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[Casey]

He's right, the iPhone does not do anything well. Especially making calls. To the point where even SNL made fun of them for that.

It's pretty funny that he called it complicated though. It looks like a Fisher Price toy - "My First Cellphone" to me with it's childlike looks.

And trust you to pick the ONE thing that that's been a small issue for just the last two months and is now resolved. Of course there would be initial support problems - that's what happens when you create an entirely new business model, something Apple have not done in a LONG time.

 

[THEV1LL4N]

talk about over pricing or people who cannot afford certain products...

what about those who need facilities to go to school or study and cannot purchase software or packages. open sourced programs offer them an opportunity to get what they need and continue to aspire.

i knew what open source was about but i never realised why my teacher switched my school it computer systems to linux and sent out free cd's to every student's home address containing software and os's on them until i read his motto on a news article reporting his suicide. he recognised and understood that families struggle to provide for their families and thought providing free facilities was a way to help these families out and encourage them to continue using free software rather than having to purchase costly equipment and software.

this is one reason why i am for open source and against the way apple overprice every one of their products.

i mean, that keyboard, mouse and gesture mouse are just luxury items as are pretty much every other one of apple's products. they dont give back or do anything for people who need help.

one thing i do like is that they are working with universities to provide podcasts of lectures. i hope google do this.
masta, could you provide me with some info on what google are experimenting at your institution?

 

[S. Fourteen]

i mean, that keyboard, mouse and gesture mouse are just luxury items as are pretty much every other one of apple's products. they dont give back or do anything for people who need help.

the open source crowd seem to have issues with some sense of entitlement. why do you keep looking to corporations for help? why should they help you? they want to make money - just like Google does and you give them data or money in exchange for the services they provide. I suggest you go find a non-profit organization if you want free handouts.

 

[THEV1LL4N]

^^ true but they still do not give back to their consumers. or do not offer products widely like other corporations like google do. they have limited their target groups to people in design, fashion, music and fanboys.

 

[masta247]

masta, could you provide me with some info on what google are experimenting at your institution?

Well, basically right now it's just about Google docs that students can work together with - sort of like a combination of docs and wave.
Also our university had moved to Google servers which also means having custom version of Gmail and all other Google tools. There are other things they are working on that are "in progress".

Right now it's only in Polish:
PJWSTK Google Apps

Chinese parts assembled in Korea, or something like that, right?

No, entirely made in Korea. It's a Samsung

 

[Casey]

LOL at open-source communities having a sense of entitlement.

You know why the developer community proselytizes Android so much? It's because we are as much a part of it as the people working at Google.

Hundreds, if not thousands of lines of code in the latest version of Android have been contributed by the developer community, all with the intent of making the product better. Anyone can submit their code if they have great ideas and that's what makes the project great. It might not get approved, but if it doesn't there's a valid reason why. And there's before you even get into third-party ROMs like Cyanogen. It's why Android is miles ahead of iPhone OS.

Thanks to active devs we have things like USB tethering and FLAC support, amongst hundreds of other things. Sure, these are only for a niche amount of users, but we love the devs who make these things possible and we love Google for having the guts to operate the way they do and make these things possible in the first place.

Make no mistake - Android users are a valid part of a community.

iPhone users are nothing more than end-line consumers that Apple does not give a fuck about. Go ahead and feel cool with your locked down baby product, but don't feel like you have a say, because you don't.

 

[S. Fourteen]

No, entirely made in Korea. It's a Samsung

Samsung… the battery is made in China, and who knows where the toxic byproducts go. You evil, evil person.

Casey, you're talking about developers, and I'm talking about people who want everything for free and thinks open source is the magic ticket to utopia.

the iPhone dev teams says FUCK OFF! Google does not give a shit about you and China is not missing Google because the Goo's PR campaign is filtered out in that country.

Good day sir

 

[Casey]

OK, I misunderstood you, but in response to that I'd say that I'd be more than happy to pay for certain Google services. In fact, I'm enjoying the new Google Docs "Upload Any File" feature so much that I might shell out for more storage. At just $5 for an additional 20GB, it's definitely worth it.

If Google business model involved charging for their services, I'd pay, because their services are unarguably the best out there. Nothing is fucking with Gmail for webmail. Nothing is fucking with Google Search for the most relevant search content. Nothing is fucking with YouTube for video sharing, Nothing is fucking with Google Docs (I don't even have Microsoft Office or Open Office on my new laptop), nothing is fucking with Google Maps, nothing is fucking with Android as a mobile OS that is tightly integrated with all of the above. With the recent purchase of a cloud photo editing web app (stolen away from Flickr), nothing will fuck with Picasa.

But Google's business model works. Sure people want things for free and who can blame them, especially when the free option is MILES better than alternatives that cost you money?

Apple and Microsoft are desperately trying to move into cloud services, but Google is at LEAST 2 years ahead of them, if not 3 or 4 (taking into account recent acquisitions).

Chrome is well on it's way to becoming the dominant browser, which sets the stage perfectly for Chrome OS later this year too.

