What happens after death?

masta247

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#1
Since there are so few religious people here I wonder - what in your opinion happens with you after death? I don't mean the fact that you die and your body vanishes and that's the end. I mean what happens with your consciousness?

Today while watching tv I noticed something funny. Only 50% of people in my country are religious but more than 77% believe in the concept of hell. Do you believe that your in-life behavior determines what happens to you after your body dies?
 

masta247

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#5
That's a pretty sad thing to believe in.
You believe that this life is the only thing we get? Like, there's nothing after that? Like your life gets cut and that's it?
 

Da_Funk

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#6
That's a pretty sad thing to believe in.
You believe that this life is the only thing we get? Like, there's nothing after that? Like your life gets cut and that's it?
Yes, were no different than any of the other 10's of millions of species that have existed on this planet. I'd like to ask you, why should there be something after life? Why are we so special? Don't say our higher intelligence, please.
 

masta247

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#7
That's what I'm not quite sure about.
Isn't it better to have faith in something more though? Isn't it depressing to think that we're done when we die?
 

Glockmatic

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#8
It's the same in the afterlife as it was before we were born, nothing.

It may depress you, but it gives me a drive to do as much as possible during my life. When you boil it down, the real meaning to life is to pass your genes on. It's the reason you and I and every single living organism is here today, not because we go to a special place afterwards.
 

Snowman

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#9
It's the same in the afterlife as it was before we were born, nothing.

It may depress you, but it gives me a drive to do as much as possible during my life. When you boil it down, the real meaning to life is to pass your genes on. It's the reason you and I and every single living organism is here today, not because we go to a special place afterwards.
:laugh:

WRONG. you amaze me with your know knowledge. it doesnt depress me. cause when i die my soul will float out of my body and i'll be heaven. (There is a afterlife einstein.)

no one knows the true meaning of life. but i see you got it figured out. tell me genius why arent you giving lectures at universities instead of posting on a message board?
 

Sebastian

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#11
:laugh:

WRONG. you amaze me with your know knowledge. it doesnt depress me. cause when i die my soul will float out of my body and i'll be heaven. (There is a afterlife einstein.)

no one knows the true meaning of life. but i see you got it figured out. tell me genius why arent you giving lectures at universities instead of posting on a message board?
Thats because you believe in an afterlife, monkey. Learn how to read.
 

Da_Funk

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#12
That's what I'm not quite sure about.
Isn't it better to have faith in something more though? Isn't it depressing to think that we're done when we die?
No, it gives me the drive to make the most of my time on this planet. You wanna talk about depressing? How about spending your life dedicated to a fable created ~2000 years ago, just so that when you die you can go to a better place. To me, that waste of life is depressing.

Masta, you seem like you're a smart guy, watch this movie, or at least the first part and tell me what you think

Zeitgeist - The Movie

I'm not saying its the truth, but it is interesting and quite a bit of it does check out.


:laugh:

WRONG. you amaze me with your know knowledge. it doesnt depress me. cause when i die my soul will float out of my body and i'll be heaven. (There is a afterlife einstein.)

no one knows the true meaning of life. but i see you got it figured out. tell me genius why arent you giving lectures at universities instead of posting on a message board?
I think you're an alright guy man, but seriously? This is your response?
 

masta247

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#13
Yeah I watched it. To me it's like watching a movie about some conspiracy theories + much more depressing. Some things in it are true and obvious though.

See, sometimes I think it's much better to believe in something that is worth a lot to you.
After all most of your goals in life seem to suck some time after you achieve them. Nothing is as is seems to be. You can be a multimillionaire spending time on hawaii beach surrounded by your girls and after a short time you'll find out that it's not as good as you thought it'd be. I think it's good to see things differently and have faith in something more.
When you're a kid you watch cartoons, believe that world is so awesome, you're kept away from reality and that's how the world is so beautiful. The conclusion is that even if it's not true it's so cool to live it. When you grow you see that everything is not so sweet and things start to suck for you. Maybe you feel being lied to but you miss the times when you believed in what they told you - that the world is a beautiful place. Wouldn't you rather keep believing? And what if it turned out that it's true and that the sad and bad world you 'experienced' as you grew up or other people made you believe is a lie?
 

