angle), energy consumption, blue/grey-ish blacks, average color reproduction, worse response time and motion resolution (occasional ghosting/smearing), everything else.

The only thing that LCD does better is brightness levels because LCD has its own backlight.

Now IPS is a variant of LCD technology that offers better viewing angles and colors than for example TN TFT but still they are not perfect. However it suffers from even worse black levels that in reality are dark-blue/grey - just like on most LG TVs. Apple sticks to their panels like crazy despite the fact that S-PVA LCD is better for casual needs.

Overall LCD is a very limited and outdated technology. Sure it evolved and minimized its shortcomings but its outdated nevertheless.
AMOLED is the ultimate display technology right now. Samsung's Super AMOLED is basically the most awesome AMOLED with only 1 thin but strong glass layer above the screen which makes for an awesome feeling of images almost popping out of the screen.

The only reason why it's not the most popular in displays right now is because it's very problematic to create AMOLED/OLED screens that would be bigger than 20 inch and their development is pretty expensive which means that even 19 inch OLED screens are damn expensive compared to LCDs.

This is how the difference looks in conditions where the difference is visible the most (dark, viewing off angle):

Iphone 3GS (IPS LCD), Samsung Galaxy S (Super AMOLED), new LG Chocolate (AMOLED):
 

Casey

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Sprint announces another 4g phone, this one from Samsung...the "Epic" I am not very happy with my Samsung Moment, the battery is horrible, I charge it twice a day and the GPS is horrible, never picks me up within a mile of where I am at, but I hope the "Epic" is a little more thought out and not rushed just to get into the android rat race.

fact sheet: Sprint | News Release


news release: Sprint | News Release
Get it. It's the Galaxy S Pro rebranded. Has a full QWERTY keyboard. Beast. As you can see, we're all pretty much raving about the Galaxy S right now in here :)

Samsung Galaxy S Pro revealed Stateside as the Epic 4G : Tech Digest
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
What a write-up, Masta. Thanks for the info. I just watched Android Central's review of the Galaxy S and it looks pretty neat. The only thing I worry about is how quick will it be to be updated because of the custom UI. The issue I have now with my Eris is that I feel it's underpowered and the fact that it has Sense UI on it, it's done-for as far as 2.2 is concerned. It got 2.1 six months after it's release, and while I realize that it was one of the first phones not named the "Droid" or "Nexus One" to get it, it still came with its fair share of issues.

I'm still divided on what's more important to me, firmware updates (prompt ones) or hardware specs. I have nothing to compare the VZW Fascinate to hardware-wise, but if it's gonna go through the same hurdles the Behold is going through, just to get 1.6, then I may hold off on it.

My upgrade is this November, so... the Galaxy would probably be "obsolete" by then and I still have my hopes set on an OMAP processor in a top-tier Android phone so that it's promptly rooted and can be overclocked to hell.
 

Casey

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The issue with your Droid Eris was less about updates and more about the fact that there weren't a lot of people trying to root it, as it wasn't a popular device comparatively.

The more people have a device, the quicker it will get rooted. The most popular devices usually get rooted before they're even released. The Galaxy S has already been rooted.

If you have root, you can flash a custom ROM with the latest update.

The HTC Desire, for example, is a Sense UI device, but there's already a working FroYo ROM for it. So in that regard, hardware spec and popularity are the two key factors in deciding which Android to get. With the Galaxy S being available both internationally and on all the major US networks, there will be some incredible ROMs for it in the near future.
 

Pittsey

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Ok, I am open minded. So which phone do I get next, an android based phone or the Iphone 4G?


The apps I use most are -

Tom Tom
Ebay
Met Weather
Natwest
Sky Sports Score Centre
Rightmove
I need something for my Word, excel docs.
I need an RDP App
I need a GPS based tracker for running, or cycling etc. I use Motion X currently

Jailbreak apps I use -

iblacklist - A call manager that enables me to divert certain calls at certain times to any number. Allows my phone to send a text to numbers that I chose with a custom text. Basically filters my calls in many ways.
ilocalis - Enables me to control my phone remotely. I can block the phone. Instruct it to ring or text me. I can get the number of any new sim inserted. I can wipe the data remotely. I can also log it's position.
Lockscreen - Customisable lock screen. Displays my diary, the weather. My emails, calls and sms.


I also want something that looks nice. Happy with a touchscreen keyboard. Thinner the better. I need something with good processing speed. My iphone is a bit laggy when multi tasking. I want flash compatibility. My only iphone hate. A customisable theme would be good too, and changing the icons.

When I think of more I will post back.

Thanks for any help.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I talked to a friend of mine that is a huge Apple fan, but not a fanboy. Or at least he's not ignorantly following the bandwagon, he genuinely enjoys Apple products with a mix of Windows.

Anyway, I asked him the other day why he hasn't jumped on board with Android. He had a 3GS, and I knew from a month ago, that he was waiting on the iPhone 4. He said "main functions are there without downloading apps, consistency through the aps, app store, iTunes integration, osx/mac integration." He says "it just works" which is also his reasoning behind his MacBook Pro with OSX. He also liked the media playback, which I think, sucks on Android.

I tried out another friend's iPhone 4 on Friday and it was really cool. One thing I like about Android is the phone selection. I really don't care much for apps, to be honest, as I don't like paying for them and I'm not THAT dependent on my phone for things. I can wait to use a computer for some other features. I just think the Android phones look cool and I like that it's integrated with Google.