Jobs is just mad pissed off right now because history is repeating itself, and he's losing again. The new CEO of Apple (I give Jobs another 7-10 years MAX) had better know what the fuck he's doing or the company is sunk.

 

[Casey]

Tim Bray Throws His Hat Into The Android Ring Because He Hates The iPhone

As Apple goes on the offensive against Android, it risks alienating more and more developers. Today, another prominent developer is chose the opposing side. Tim Bray, the well-known software architect and blogger, is joining Google to help rally even more developers around the Android mobile operating system.

Bray is the co-inventor of the XML Web standard, and most recently worked at Sun Microsystems. In a blog post, he explains that he is drawn to Google in part because he hates the iPhone, or at least its closed and controlling environment from a developer’s perspective.

"The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet’s future omits controversy, sex, and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can say what. It’s a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord’s pleasure and fear his anger.

I hate it."

He also notes that Android is catching up to the iPhone in terms of sales:

As of now, they’re selling around 90K iPhones per day compared to around 60K Android handsets. It’s a horse race!

In February, Google noted partners are selling 60,000 Android handsets a day, and Apple sold 8.7 million iPhones last quarter, or about 97,000 a day. Android is making steady gains in market share.

Bray’s decision to throw his hat into the Android ring is just the latest example of a growing backlash among developers to Apple’s autocratic ways. Facebook developer Joe Hewitt famously quit the iPhone over similar issues. Apple cannot afford to alienate developers because, given the choice, they will shift their attention and their apps to other platforms.

 

[masta247]

Funny thing is that today I had a lecture on programming multi-touch devices with a guy from Microsoft who said that their affiliated company has a patent for multi-touch on desktop displays and that's why Windows is multi-touch enabled. Apple lies about their trademark - no government recognizes it. Well, multi-touch was trademarked in the 80s by a few guys in no way associated with Apple.

 

[S. Fourteen]

"The iPhone vision of the mobile Internet’s future omits controversy, sex, and freedom, but includes strict limits on who can know what and who can say what. It’s a sterile Disney-fied walled garden surrounded by sharp-toothed lawyers. The people who create the apps serve at the landlord’s pleasure and fear his anger.

he hates it, good, but don't say stupid shit. I'm guessing he got his shitty app rejected. Poor guy. All the dismissed developers start saying how the iPhone sucks. Nothing is new here.

The controlled environment is what has made the company successful. He should know.

I don't know what the shit is about omits controversy blah , blah. It;s cute how he threw in the freedom there for good measure. Can he back this up with facts? Is this because the iPhone doesn't have Flash? LOL

In closing, the App Store is a store that Apple built, and they sell what they wish to sell. 100 boob apps trying to make a quick buck is something that us grown up iPhone users do not want to be part of. Apple will remove any copy right violation, and rightly so. Thanks Apple.

[edit] if you want to discuss iPhones, yall should post it up in the Mac thread from now on. thanks

 

[THEV1LL4N]

In closing, the App Store is a store that Apple built, and they sell what they wish to sell. 100 boob apps trying to make a quick buck is something that us grown up iPhone users do not want to be part of. Apple will remove any copy right violation, and rightly so. Thanks Apple.

^^ but this thread was a thread that was created by sandeep and we wish to write what we want in our thread. making a few opinions and comparisons on other products is something that us consumers want to do and be a part of. we will not remove any of the posts containing the aforementioned themes and rightly so. Thanks S.Fourteen.

 

[S. Fourteen]

^^ but this thread was a thread that was created by sandeep and we wish to write what we want in our thread. making a few opinions and comparisons on other products is something that us consumers want to do and be a part of. we will not remove any of the posts containing the aforementioned themes and rightly so. Thanks S.Fourteen.

what? I have the right to post an opinion in this thread as much as you or anyone else here and I have not said you can't write your opinion. Speaking up against what I consider to be wrong is something that I want to be part of and have the right to do like everyone else here. I never suggested a deletion of any posts. Furthermore, I added a request for those that want to post about iPhones to do so in the Mac thread I created and you or anyone else is welcome to continue the iPhone discussion there.

I am not sure what you are trying to say

 

[Casey]

100 boob apps trying to make a quick buck is something that us grown up iPhone users do not want to be part of.

This should be the decision of the user....not Apple.

Are they going to block Safari too, because you can look at mobile porn sites through it? lawl

 

[S. Fourteen]

^ next reply you post in the mac thread.. mmmkay?

Apple doesn't want a porn section in their app store. People are free to look at boobs on Safari, or upload porn onto the iPhone.
They are .99 cent apps that have jiggling boobs on the screen. Only a 12 year old would be complaining about deletion of apps containing sexuality or nudity. It's not even the issue of user decision and power, it's about clutter in the app store. When you make fun of the countless fart apps, Casey, most iPhone users would likely agree, they suck, we don't need em to pollute the screen.

 

[S O F I]

This should be the decision of the user....not Apple.

