Do You Believe In God?

Do you believe in God?

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    0

Flipmo

VIP Member
Staff member
#81
...and God certainly knew the so called concept of free-will wouldnt work and that people would cause major trouble all over the globe. He still chose to "create" it this way and therefore, without a doubt, is he responsible for all the fucked up things in the world.
So, in other words, if we were to put this idea of yours into the real world we have now. God aside, if great knowledge were to be shared with you, and you did wrong with it. It wouldn't be your fault, it's the fault of the man who shared the knowledge with you in the first place.

Sounds like psychological projection to me.

By the way, I'll try and reply to each post one at a time, cause I'm having trouble multiquoting. I'm gay like that... *giggles like a school girl*
 

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
#82
We wernt there around the time. we can hypothesise an explanation. we could say that they wernt actually gods, but were sent from god.
 

Flipmo

VIP Member
Staff member
#84
But we have no free will if god is omnipotent (which the monotheistic faiths claim god is). If god knows all and sees all we're already on a course we cannot change.
Omnipotent means unlimited power, which yes, is what monotheistic faiths do claim. Free will can just be a manifestation of the so called unlimited power.

What I'm trying to say, just because you have unlimited power, doesn't mean you'll start doing what the hell you want. Here's a modern idea. Not the best, but it will do as a general theme.

Superman, lol. He has superhuman strength, he technically has unlimited power, but he uses it as he pleases. Technically, homie can blow up the world if he pleases, but he doesn't.

Didn't chronic quote the great Uncle of Spiderman, with great power comes great responsibility. It's one of those moments.

Maybe I'm not getting the message clear as to what you mean exactly, if not, gimme a heads up lol

PS: I don't like superman, he's a bitch superhero.
 

Glockmatic

Well-Known Member
#85
We wernt there around the time. we can hypothesise an explanation. we could say that they wernt actually gods, but were sent from god.
We don't need to hypothesize anything, we know that they were deities because their stories survived to this day. Every civilization in history has had their own religion, some are still practiced while others have died off. God sent gods to tell the aztecs to sacrifice humans to bring in good crops? Nice god.
 

masta247

Well-Known Member
Staff member
#86
wow so many atheists here.

One thing is for sure - discussion between atheists and religious people never made any sense. I always avoid threads like this - you won't learn anything except the fact that both sides are extremely ignorant in this matter.
 

Prize Gotti

Boots N Cats
Staff member
#87
Don't get me wrong, I do believe that the teaching of religion are right. But we have the intelligence to learn these things without having to believe in beings who physically exist in only documented form.

When the day comes that I am actually able to see with my own eyes, an act of "God" or any God, that can not be proven by any scientific means, I will gladly change my opinions.

Until then, I'm happy with the fact that I know the difference between right and wrong, good and evil.
 

Flipmo

VIP Member
Staff member
#88
"With great power, comes great responsibility" Uncle Ben, Jeremiah 10:2-4

Sure there's the concept of free will but that doesn't take away God's accountability. If I put convicted child molestors in a room with children and they get raped I'm still to blame, regardless of the free will those molestors exerted, I enabled the situation. God saw how evil we were and even planned to eradicate all life because of this. That's not an answer as to why God should intervene but at that point he was going to so surely there must be a reason? God created mankind and the wickedness that came with us so to me that makes Him responsible. The people making bad choices are also to blame but they couldn't have done any of it without God's help.

FlipMo your lottery ticket analogy is faulty. In your analogy the only variables are 1) cash the ticket 2) don't cash the ticket. Since you're not the only one with free will you can make the "right" choice and decide to cash the ticket but that doesn't stop someone else from exerting their free will and robbing you. Someone who received this very power from God. Different people receive different tickets as well. Still-born babies were not handed a ticket at all. The introduction of religion is more along the lines of an advertisement for the lottery rather than being handed a winning ticket. And since only 1 religion can be right it also leaves room for buying a ticket from a lottery that falsely advertises rewards.

Don't feel like going any further into this but just because there's a "concept" or an idea behind the way the world is doesn't mean this concept is automatically justified.
Now Chronic.

