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3en · Nov 21, 2009

You didn't really shoot me down, u stated your opinion on why u prefer Android which is fine. Not fact, opinion.

Your right tho only through downloading pirated versions.

True, also because it is a lot tougher to write one for Mac.

Yes but all are for jail broken iphones.

Yes Android will take off and have more users as more vendors switch. In the coming years there will be two dominant OS platforms Android and iPhone.

Flipmo · Nov 21, 2009

I've had both Macs and Pcs my whole life. Macs make me feel like a piece of shit. What's great about my PC is that I custom built it, meaning I get to do what the fuck I want with it. Throw in more ram, change vid cards, new processor? WHY NOT! Do I pay 3k? No. I pay 900$ for a supercharged machine lol.

I'll give Mac props in the domain of computer graphism. It's a great machine for that, else from that. It's a pain in the ass for me.

PC Gaming? (I know some are you gonna say fuck PC gaming Xbox and PS3 ftw, but eat a dick. You haven't gamed until you've gamed on a supercharged PC... in addition, we get Starcraft and Diablo, it's also gay to play FPS with a controller

) PCs rape anything Mac has in that domain.

In my classrooms there are always ppl with MacBooks, and all they use it for is fucking facebook, class notes, or some kind of messenger. That's all. 1500$ for that? lmao. I paid 400 for my Toshiba, and it crashes less than the Macbooks I see girls panicking with.

As for the Trustfund thing Casey spoke about. Generally, yeah. Everyone I've asked that has a Mac it's cause their mommy or daddy bought it for them. Not saying it's like that for everyone, but from what I've seen, it's all I've been exposed to.

masta247 · Nov 21, 2009

3en said:

You are annoying to discuss with as you have no idea what you're talking about.

No it is not better, people write various arguments on why Android is a better OS and still you don't listen and come up with "Iphone OS is better".
Android is new and its popularity is rising really fast. Windows is the most popular and it doesn't seem to change in the nearest future.

Like I said Mac is good for music, movies and internet and that's all it's good for.
However while using Mac you might have forgotten that there's a function called "install new software". You can install whatever you want and most of that is freeware.

The difference is marginal and points tested there are those MAC OSX was actually made for. Even the link you posted - it says the average boot time for Snow Leopard is about 37 second while Windows 7 does that in 42 seconds. Is it "Extremely faster?".

Windows had that since I can remember. I had that in Windows ME in late 90s, probably it was there earlier too. Not that quick? It happens instantly.

Then why is there's antivirus software for Mac?
I have seen viruses on Windows only when people used wrong software or didn't know how to use their computer. Like I said - I have never had a problem because of a computer virus.

I already gave you a list of things I can't do with Mac. Majority of people would have problems doing things they do everyday with a Windows PC on a Mac.
What you can't do with Windows though?

No, Mac's are good only for a small amount of activities. Everything else - Windows is just superior. And a lot of people do music/graphics/video on Windows and are happy so it's not like you can't do that on Windows either.

Do you even know the Task Manager and Resource Monitor in Windows?

Console in Mac looks just like on any other Unix system and is annoying to use.
I bet most people don't even use console in unix systems though.
"run -> cmd" => Windows console.

scandisk ffs

Yes I have, numerous times. I have no encountered a problem to shoot on Windows 7 though. It does everything by itself while on Mac you have to configure/do most things manually.

I have never said that.
I said that they may be better for music/graphics editing. You are so annoying to argue with.

See, that's what I said about you and Windows since you seem to have no idea about Windows and what it comes with and what you can do with it. You don't know about its basic functions. You point out some things Mac has that came from Windows in the first place thinking that they are Mac exclusive.

People shoot down your points whether it's about Windows/Mac or Android/Iphone and you still keep on repeating yourself.

Casey · Nov 21, 2009

Rolling with masta on this one, he speaks the truth.

There is nothing you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC in 2009, and you can do more on a PC......hence no reason to buy a Mac.

My cousin has been using a Mac for 20 years. He runs a professional music studio with an expensive Pro Tools rig and does heavy video and graphic editing there as well. He recently decided to move his entire operation over to a PC, because it gives him more software options, and to a lesser extent, because Apple are pissing him off with their restrictiveness. Another reason is that he can get a much more powerful system for the same amount of money.

Flipmo · Nov 21, 2009

3en · Nov 21, 2009

masta247 said:

The only person that provided valid arguments was Casey on Android. Tho he did not shoot down any of my points. Listen I have used both systems, and prefer iPhone simple. I have stated why. There is nothing that id want to do on Android that I cant already on iPhone. Put simply it works better for me.

masta247 said:

iPhone is the most popular and it doesn't seem to change in the nearest future?