Are they going to block Safari too, because you can look at mobile porn sites through it? lawl

No, it should be Apple's decision because it's essentially selling the app, getting 30 cents on the dollar. So, you have the right as a company to determine what kind of product you want to sell. If I wanted Steve Jobs to make pornos, I don't think anyone would agree that it's my right to demand that from him since I'm the user. Safari is a browser that's a gateway to the Internet. It's not a provider of apps, or in your case, a provider of porn. There's no add-on in Safari where you can search for porn. You have to go to a search engine where the porn is NOT hosted on Apple servers, as opposed to the apps.

Not to forget brand value. If the App store is cluttered with nudity, it just makes the App store look cheap and tacky.

 

[Casey]

Those are fair points - but when it comes to policing, where do you draw the line? It's not just sexual content that has been pulled from the App Store.

Nobody wants to feel like they are being dictated to by the company that manufactures that product they have purchased.

I get that Apple is focusing on children, and non-technically-inclined people, and I agree that that is the market they SHOULD be focusing on, because when it comes to real, high-end tech, they can't compete.

But they are losing the key people that have believed in Apple for years.

As for the App Store being cluttered with nudity, that's not the case. Even if those apps were there, you're not going to see them in the "featured" section, you'd have to look for them if you wanted them. Apple could easily make them less visible.

salty it's not about "complaining about the removal of sexual content", it's the removal of content in general.

People are flocking away from Apple because all you've heard about Apple in the tech media for a long time now is the list of things you CAN'T do with their products.

Take the iPad for example - even people I know who are Apple fans laughed their asses off when they heard that it doesn't have a camera, USB ports, HDMI, widescreen display, multitasking, removable battery, etc.

Then you've got these countless stories about things getting rejected, pulled, etc from the App Store. It's not a good look for Apple at all.

I mean, going back to the sexual content (just as an example, as it's what we've been talking about) - would it have been so difficult for Apple to have put security measures in place so that you wouldn't see any of that content anywhere, unless you specifically requested access? Surely that would have been a better idea than just pulling all the content - and they wouldn't have gotten the bad PR from it.

 

[S. Fourteen]

Those are fair points - but when it comes to policing, where do you draw the line? It's not just sexual content that has been pulled from the App Store.

Apple's Schiller Defends iPhone App Approval Process - BusinessWeek

Nobody wants to feel like they are being dictated to by the company that manufactures that product they have purchased.

The only people that feel that way are people that own Android phones.

I get that Apple is focusing on children, and non-technically-inclined people, and I agree that that is the market they SHOULD be focusing on, because when it comes to real, high-end tech, they can't compete.

Fake Steve was saying that Google employees are switching to Macs. Any truth to this?

As for the App Store being cluttered with nudity, that's not the case. Even if those apps were there, you're not going to see them in the "featured" section, you'd have to look for them if you wanted them. Apple could easily make them less visible.

Less visible? You mean hard to find? Get outta here!
Not so much anymore, but back in the day, when I searched a term like, for example, "Japanese" - I'd get bombarded by anime and photo collection of c-class japanese women - making it hard for me to find useful apps. Seriously , Casey, get over it. If you want porn, go on the internet.

salty it's not about "complaining about the removal of sexual content", it's the removal of content in general.

It's an app store, its not Wikipedia.

People are flocking away from Apple because all you've heard about Apple in the tech media for a long time now is the list of things you CAN'T do with their products.

Take the iPad for example - even people I know who are Apple fans laughed their asses off when they heard that it doesn't have a camera, USB ports, HDMI, widescreen display, multitasking, removable battery, etc.

Fantasy is not reality.

 

[Casey]

The only people that feel that way are people that own Android phones.

We have freedom. You don't. Android users do what they want to with their device. iPhone users do what Apple want them to do.

Fake Steve was saying that Google employees are switching to Macs. Any truth to this?

My cousin was recently hired to work on Android. He said this is untrue. Obviously Apple fans would want to perpetrate this kind of myth.

Less visible? You mean hard to find? Get outta here!
Not so much anymore, but back in the day, when I searched a term like, for example, "Japanese" - I'd get bombarded by anime and photo collection of c-class japanese women - making it hard for me to find useful apps. Seriously , Casey, get over it. If you want porn, go on the internet.

Why are you trying to make this about me? I don't give a shit if there's porn or not on Apple devices, since I don't own any Apple devices.

I give a shit about tech dictatorship, something Google fight very hard against, and Apple seem to love. Do you enjoy bending over and taking Apple cock?

Fantasy is not reality.

The only fantasy is with Apple fanboys who actually think they make good products, when the REALITY is it's all underpowered, overpriced, boring junk.

 

[S. Fourteen]

We have freedom. You don't. Android users do what they want to with their device. iPhone users do what Apple want them to do.

Spoken like a true Android user. Again, the only people that complain are people who do not use the iPhone. Go figure.

My cousin was recently hired to work on Android. He said this is untrue. Obviously Apple fans would want to perpetrate this kind of myth.

And Android fans wants to perpetrate a myth that Macs can't compete in a high end environment.

Why are you trying to make this about me? I don't give a shit if there's porn or not on Apple devices, since I don't own any Apple devices.

I give a shit about tech dictatorship, something Google fight very hard against, and Apple seem to love. Do you enjoy bending over and taking Apple cock?

Because you're taking something so trivial and making it sound like its tyranny.