World Government

[Duke]

There was mention of a world government in the Obama Deception/Conspiracy thread in the light of trying to achieve world domination (for wicked purposes, undoubtedly).


I like to throw the bat in the chicken coup (Dutch expression ) and start off by saying that I think the idea of a world government is the ideal we (as humans) should strive towards. If we want this ramshackle bunch of humans to get their shit together, cooperation is the key.
Technology has been improving drastically to make the world smaller the last 100 years, and it's still advancing at a rapid pace. In the end, the way forward lies in finding each other, as lame hippy as that may sound. It's already happening, obviously, with Europe being the leader in making steps towards a multi-nation nation, so to speak. Countries all over the globe are cooperating more and more on all kinds of areas.

That is the future. One Europe. One Asia. One America(s). In the end, one world. There is no other way.

Now the reason I brought this up was because for many people the idea of a "world government" seems to bring along ideas of supervillains, world dominion by evil people, Zionist conspiracy theories, capitalist Illuminati principles. I think this is Rubbish (capital R).
Apart from the simple fact I'm highly sceptical of these conspiracy ideas, some individual countries these days already have enough power to worry yourself bald over if you entertain the notion that everyone high up the food chain is hellbent on world domination.


Again, one human race, it's the only way forward. No more us v. them mindsets, it needs to be done together. If we ever want to achieve the idea of Star Trek and exploring the stars with spaceships, we will need to sort out things on Earth first. Cooperation is the way. The International Space Station is a great example of that.

Obviously I realize this is no revolutionary process. It happens slowly, in small increments. But one of it's foundations is the trust of the people, all people. We can't afford much suspicion anymore. We need to look at the long term. In a way, time is running out.


One world. Who's with me?

 

[S. Fourteen]

I'm with you.

All joking aside, I'm Jean-Luc Piccard representing the federation of planets. Our goal is to seek out new life, new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has ever gone before.

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"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -David Rockefeller

chea chea, mr. rockefeller!

George W. Bush is my hero.

 

[yak pac fatal]

who will run the world?

will the people have any say in anything that goes on?

the banks will have all authority... everybody will be watched n followed

new world order is not needed. theyre gonna fuck up the world so bad til the people want it(which wat they want to happen), last resort type of shit

you can co-op with other nations regardless of if theres a new world order. u think people will swallow their pride if theres a new world order? russians will be russians and americans will still be americans, now everyone is runned by the people above the law

the 'regular' governments we have now is terrible and evil, why the new world gov finna be any different? and why is it Rubbish that [is it possible] that the new world order will be runned by evil people?


i say fuck the new world order

 

[Killuminatii 71]

I think it's a bad idea to put the entire human race under the control of 1 government. Why should i be controlled by the elite? Why should my people be controlled by the elite? Who the fuck gives them the power to control me, spy on me, take my liberties away? The whole human race will be in the hands of a few? The richest most wealthiest people, that have mastered the art of deception?

We have seen many attempts at world domination in the past, and fortunately, they have all failed. I think in the end, the people will be opposed to a 1 world government, and they will rise and defeat the NWO. It's already happening.

 

[FroDawgg]

i'm all in favor of one government, one world. i think the whole idea of nations is what causes the majority of the world's problems.

 

[Duke]

I think it's a bad idea to put the entire human race under the control of 1 government. Why should i be controlled by the elite? Why should my people be controlled by the elite? Who the fuck gives them the power to control me, spy on me, take my liberties away? The whole human race will be in the hands of a few? The richest most wealthiest people, that have mastered the art of deception?

We have seen many attempts at world domination in the past, and fortunately, they have all failed. I think in the end, the people will be opposed to a 1 world government, and they will rise and defeat the NWO. It's already happening.

You're already (sort of) controlled by an elite. There's no big whoop. Sure, it sounds cool and intelligent to fume against "the elite" but it's not a new page. The elite have always been there and will always stay. Some people just overestimate their abilities.