People say "I love the customization" which is very vague and it irritates me when people say this. I hear mostly on the Eris forums, where there really isn't anything "customizable" for the majority of the users, who are unable to root at this point. I have gone through Cydia plenty of times and there are themes and keyboards available for download from there for free. So it kinda evens out the battlefield at that point.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but the iPhone uses some antiquated hardware. If it isn't ancient, it's something bufu...random...like "why would you use this, Steve?"
 

Casey

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More of the apps on Android are free to begin with. I have well over 150 apps installed and I probably paid for maybe 5 of them, when I first got the phone. There's also plenty of forums and torrents full of pirated Android apps, so it's the same difference really.

Anyway....


Tom Tom
Ebay
Met Weather
Natwest
Sky Sports Score Centre
Rightmove
I need something for my Word, excel docs.
I need an RDP App
I need a GPS based tracker for running, or cycling etc. I use Motion X currently

Jailbreak apps I use -

iblacklist - A call manager that enables me to divert certain calls at certain times to any number. Allows my phone to send a text to numbers that I chose with a custom text. Basically filters my calls in many ways.
ilocalis - Enables me to control my phone remotely. I can block the phone. Instruct it to ring or text me. I can get the number of any new sim inserted. I can wipe the data remotely. I can also log it's position.
Lockscreen - Customisable lock screen. Displays my diary, the weather. My emails, calls and sms.
.
Pittsey what network are you with and are happy to change if necessary?

I would say the best choices right now:

Nexus One
HTC Desire
Samsung Galaxy S

Regarding your app list:

Tom Tom - you can get Tom Tom for Android, but it's not necessary as Android comes prebuilt with the Google Navigation app, which is amazing (SatNav in Street View mode is mindblowing)

Ebay - there's a great eBay app for Android, I use it all the time. The notifications on it work flawlessly. I have won many an item using it. You can also set price range notifications with it, meaning if you want something but want to wait until it's available cheaper, you can set a price range with keywords and when a matching auction happens, it'll notify you.

Met Weather - there's loads of Weather apps for Android. I'm not up on which is the most popular, but I'm positive you'll find something that works for you.

Natwest - Right now there's an app that accesses the mobile site, but there is a proper app in development from what I understand.

Sky Sports - pretty sure this is available

Rightmove - this guy was making it, but Rightmove blocked him from using their data.. Speculation that they could have some kinda deal with Apple, but more likely scenario IMO is that they are building it themselves and feel the customers would be more likely to trust an official app rather than a third party one. I expect to hear more about this soon.

Word/Excel - there's loads. Documents To Go seems to be a popular choice, or QuickOffice which I believe comes preloaded on Desire.

RDP - as in Remote Desktop? There appears to multiple options including this one. Remote Desktop Client for Android

GPS Tracker - again, many options. Google themself make one called "My Tracks" and there are many other third party apps too.

All those jailbreak options are available with Android without having to hack/root it.There are all sorts of diversion, remote access/wiping apps, and loads of lockscreen customisers too.

Customisation is easy with Android. The app BetterCut allows you to change icons of any app, there's loads of free icon packs in the Market.

Blumpkin I have no idea what you are on about. Android is the most customizable OS out there even without root access. What's irritating about people saying that?

Android 2.2 beats the living shit out of iOS 4. Pittsey if you get a Nexus One you will be able to run Android 2.2 straight away. Desire, you could root it (basically the same as jailbreaking an iPhone) and flash a custom 2.2 OS straight away....official update for that is likely to come within 6 weeks. Galaxy S I'm not sure of the update schedule but probably same kinda timeframe as the Desire.
 

Casey

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Staff member
Amazon just released their Kindle app for Android.



Looking good.

P.S - Sidenote, I have that book shown in the pic "The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks" and it's great. I believe I posted about it on here when it first came out.
 

Cooper

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Also, this AMOLED and whatnot...WTF is this shit? I'm looking on Google for comparisons, but all I'm seeing are videos. I'm looking for a chart that compares it to other screen types. Wondering if I'm gonna switch gears again and go for the "Fascinate," VZW's version of it. I read something about Samsung saying AMOLED would rape the iPhone's retina screen. And I played with an iPhone 4 the other day and it was damn good.
Best way to compare is put them side by side, I did it with my screen, and it shits all over an iPhone 3gs, not had chance to compare with 4 tho. Only problem is it's not great in direct sunlight.
 

masta247

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That's another good point. I don't want to pay for apps. And on the iphone they're all available for free.
Android's free/paid apps ratio is way higher than Iphone's.
Ratio up to date:
Distribution of free and paid apps in Android Market, Androlib, Android Applications and Games

The really good news is that despite the rapidly increasing total numbers, the large percentage of free apps in the Android market is kept intact. Nearly 60 percent of all apps in the Android market are free, compared to about 25 percent in the app distribution services of the competing platforms.
Some apps that cost a few $ on Iphone are free on Android Market.

If it comes to navigation then the Google one is the best one I saw and it's free and preinstalled on most Android phones. The only downside is that out of the box it downloads maps "on the go" but it's only a problem if internet over 3g/gprs is expensive on your plan.
I use "sygic mobile maps" which also works like any other turn-by-turn navigation with voice instructions and you can just place maps you need on your sd card.

If it comes to other apps you'll definitely find them or at least some with similar functionality. I have about 50 apps and whenever I search I always find apps that do whatever I want to do.

Go for or at least try out Android. It's the better system. Especially since you have a way better high-end phone that takes advantage of latest technologies for cheaper than an Iphone.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
The free app selection on Android is pretty good. I dunno if or why a developer would make it free on one but paid on the other.....
 

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