Your anti Mac arguments are weak.

masta247 said:

iLife 09 comes standard with every Mac. Did you know you can install freeware software for Mac too?

masta247 said:

My gfs PC 2 year old laptop does not do that running windows xp.

masta247 said:

No they wouldn't.

Most people use a computer for internet, photos, music, movies, word processing, email. Thats it. I would say these tasks are easier on a Mac with the built in software.

Listen the only reason Im annoying to argue with is because I provided valid arguments u dont agree with. Thats fine. Im not wrong your not wrong....Windows works better for you, Mac works a lot better for me.

Casey · Nov 21, 2009

3en said:

I did shoot down your points, actually. Perhaps read my post again.

I'll break it down a bit better this time.

We are debating which is a better mobile OS. Your argument mostly consists of "I like iPhone OS more". That's fine, but that's your preference and that's not what we're debating here.

You say there is nothing "that you want to do" on Android that you can not do on an iPhone. Again, that's fine, because as you have stated yourself, you only use your phone for basic tasks, calling, messaging, light media usage, light surfing, etc.

However, you are not the bottom line. There are a substantial amount of people that want and need more from their phone than this. And I'm not just talking about nerds or people that are heavily into computers or smartphones, as you have incorrectly asserted in a previous post.

There are plenty of everyday users that use removable storage mediums. There are plenty of everyday users that use programs other than iTunes for both their music purchasing and archival/storage purposes. There are plenty of everyday people that need the simple ability of multitasking. There are plenty of everyday people that like to have a phone with a physical keyboard, or even just to have a choice of hardware in general. There are plenty of everyday people that simply don't want to feel dictated to about what they can and can't do with their device. There are plenty of everyday that want the ability to have a smartphone on the network/carrier of their choice. There are plenty of people who wish to customise their device and not be limited to a tired UI that features pages of icons on a black background with 4 columns with 4 icons per each row. I can keep going.

When you take all of these things into consideration, Android is a superior platform, and that is a fact, not opinion.

3en · Nov 21, 2009

Casey Rain said:

- Removable storage
not an issue 32GB is enough for me.

-iTunes is great, I have the largest database of music right at my finger tips. Easy to use and does everything I need.

- Multitasking with all apps would be nice, it will come. I can multi task currently with certain apps on iPhone.

- Having used both I prefer not having a physical keyboard.

-In NZ all iPhones are unlocked. You can use with any carrier you wish.

- You can easily jailbreak the iPhone if you would like to customize the phone. Or if you dont like being under Apples terms.

Without going round in circles , I just dont see any advantage with Android in any of the points you have made bar multitasking.

I use my phone mainly for calls, txts, email, heavy media use (as an iPod.) And a lot of web surfing. Along with games and GPS.

This is MY OPINION on why I prefer iPhone

- User interface, easiest and slickest phone to navigate I have used.

- Media/entertainment/Web browsing
Best music /video player. Best iPod ever. Best web browsing on a mobile phone with multi touch.

-iTunes Music store largest online music/videos/movie store. More content to choose from compared with Amazon.

iPhone App Store, 100,000 apps vs 10,000 Android. iPhone Apps from well known developers.

For the average consumer (like myself) these are the top points they look at when making a decision.

Until there is a phone from Android that can top those main features, I will stick with the iPhone.

ARon · Nov 21, 2009

^Hold up you actually buy music from iTunes? You actually buy music? lol

masta247 · Nov 21, 2009

3en said:

Well, it would be all good if you said that you prefer IPhone. Instead you said that it's a better system but it is not.

Iphone OS is the most popular because of the Iphone (device) but the disproportion is not as big. Also Android's popularity is rising fast while for desktops Mac has only a few percent of market share and its popularity is not rising noticeably. Actually Windows 7 alone is more popular than the latest Mac and all Linux systems together.

No, each of them is on point, directly shooting down your arguments.

However most software you can download as freeware for Windows does not work on Macs.
3/4 of programs I use do not work natively on Macs.

It's quite typical for Apple fans to associate every non-Apple PC/laptop with Windows.
However the fact that the computer itself did not do that doesn't mean that the operating system doesn't do that.
Either it was laptop's fault or she didn't set that in settings.
First thing you do after installing a system is to set how do you want it to act and personalize it.