Why do you automatically assume the "NWO" will be comprised of that same elite btw? It can be funded on sound democratic principles like any proper government, you can think of all sorts of constructions that limit the things the ones in power can do. That's not the problem.

We have only seen attempts at world domination by force. Obviously, that's not going to work. One would be a fool to suggest so. I'm talking a gradual process. A hundred, maybe two hundred years.

the banks will have all authority... everybody will be watched n followed

Really? And how did you reach this inspiring conclusion? What fell funded arguments are the foundation for this financiel Big Brotheresque prediction?

new world order is not needed. theyre gonna fuck up the world so bad til the people want it(which wat they want to happen), last resort type of shit

Not needed? Really? See, that's where I disagree. It IS needed. ASAP.

The problem is people seeing conspiracy bullshit everywhere and thus throwing away the notion of one world before it even started.

 

[_carmi]

I agree with 1 world government. This will not change much for us regular folks. But I doubt nations will be eliminated. There will be subgovernments. If I go by the example of Canada, there is the federal government, and then the provincial governments which are subgovernment. It will probably resemble that. Then if one is not happy with another subgovernment, they'll still go at war.

Obviously there will be a stronger sense of unity for the human race in general.

 

[Flipmo]

I don't agree with it, until we get attacked by the Zerg.

 

[Duke]

Carmi makes a good point. In essence, it's nothing more than a few steps higher on the governmental level. From town to province to nation to continent to world. Etc. It's not such a long shot, not in theory and not in practice, yet the concept of "World Government" seems to scare a whole bunch of people shitless.

 

[S O F I]

If you think about it, we do have a world government which is the United Nations. What lacks is an enforcement mechanism, a police force, but you can cynically say the UN Security Council performs the job with nuclear weapons as deterrents.


The concept of world government seems to scare people because they don't like the idea of being helpless without control. They don't like the idea of people behind the curtain making the decisions for them, but that's what happens anyway.

The opponents of world government and Obama's politics on this forum defend their opinions with conspiracy theorists' talking points.

"The banks will run the world"
"I don't want the new world order" - LOL what does that even mean?
"All governments are terrible and evil" - Now that one is just....awesome.

Please, kids, stay in school.

 

[Killuminatii 71]

The more central and consolidated a government is, the less an individual's voice will be represented. Under a huge, remote and bureaucratically oriented government you can kiss your personal influence on policy good-bye. Take a look at what is happening now in the European Union. Those poor people are going to find out soon enough all the wonderful benefits of living under the thumb of politically insulated beaurocrats, power mongers, and bankers.

What recourse would citizens or local governments have to fight a tyrannical law? Currently in the United States the Constitution is written so that the federal government is an agent of the States, not the reverse, but the whole trend in recent years is to make the States into agents of the federal government. Do you seriously expect that a World government is going to allow any sovereignty to individual States, Provinces or Countries?

lol ... If you do, you need to take a hard look at history, and not just the history of the United States.

Centralized government has NEVER worked ultimately for the benefit of the people. It is because of this that the United States was founded on the exact opposing principle: that the federal government is an agent of the States, that government might remain in the peoples' hands. You do not seem to understand that the Constitution of the United States is unique among the existing constitutions on this planet, both in the way it structures government, and in the guarantees of liberty and natural rights that it makes to citizens. It in fact is a thorn in the side of the powers seeking to establish a world government, for those very reasons.

Have you looked at this past presidential election process in the United States? The confusion over fundamental issues? The flip-flopping of the candidates? And what, you want to add into that mix the adjunct and — under a NWO — now relevant issues of the sub-states of the EU, SAU, AU, whatever-U?

I will re-iterate once more: The bigger and more centralized the State, the less your individual voice will count in the political process, and the greater the possibility that you will find yourself under a bureaucrat's thumb, a banker's foot, or a tyrant's whim with no possibility of redress.

