Do You Believe In God?

[dillaxx]

I just had a discussion with a friend last night about this, and coming from the North to the South, it's definitely something I have to be cautious about.

Most people down here are Christian, Baptist or Presbyterian mostly, so when they see a brown kid the wonder about what I believe in. I really don't feel like typing much right now, but I'll just say this, there's really no way to discuss it on this forum, let alone in real life, without in the end, not coming to a conclusion. You definitely have some more food for thought, but you still won't come out with a definite answer.

If you try and disprove the existence of a God using science, well, you can't. If we were to use the scientific method to try and disprove it, there are people that have experienced one of two things things; a sign that there is a God with them or no experience that there's a God with them. Using the scientific method, that totally invalidates both arguments.

Maybe it's just something that we never find out. How do we know there is a God, but even when we die, we never see him? Who says we see our "maker" when we're done?

 

[PaulyPac]

No, No and No

 

[THEV1LL4N]

Since you didn't bring any arguments for your point that god cares, why argue that point any further? Therefore, its closed.



God sure isn't giving strength to the kids who starve to death. He/she must only love the rich countries

my point is - who else could create mental and spiritual existence, because the mind and soul are not actually phyiscal. it is understandable to say that the eart, which is physical in its entity, was created beacause of the big bang or whatever your belief is on that.

 

[Sebastian]

wow so many atheists here.

One thing is for sure - discussion between atheists and religious people never made any sense. I always avoid threads like this - you won't learn anything except the fact that both sides are extremely ignorant in this matter.

Oh please, it hurts reading this.

I don't like to repeat myself but I will say this again for your benefit. It is not a fact that God doesn't care. It is your opinion.

You make no sense. Re-read what Glock and Preach said.

i interpret this question as 'do you believe in a noun?' - language plays many tricks, and it is a poets playground. god is a noun, do you believe in a noun, do you even know what a noun is or how to interpret it?

This was the most useless post in this whole thread.

 

[Sebastian]

If you try and disprove the existence of a God using science, well, you can't. If we were to use the scientific method to try and disprove it, there are people that have experienced one of two things things; a sign that there is a God with them or no experience that there's a God with them. Using the scientific method, that totally invalidates both arguments.

As someone who believes in God, you (not you personally, you = believer) should be more concerned about finding some piece of "proof" (or whatever you want to call it) that he really does exist.

It doesnt need to be a material thing or a sign he sends you, it would enough for the start if someone could come up with a flawless theory as in who God is, what he can do, what he did, bla bla. Because whatever christianity, judaism, etc. say, its far from logic and therefore highly highly doubtful.

Who says we see our "maker" when we're done?

They holy books say it, dont they?

So, in other words, if we were to put this idea of yours into the real world we have now. God aside, if great knowledge were to be shared with you, and you did wrong with it. It wouldn't be your fault, it's the fault of the man who shared the knowledge with you in the first place.

Sounds like psychological projection to me.

Nearly forgot to reply to this:

Your anaolgy with the person sharing great knowledge with me is only a fitting one if the person knew i would misuse it afterwards. He knew what would happen, what i would do.

Of course he would be the one to blame.

PS: LOL@Jokermans comment.

 

[masta247]

If it's 'words of wisdom' then this thread doesn't fit here. Threads like this always are dumb. If you can't prove or disprove something you can't discuss it - simple mathematic logic.
You cant' say that something is not true if you can't find at least one way to disprove it, you also can't prove it - that's where your faith comes in. You either believe or not. You can't say if it exists or not. So what's the point in convincing the other side? Religious people are confindent about their belief, atheists are ignorant and try to tell them that they are wrong pulling in their uneducated logic. It gets pretty annoying.
If God was proven nobody would ask a question if you believe or not. That's the thing - it's not proven or disproven. Period.
Many intelligent people believe in God, most geniuses and successful ones do. So wtf does it have to do with smartness?

Personally it's also against my logic, against my sense and all that. I don't follow any religion though I was raised in one. I'm in between and probably that's why those threads annoy me.
Religion discussions are the most stupid things untill they'll come up with some new 'evidence'.

 

[Da_Funk]

Look. Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and science are ALL attempts to explain the world around us and why it is the way it is. Science just happens to be the most verifiable one, which is why people like me accept it. For me to believe something I need proof of it, I can't just take someones word or go on "faith".

If faith works for you, than good for you. I don't care what anyone believes as long as they don't try and push it on others. Or talk about it like its fact.

 

[Sebastian]

If it's 'words of wisdom' then this thread doesn't fit here. Threads like this always are dumb. If you can't prove or disprove something you can't discuss it - simple mathematic logic.

Wtf? You can discuss many things such as love without being able to prove it in a scientific way, which you are aiming at.

You cant' say that something is not true if you can't find at least one way to disprove it, you also can't prove it - that's where your faith comes in. You either believe or not. You can't say if it exists or not. So what's the point in convincing the other side?

Dont make it seem to be as easy as this because it surely isnt. Religious people do not just claim the existence of God, they claim way more than this. They claim to know what he did in the past, what hes able to do and so on.

If it would be just about the this one question, does he exist or not, sure there would be not much left to argue about. But you and i know very well that this is not the case.

You, not you personally but in general, come up with a bogus idea about some omnipotent being somwhere or nowhere in the universe, watching over us, etc. and then you say "well, its faith, there is nothing to discuss". Of course there is!

The concept of your personal belief, for example. Im not just arguing about the possibility of him existing or not, im also arguing about the non-existing logic behind "your" belief in Gods existence, with all his power and the way everything works.

Just because you make it a faith issue doesnt mean its immune to the certain criteria we apply to any other daily discussions to figure out if something makes sense or not.