Jokerman

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#14
You believe that this life is the only thing we get? Like, there's nothing after that?
You make it sound like there's a difference between us and our life. "The only thing we get." But if there is no difference, then your disappointment might be the result of making such a distinction. And if this life is the only thing, then it's an everything, not an only thing. Why so negative?

There's also an assumption, on almost everyone's part, that if there is an afterlife, it would be better than this one. Or it would make the death of this one not so bad. But why should we assume it's better? Because religion tells us so? Because we wish and hope? None of that should be used as a basis for reality. It prevents us from living in the present by wasting time dreaming about a nonexistent heaven. If people didn’t have religious hope in something better after life, they might actually make something out of the life they already do have.

Also, it may in fact be worse. You're a disembodied mind cut off from everyone you know and everything you're familiar with, if not in some type of hell. And that would make the death of this life worse than if there were no afterlife. Think about it. Could you take being cut off from everyone and everything you're familiar with even while alive? Would that be a good thing? Yet we assume it would somehow be all right once we died. So why the hope for it? We're not justified in hoping there's an afterlife, since rationally there's more chance of it being worse than life as there is of it being better.
 

THEV1LL4N

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#15
Yes, were no different than any of the other 10's of millions of species that have existed on this planet. I'd like to ask you, why should there be something after life? Why are we so special? Don't say our higher intelligence, please.
how do you know that those other species didnt have a life after death? just because their physical form is extinct - doesnt mean that because they arent here on earth with us they arent anywhere else in any other form.
 

masta247

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#16
Yes, sometimes I think 'what if this life is just a small element of us'.

Also, about the afterlife being worse:
Most people believe that the afterlife is something totally different. A world where our 'earthy logic' doesn't apply. Because why should it? If everything we learned here based on earthy experiences apply to this world we live in right now. So it wouldn't be like our disembodied soul flying somewhere lonely in the universe. No matter how stupid it might sound - what if it disappeared to a different dimension?
Like Einstein said - God is something or somebody that's too complicated to understand for us. This world might be only an element of a much bigger being. What if everything we did here simply didn't matter? What if those friendships and love in our life only applies to our life on earth and an afterlife having totally different, non existent in this life value system?
Different things entertaining us, different needs.
If our laws of physics, elements and psychology didn't exist. If everything would be so different that we can't even imagine on the earthy level?
I believe that's what Einstein meant when he said that a human trying to understand God is like a child entering the biggest library full of books he can't understand.

Also there's something I've been always wondering - why am I being me? Why do I have soul, why am I conscious and am aware that I am me?
Why I'm not John A. or Antony C. It's sometimes hard to believe that it's normal - it makes me think that some higher being placed me in this body right here and told me to do what I want to.
Sure my logic and my knowledge make me think otherwise. Everything I do to my body also affects my mind making it quite clear that 'me' is just a small element of my brain that can get damaged or die if it won't get oxygen and carbohydrates for some period of time.
It makes me stuck thinking and analyzing everything till my thoughts are in a contradiction.
 

S O F I

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#18
Yes, sometimes I think 'what if this life is just a small element of us'.

Also, about the afterlife being worse:
Most people believe that the afterlife is something totally different. A world where our 'earthy logic' doesn't apply. Because why should it? If everything we learned here based on earthy experiences apply to this world we live in right now. So it wouldn't be like our disembodied soul flying somewhere lonely in the universe. No matter how stupid it might sound - what if it disappeared to a different dimension?
Like Einstein said - God is something or somebody that's too complicated to understand for us. This world might be only an element of a much bigger being. What if everything we did here simply didn't matter? What if those friendships and love in our life only applies to our life on earth and an afterlife having totally different, non existent in this life value system?
Different things entertaining us, different needs.
If our laws of physics, elements and psychology didn't exist. If everything would be so different that we can't even imagine on the earthy level?
I believe that's what Einstein meant when he said that a human trying to understand God is like a child entering the biggest library full of books he can't understand.