I knew you'd show up and give me a run for my money. lol. You also brought up certain things that I can't even answer... But I'll start from the top and answer to the best of my personal opinion and ability...

This wickedness God put into people from the beginning of time, say Adam and Eve just for the sake of argument, wasn't manifested by God. Technically, the snake (IE, Devil, so it is said) tricked Eve into biting it.

I don't want to get too into theology, because the snake represents something more complicated that has to do with the jealousy of angels. (This will get some eyes rolling lol.)

Now, I do understand what you mean in a general sense. Why would someone all mighty give us the opportunity to create such evil? Like your pedophilia/children example. We're given a choice to do good or bad, some do good others bad. I like to think we're tested on those choices. I guess this is where the heaven or hell concept comes into place. Do good for yourself and others, you will have a place among the elite in heaven, do bad, and sit by the devil.

Also, personally, I don't like shifting blame for my actions. If I put a pedo in a room with kids, even I know the consequences of my actions. I'm as responsible as the next guy who knows about it, but does nothing. I'm given say this knowledge of the danger of putting both together, so my best move would be to stop it from happening, and keeping each apart. Knowledge to do good.

The lottery ticket use was just a broad comparison example, and I don't believe only 1 religion is right. I think all religions are intertwined.

As for the rest, now you're getting philosophical on my ass. lol. I would love to get into it sometime, but at the moment, I have American 2nd great awakening stuck in my head.

Oh, as for the babies not given a ticket at all. I assume you are speaking about babies that have died right after birth/prematurely.

To be honest, even I do not know how to explain that. This where a leap of faith takes place. The whole idea that God works in mysterious ways. I've spent a lot of time thinking about it, and I'm still stuck on it. I guess sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Sorry, if I'm not clear on something. Like I said, haven't been sleeping much as of late. Finals...

So lemme know if you need clearing up.
 

Rahim

VIP Member
Staff member
#89
in congo, children, soldiers, are given viagra and cocaine to go out and rape and kill people. they have no goal with this, they just want to spread terror. some women have their breasts cut off with machetes so they can't feed their babies. a doctor recently won some prize for recreating some girls' anuses and vaginas because they had been raped so bad their groins were utterly messed. some women are raped and then shot in the groin with a rifle. others are raped and killed. even thought they are being raped against their will, it's considered a form of adultery, and they are outcasted for being dirty. half the female population has been raped. i doubt half the population committed sins against god that warranted this sort of punishment, so i have to assume he doesn't care. it's not an opinion, it's a very statistical fact. and i have just mentioned one out of many countries.
Before you go off on a tangent (or seeing as you already have), it is not a fact that God doesn't care. It is an opinion that God doesn't care.
 

Rahim

VIP Member
Staff member
#90
Tens of millions of american natives slaughtered
19 million dead in world war 1
72 million dead in world war 2
2 million people die from malaria every year
25,000 people die everyday from starvation

The list can go on, those numbers aren't opinions they're fact. If god cared he/she would come down and say "Guys, stop it." or "Here, I'll help."
I don't like to repeat myself but I will say this again for your benefit. It is not a fact that God doesn't care. It is your opinion.
 

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
#95
God gives us strength when we need it most. we have mental capabilities which were given by God's creation. how can science alone have created physical matter such as earth to mental power within the mind? im stating that the mind is not physical, but the brain is (physiological).
 

Glockmatic

Well-Known Member
#96
Since you didn't bring any arguments for your point that god cares, why argue that point any further? Therefore, its closed.

God gives us strength when we need it most. we have mental capabilities which were given by God's creation. how can science alone have created physical matter such as earth to mental power within the mind? im stating that the mind is not physical, but the brain is (physiological).
God sure isn't giving strength to the kids who starve to death. He/she must only love the rich countries
 

Da_Funk

Well-Known Member
#97
God gives us strength when we need it most. we have mental capabilities which were given by God's creation. how can science alone have created physical matter such as earth to mental power within the mind? im stating that the mind is not physical, but the brain is (physiological).
lol and you're in university?
 

Latest posts

Donate

Any donations will be used to help pay for the site costs, and anything donated above will be donated to C-Dub's son on behalf of this community.

Members online

No members online now.
Top