Someone wiould benefit from a One World Government, for sure, but it will not be citizens interested in self-governence and individual rights.

Peace

btw, these topics seem to be never ending topics, because, as i said on another thread, you just can't win an honest discussion. Although i see this thread as a way for each of us to spread our philosophies, the continuance of debating whether or not a one world government is the best for the human race is starting to seem pointless. Especially when there's 2 underdogs against a whole army. It's good to know there's still a few out there with a sense of who we really are, and that i'm not alone. Makes me smile, actually.

Peace

 

[Jokerman]

A World State is an idealistic goal that we would wish for, but I don’t see it working on a practical level. At least not at this stage in our evolution. There are just too many cultures and belief systems for any one government to be able to represent all in a satisfactory manner. By what political theory would it be run that everyone would agree with? The United Nations was an attempt at some kind of World State, and even that doesn’t work that well. No, the only way to bring it about is for an elite few to collapse the world economic system and then take power using a puppet, not unlike Obama, to...wait, come to think about, his name was.. it was you. Damn!

(“The morning rain clouds up my window,
and I can't see at all...”)

 

[yak pac fatal]

who is we?

and i agree, the only way thisll happen is if the collapse economy, which is happenin is we speak... the nwo was always planned, if u watch the obama deception vid, u get video footage of the presidents talkin about it. i believe jfk was talkin about secret society runnin america, if u want it ill gladly look for it.

 

[_carmi]

A World State is an idealistic goal that we would wish for, but I don’t see it working on a practical level. At least not at this stage in our evolution. There are just too many cultures and belief systems for any one government to be able to represent all in a satisfactory manner. By what political theory would it be run that everyone would agree with? The United Nations was an attempt at some kind of World State, and even that doesn’t work that well. No, the only way to bring it about is for an elite few to collapse the world economic system and then take power using a puppet, not unlike Obama, to...wait, come to think about, his name was.. it was you. Damn!

(“The morning rain clouds up my window,
and I can't see at all...”)

The UN is flawed because of countries like the USA and Russia. To be more or less democratic, veto should be removed and a lot of the UN's basics must change. The League of Nations failed, the UN is a current failure. What's next?

 

[Bobby Sands]

A World State is an idealistic goal that we would wish for, but I don’t see it working on a practical level. At least not at this stage in our evolution. There are just too many cultures and belief systems for any one government to be able to represent all in a satisfactory manner. By what political theory would it be run that everyone would agree with? The United Nations was an attempt at some kind of World State, and even that doesn’t work that well. No, the only way to bring it about is for an elite few to collapse the world economic system and then take power using a puppet, not unlike Obama, to...wait, come to think about, his name was.. it was you. Damn!

(“The morning rain clouds up my window,
and I can't see at all...”)

wtf. lmao.

 

[arthurrrr]

yo kid
fuck the goverment let have a social revolution!!!!1
GO LENIN GO LENIN GO
Im lenin ahahaha no joke
For real tho, in our time, when everythign is fucking up and people ruled by rich the idea of communism seems very appealing. Only if u read about communism ofcourse. If u dint read any books on communism any ideas that u might have on it is foolish. I recommend lenin: STATE and REVolution book
read it kid. IT will be very intresting to u

 

[_carmi]

Communism is good in theory and on paper. But when applied in real life it is always abused and always ends screwed up.

 

[Duke]

The more central and consolidated a government is, the less an individual's voice will be represented. Under a huge, remote and bureaucratically oriented government you can kiss your personal influence on policy good-bye. Take a look at what is happening now in the European Union. Those poor people are going to find out soon enough all the wonderful benefits of living under the thumb of politically insulated beaurocrats, power mongers, and bankers.

What recourse would citizens or local governments have to fight a tyrannical law? Currently in the United States the Constitution is written so that the federal government is an agent of the States, not the reverse, but the whole trend in recent years is to make the States into agents of the federal government. Do you seriously expect that a World government is going to allow any sovereignty to individual States, Provinces or Countries?

lol ... If you do, you need to take a hard look at history, and not just the history of the United States.