Also there's something I've been always wondering - why am I being me? Why do I have soul, why am I conscious and am aware that I am me?
Why I'm not John A. or Antony C. It's sometimes hard to believe that it's normal - it makes me think that some higher being placed me in this body right here and told me to do what I want to.
Sure my logic and my knowledge make me think otherwise. Everything I do to my body also affects my mind making it quite clear that 'me' is just a small element of my brain that can get damaged or die if it won't get oxygen and carbohydrates for some period of time.
It makes me stuck thinking and analyzing everything till my thoughts are in a contradiction.
Keep wondering, polack.
 

Jokerman

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#19
We can also look at this question of death differently. Death is an everyday experience if we pay attention to it. We live in a culture that fears death and hides from it. Nevertheless, we experience it all the time. We experience it in the form of disappointment, in the form of things not working out. We experience it in the form of things always in a process of change. When the day ends, when the second ends, when we breathe out, that’s death in everyday life.

Practice dying before dying. Breathing in and breathing out can itself be a practice of death. Relax with the present moment, relax with death, not resisting the fact that things end, that things pass, that everything is changing all the time. If you do this, when death comes you will not be such strangers. To live is to be willing to die over and over again. I’m always letting go of things, people, ideas, so I can bring in new ones. I die to the old ones.

All life is a part of a rhythmic cycle which coincides with the cycle of the natural world. A cycle of fertilization, birth, youth, maturity, death, and rebirth. Not only so-called “living beings” but all beings undergo this pattern of living and dying, and resurrecting. I’m speaking of stars, of suns, of galaxies. Each has their lifetime in which they strut their stuff. But it seems to come to an end for all of them. But their endtime is not final. Rather, they resurrect in a new form. They don’t just disappear. They give off progeny. Supernova explosions unleash atoms and galaxies and stars, which in turn give birth to such as us: earth with its amazing collection of life forms. If this is not resurrection or rebirth, what is?

And is evolution not a story of reincarnation? Might we not say that every incarnation is a kind of reincarnation because all being is some kind of recycling of being? Life itself seems to reincarnate in form after form, with new perceptions or types of consciousness. The human condition can be seen as our shared incarnation, part of our evolutionary karma. Within nine months we develop from a single cell to a complex mammal. We share more than ninety-eight percent of our genes with chimpanzees, sweat fluids reminiscent of seawater, and crave sugar that provided our one-celled ancestors with energy three billion years ago. We carry our past with us.

As I look more closely, I can see that in a former life I was a cloud. And I was a rock. I was the sun. I still am these things, and so are you. This is not poetry; it’s science. This is not a question of belief in reincarnation. This is the history of life on earth.
 

masta247

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#20
I really enjoyed this post. It clearly shows things in a logical way. The point is - where is a place for our consciousness?
From my point of view it's hard to picture what would be if I wasn't me. For example if I didn't exist. The first thing that comes to my mind is me seeing nothing - the blackness of nothing because that's how I picture nothing from my experience. But I wouldn't see blackness because there wouldn't even be me. Time, thoughts, any knowledge or space wouldn't exist.
The thought of it is kind of creeping me out.
If I would be seriously ill and about to die and the only though I had is that soon there will be nothing, I will perish and my consciousness will never exist any more. That I will never live again. That would be probably the worst thing that could happen to me. I'd rather die with a thought of some kind of afterlife. If it wasn't there then I wouldn't even regret because I wouldn't exist any more.

I can imagine our kind to reach a certain point of evolution when we will be intelligent enough to be too depressed to live, seeing that the only point of life is to evolve further. Is it even going somewhere, or is it just a race without a finish? Or a finish line is our extermination?

Also does it mean that in an unlimited time (considering that our universe is not limited by time) there's also an unlimited amount of consciousnesses and that the same consciousness will not ever reoccur (like in a traditional concept of reincarnation)?

No matter how much I think about it I think that we as a human kind are limited to our earthy experiences and no matter how much we will try we can't get past it. There's nobody who already experienced death and nobody who remembers what happened before they were born.
Religious people who experienced clinical death say that they saw some kind of afterlife though. My grandfather who is not religious experienced clinical death after a heart attack and said that it was the best feeling he ever had. He said that he saw the light and faded away to it.
No matter what though, nobody can say what is after that.
 

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