You can say "well, everything i said makes no sense but i still believe in it". Thats what you can do and there is no one that can stop you from doing it. It still remains to be stupid though.

 

[Glockmatic]

If it's 'words of wisdom' then this thread doesn't fit here. Threads like this always are dumb. If you can't prove or disprove something you can't discuss it - simple mathematic logic.
You cant' say that something is not true if you can't find at least one way to disprove it, you also can't prove it - that's where your faith comes in. You either believe or not. You can't say if it exists or not. So what's the point in convincing the other side? Religious people are confindent about their belief, atheists are ignorant and try to tell them that they are wrong pulling in their uneducated logic. It gets pretty annoying.
If God was proven nobody would ask a question if you believe or not. That's the thing - it's not proven or disproven. Period.
Many intelligent people believe in God, most geniuses and successful ones do. So wtf does it have to do with smartness?

Personally it's also against my logic, against my sense and all that. I don't follow any religion though I was raised in one. I'm in between and probably that's why those threads annoy me.
Religion discussions are the most stupid things untill they'll come up with some new 'evidence'.

We can't disprove elves and orcs either. If someone said to you "Yeah I believe in Elves, care to disprove it?" how would you react? Would you respect that persons belief?

 

[yak pac fatal]

yessir i do

 

[Tekneek]

I'm not religious, but I do beleive in God. I just don't believe God should be personified, like most religious seem to do.

 

[Sebastian]

Then what exactly is god for you?

 

[THEV1LL4N]

Do you believe God exists or not? so what way do you think of it?

God exists and you believe in him?
God exists and you dont believe in him?
God doesnt exist and you dont believe in him?
God doesnt exist and you believe in him? (this one doesnt make sense)

when i say believe, i mean as in worship and have faith in him.

 

[Jokerman]

Even God is an athiest.

God: "I no longer believe in myself. Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris have convinced me of my non-existence.

 

[Da_Funk]

You guys should check out this film when you have some spare time, believers and non believes a like. I'm not saying its complete truth but it brings up a lot of interesting points.


Zeitgeist - The Movie

 

[Bender]

god is a concept

 

[Flipmo]

We can't disprove elves and orcs either. If someone said to you "Yeah I believe in Elves, care to disprove it?" how would you react? Would you respect that persons belief?

Oh bullshit, everyone knows Elves and Orcs were extinct during the great war.

 

[Duke]

Yes, I'm a fervent believer and follower of Hermes.

 

[TecK NeeX]

...and God certainly knew the so called concept of free-will wouldnt work and that people would cause major trouble all over the globe. He still chose to "create" it this way and therefore, without a doubt, is he responsible for all the fucked up things in the world.

It's a fact that the element of good is more in Gods creation than the element of evil. We all see that there are more people who are healthy than those who are sick. There are more that eat well than those who starve. There are more that lead a decent life than those who commit crimes. There are more who are law abiding than those who are not, There are more who oppose war than those who are for it.

So what are you talking about it doesnt work? Ignorance allows one to see one side of the coin and not see the other side

And why should God intervene? Are we not capable of dealing with our own problems and issues? Why must we rely on God? If he did intervene what would the purpose of Judgement day(trial), Heaven(freedom) and Hell(prison) be? Why do you think they are their awaiting us for? For that sole purpose, to be tried for our crimes and goodness

It would certainly contradict the whole purpose of this life. If God intervened we would be no more than prisoners, afraid of what are next move will be or else suffer the consequence. we'd have no freewill whatsoever. I dont need God to hold my hand and show me the right path, so why should anyone of us? Why is he to blame for what we do? Why is he responsible?We'll all be judged for what we did in this life, We'll all be sent to trial for questioning. Some will be given freedom and some will suffer for their actions. God is just.

Hundreds of millions of needless deaths which could have been averted with a simple snap of the fingers.

LOL. Seriously.. Do you need mommy and daddy to show you whats right and wrong?

Hundreds of millions of people could have been saved if those who are/were responsible stopped for a second and said "Hey maybe this is not the right course of action". God GAVE us that ability to do so yet WE chose not to.

 

[Duke]

It's a fact that the element of good is more in Gods creation than the element of evil. We all see that there are more people who are healthy than those who are sick. There are more that eat well than those who starve. There are more that lead a decent life than those who commit crimes. There are more who are law abiding than those who are not, There are more who oppose war than those who are for it.

So what are you talking about it doesnt work? Ignorance allows one to see one side of the coin and not see the other side

And why should God intervene? Are we not capable of dealing with our own problems and issues? Why must we rely on God? If he did intervene what would the purpose of Judgement day(trial), Heaven(freedom) and Hell(prison) be? Why do you think they are their awaiting us for? For that sole purpose, to be tried for our crimes and goodness

It would certainly contradict the whole purpose of this life. If God intervened we would be no more than prisoners, afraid of what are next move will be or else suffer the consequence. we'd have no freewill whatsoever. I dont need God to hold my hand and show me the right path, so why should anyone of us? Why is he to blame for what we do? Why is he responsible?We'll all be judged for what we did in this life, We'll all be sent to trial for questioning. Some will be given freedom and some will suffer for their actions. God is just.




LOL. Seriously.. Do you need mommy and daddy to show you whats right and wrong?

Hundreds of millions of people could have been saved if those who are/were responsible stopped for a second and said "Hey maybe this is not the right course of action". God GAVE us that ability to do so yet WE chose not to.

So let's say I die. Age 68, I've been a good man. I took care of my family, I nurtured my friends, I gave the odd beggar some coins to buy fried chicken. I ticked all the boxes for being a good human.

Yet I didn't "believe" in your God.

Would I make your heaven?