Centralized government has NEVER worked ultimately for the benefit of the people. It is because of this that the United States was founded on the exact opposing principle: that the federal government is an agent of the States, that government might remain in the peoples' hands. You do not seem to understand that the Constitution of the United States is unique among the existing constitutions on this planet, both in the way it structures government, and in the guarantees of liberty and natural rights that it makes to citizens. It in fact is a thorn in the side of the powers seeking to establish a world government, for those very reasons.

Have you looked at this past presidential election process in the United States? The confusion over fundamental issues? The flip-flopping of the candidates? And what, you want to add into that mix the adjunct and — under a NWO — now relevant issues of the sub-states of the EU, SAU, AU, whatever-U?

I will re-iterate once more: The bigger and more centralized the State, the less your individual voice will count in the political process, and the greater the possibility that you will find yourself under a bureaucrat's thumb, a banker's foot, or a tyrant's whim with no possibility of redress.

Someone wiould benefit from a One World Government, for sure, but it will not be citizens interested in self-governence and individual rights.

Peace

btw, these topics seem to be never ending topics, because, as i said on another thread, you just can't win an honest discussion. Although i see this thread as a way for each of us to spread our philosophies, the continuance of debating whether or not a one world government is the best for the human race is starting to seem pointless. Especially when there's 2 underdogs against a whole army. It's good to know there's still a few out there with a sense of who we really are, and that i'm not alone. Makes me smile, actually.

Peace

You wrote a whole essay based on the sole assumption that this world government would operate on more centralized principles than current governments do. Bigger scale does not necessarily equate to more centrallization. You are also assuming that the people in this NWO are by definition evil.

You are assuming the night away.

A World State is an idealistic goal that we would wish for, but I don’t see it working on a practical level. At least not at this stage in our evolution. There are just too many cultures and belief systems for any one government to be able to represent all in a satisfactory manner. By what political theory would it be run that everyone would agree with? The United Nations was an attempt at some kind of World State, and even that doesn’t work that well. No, the only way to bring it about is for an elite few to collapse the world economic system and then take power using a puppet, not unlike Obama, to...wait, come to think about, his name was.. it was you. Damn!

Obviously not right now. Maybe a hundred, two hundred years. Not revolution, evolution.

 

[Duke]

yo kid
fuck the goverment let have a social revolution!!!!1
GO LENIN GO LENIN GO
Im lenin ahahaha no joke
For real tho, in our time, when everythign is fucking up and people ruled by rich the idea of communism seems very appealing. Only if u read about communism ofcourse. If u dint read any books on communism any ideas that u might have on it is foolish. I recommend lenin: STATE and REVolution book
read it kid. IT will be very intresting to u

Lenin was a fool. He forced a revolution when there was none to be had.

 

[Killuminatii 71]

You wrote a whole essay based on the sole assumption that this world government would operate on more centralized principles than current governments do. Bigger scale does not necessarily equate to more centrallization. You are also assuming that the people in this NWO are by definition evil.

You are assuming the night away.

It's only a fraction of what i can write. It's not an essay. I just want to make it as short, and concise for everyone to read.

At the very least, you didn't completely disregard my arguments, because there is some merit to my statement.

Once again, this country (U.S.) was founded on the principle that centralized government would not be a good idea. The reasons for the adoption of the Articles of Confederation in 1781, was because the drafters wanted to create a weak central government. No one wanted their government to have control over them. One of the reason Europeans came to America, was because of a strong central government in europe. The weaknesses of the articles of confederation were that they gave more power to the states and not to the central government, central government wasn't able to pass laws or taxes if all the states did not approve. The only thing government could do was declare war or make peace treaties. There are some things in the Articles of Confederations that are not very appealing, but for the most part, i'm staying within the bounds of the topic of centralized government.

The Articles of Confederation - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Peace