These things you can do equally well with any Windows.
Then maybe you could be right about most people if you're talking about computer usage of people overall - young, old, in countries where a pentium 3 PC is a luxury. However half of them wouldn't want an Apple system anyway since it is more expensive and chances are they already are used to Microsoft.
Why would they want to pay more for a system to check their email, browse the web and see holiday photos if they can do it on any OS?
If you're about hardware and Apple systems as a whole - most young people use computers for games and work and it's usually impossible to enjoy these things on a Mac computer. Why would they buy it anyway? More expensive, slower and way worse for them since they can't play all games and games they can play work slower.
They could buy a two times faster and more reliable machine for half of Apple computer's price with which they can play all games, install all software, replace all hardware and do everything they want with the only cost of having no "Apple" logo on it.
Going further Apple systems are either for people who want to pay more just to think that they have a cooler system (at least they seem to think so) and use it to check email, watch movies and browse the web (things you can do at least as well on any other system) or to have a professional machine for graphics or music/video editing because majority of other pros use Mac software to do that.
Then if it's about the OS itself:
See, I wouldn't question buying Mac OSX if it was very cheap or even free like almost all other Unix systems - there are various ones that look like Mac too by the way. It's just that I see it as paying more to have a system that limits its users possibilities just for the fuck of it than a cheaper and more complete system, and even if you prefer Unix-like systems go for any linux build. I totally support Linux users and they have all positive traits you have mentioned about Mac with many different innovative solutions.

No, it's annoying because you don't listen to arguments and just repeat your claims again and again.
It also seems like you prefer Mac because you have little or no experience with other systems and you say it's better just because it works good for you.

Then again if you said "I prefer Mac" from the start it would look different than claiming "Mac OSX 10.6 > Windows 7" and "Iphone OS > Android OS".
It would be all good if you said "I like Apple because I enjoy using their products like Mac OSX 10.6 and Iphones" instead of claiming that it is superior to everything - like the fact that you like it made it ultimately superior.
In that case some people would probably try to convert you for a moment but wouldn't feel touched by extraordinary claims (like I did).

Cooper · Nov 21, 2009

ARon said:

And anyone using a PC without antivirus and firewall deserves shooting anyway.

BTW Android > iPhone
PC > Mac

In terms of value, Apple products suck balls. If you're rich and want a good, fancy laptop get a fuckin Vaio

Casey · Nov 21, 2009

3en said:

And herein is why (as I have already pointed out) your argument is flawed. YOU ONLY SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.

Let's say you went out into any street and asked people for a whole range of things they need their phone to do. Let's say you gathered 100 of those things.

Android, as a platform, and the existing hardware that the platform runs on - DOES MORE OF THOSE THINGS than the iPhone OS and the existing hardware it runs on.

Therefore Android is a SUPERIOR OS to the iPhone. This is not motherfucking rocket science, yet I've repeated these 3 times now and you still don't get it. This is why as masta said, you are an annoying person to argue with.

No. Playing MP3's and watching videos rendered with Quicktime codecs does not qualify as heavy media usage. Does your iPhone play FLAC or Ogg Vorbis files? No. Does it have flash support? Does it support mkv video files? Does it support VOB files?

When I say heavy media usage, I'm not talking about the length of time you spend using it. You could spend 24 hours of every day listening to MP3's and that still doesn't qualigfy as heavy media usage. Heavy media usage means support for as many formats as possible.

Incredibly boring UI that offers no customisation other than "Hey look I can change the order that the apps are displayed in!!!!" No theme support, no backgrounds, no widgets. If you computer couldn't offer these things you'd be hella pissed off, why settle for less with your phone? oh I know why, you fall hook line and sinker for Apple's PR tricks like every other iLoser. Here's an example of how Apple got to you with their subtle use of language and their mind control.

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You see that? Apple thinks you are so stupid that they can repeat the same 3 words ad infinitum and people will believe them. Judging from how you repeat words such as "Best iPod Ever" directly from their PR campaigns shows that you are stupid enough to fall for it. I reckon I could sell you a bottle of air if I had the right PR campaign. Turns out all I gotta do is tell you how amazing and incredible air is over and over again.

See above. When you only support a handful of formats you can't claim to have the best music or video player. Your statement is WRONG. Usually I would say that people are entitled to their opinions but when their opinions are based on LIES AND BULLSHIT then opinions can indeed be WRONG.

Studies have shown that the VAST majority of iTunes/iPod users have never purchased a single item from iTunes. And you do realize that I could use iTunes on my computer and transfer to the content to my Android phone if I wanted to, right? But I don't because iTunes sucks. Therefore, your point, once again, is INVALID. NEXT!

Well known? LMAO. Name one developer that is "well known" to the general public outside of fanboys of that product. Without looking it up. For the record, it's about quality not quantity and roughly 800,000 of those iPhone apps are A) completely worthless and B) sell less than a few copies. If you boil it down to apps that actually enjoy a significant userbase? There's probably around 2,000 on both iPhone and Android.

And for the record, as I've mentioned before, developers are abandoning the iPhone for Android at breakneck speed. Not only because it's a more enjoyable platform to develop for, but because Google cares about it's developers, doesn't restrict them or fuck them over, and because there are more possibilities with the platform overall.

You don't speak for anyone other than yourself. This board has a cross section of people from diverse backgrounds, and it's clear we have more Android fans than anyone else, even people who don't yet own Android devices can see that it is clearly a superior platform.

There are plenty of Android phones that top those features. Not sure what's available in NZ other than the HTC Magic on Vodafone, which is a very capable device indeed but 8-10 months old at the moment.

SiGh · Nov 22, 2009

Millz, which one is the best one out of the ones Verizon offers?

I need a phone by the end of the weekend..

3en · Nov 22, 2009

Casey Rain said:

Im only annoying to you because I don't agree with you. C'mon now.

Casey Rain said:

Can you convert them to put them on iPhone? Yes.

Do the average every day consumers use those file formats? No

Everyday consumers use MP3, AAC, AIFF, WAV. iPhone is a platform for consumers.

If playing those formats was important iPod wouldn't be as successfull.

Casey Rain said:

Wrong, iPod doesnt have support for WMA and lots of other formats. Whats it now like 80% marketshare of the portable music player market?

Casey Rain said:

Tom Tom, Electronics Arts?

Casey Rain said:

Doesn't look like it...

iPhone Developer: Why I'm Not Making Apps For Android Or Palm (Yet)
iPhone Developer: Why I'm Not Making Apps For Android Or Palm (Yet) (AAPL, GOOG, PALM)

Also with Apples app store they have a much cheaper device with a different market being sold that can run the same Apps as iPhone called the iPod touch.

Casey Rain said:

This board does have more Android fans. Thats fine, the rest of the world doesn't.

Casey · Nov 22, 2009

SiGh said:

MotoDroid. That thing is a fucking beast.

THEV1LL4N · Nov 22, 2009

my uncle is looking for a phone and messaged me about android - i'm still yet to reply to him and am hoping i can make my tally to 3 android consumers in as little as a month!

Casey · Nov 24, 2009

and the onslaught continues. Droid sales are approaching a million units, Android's market share is going up at Apple and RIM's expense, and brand loyalty for Moto is going up while Apple's brand loyalty is going down!

Glowing red cyborg eyes, bombs dropped from stealth fighters, emotionless calls of "DRRROOOIIID" every time you get a text message -- it's enough to scare yesterday's lunch out of anyone. Verizon's no-holds-barred advertising campaign for the Motorola Droid has been so hellishly frightening overwhelmingly successful, in fact, that it appears to be paying dividends either directly or indirectly against Moto's biggest rivals. YouGov's BrandIndex -- an ongoing survey measuring brand loyalty through some secret-sauce methodology that only analysts would fully comprehend -- shows a marked spike in Moto's score in the critical adult male category, while Apple and RIM have taken hits over the same period. These numbers look terribly volatile over a relative short span, so we're not going to be rushing to any conclusions -- but by any measure, it's pretty wild to see Moto go from a has-been to besting the bulletproof cult of iPhone in just a few short weeks. In the long term, it'll be interesting to see just how deeply Moto's and Apple's carrier relationships are factoring into public sentiment; after all, momentum's certainly on Verizon's side right now.

Casey · Nov 25, 2009

Ustream viewer app is out for Android Market!!!!

Awesome!!! There's been a Ustream Broadcaster app out for a while, but I've been waiting for this!

source - Ustream Brings Its Viewer App To Android Market

I'd like to call some attention to the part I highlighted. Suck it iLosers! lol

Flipmo · Nov 25, 2009

Thats pretty awesome, especially for me since I use Ustream often to watch my footy matches. lol

THEV1LL4N · Nov 25, 2009

Flipmo said:

we can watch matches on ustream?

justin.tv, tv ants, sopcast and all the others havent been so great this year.

also, casey. is there a way i can download ustream videos and save them to my hard drive in a video (not flash) format?

also, file2hd doesnt allow for direct conversion to .mp4 files anymore. i can still get the .flv file and then i have to convert it myself using moyea flv to video converter.

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