Are you fucking kidding me?

Duke

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#1
Palin hits Obama for 'terrorist' connection - CNN.com


Even for American politics, this has to be a new low. I mean, seriously, what the hell? Did she just accuse him of associating with terrorists? Excuse me? lol? This would be un thinkable talk anywhere else in Europe. Fuck, even Italians aren't this bad or low-to-the-ground.

This Palin woman keeps sliding further downward into the big hole of blessed ignorance.

I can't believe you poor Americans have such clowns running for high profile politicians. McCain is actually okay, imo. He's a gentleman with a plan and a vision. One may disagree with the plan but he has a goal at least. But this Palin woman is just an affront.
 

S O F I

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#3
The election is less than a month away and the McCain campaign is fearing losing some key republican strongholds, not to mention that this three-week financial crisis focus in the election has worked almost exclusively in Obama's favor. They're desperate to turn the focus away from the economic crisis and attack Obama and his credentials. It was a low blow on Palin's part and I disagree with it. I think it will backfire.
 

PuffnScruff

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#6
Palin hits Obama for 'terrorist' connection - CNN.com


Even for American politics, this has to be a new low. I mean, seriously, what the hell? Did she just accuse him of associating with terrorists? Excuse me? lol? This would be un thinkable talk anywhere else in Europe. Fuck, even Italians aren't this bad or low-to-the-ground.

This Palin woman keeps sliding further downward into the big hole of blessed ignorance.

I can't believe you poor Americans have such clowns running for high profile politicians. McCain is actually okay, imo. He's a gentleman with a plan and a vision. One may disagree with the plan but he has a goal at least. But this Palin woman is just an affront.
If you bothered to read the article you would see that she is talking about his association, which he has down played, with Bill Ayers...a terrorist. It is no secret that Ayers is a known terrorst who killed innocent people. Obama used to work with him and Ayers started Obama's political career by throwing him a party in Ayer's home. This is public knowledge.
 

Jeremy

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#7
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Although the bomb that rocked the Pentagon was itsy-bitsy - weighing close to two pounds - it caused 'tens of thousands of dollars' of damage. The operation cost under $500, and no one was killed or even hurt.
"We weren't terrorists," Ayers told an interviewer for the Chicago Tribune in 2001. "The reason we weren't terrorists is because we did not commit random acts of terror against people. Terrorism was what was being practiced in the countryside of Vietnam by the United States."[3] In a letter to the editor in the Chicago Tribune, Ayers wrote, "I condemn all forms of terrorism — individual, group and official". He also condemned the September 11 terrorist attacks in that letter. "Today we are witnessing crimes against humanity on our own shores on an unthinkable scale, and I fear that we may soon see more innocent people in other parts of the world dying in response.
Riot and bomb conspiracy charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974, and he is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago.
 

S O F I

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#8
If you bothered to read the article you would see that she is talking about his association, which he has down played, with Bill Ayers...a terrorist. It is no secret that Ayers is a known terrorst who killed innocent people. Obama used to work with him and Ayers started Obama's political career by throwing him a party in Ayer's home. This is public knowledge.
If you bothered to read the fact check and the New York times article which Palin quoted, you'd come to the conclusion that they have no real association. The New York Times article came to that conclusion.

In the end, it doesn't matter, because I'm getting the 20 bucks you owe me come November.
 

Duke

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#9
Yeah, real menace to society there, Puff. Blood of thousands on his hands. Real murderer. Dangerous guy.
 

Glockmatic

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#10
If you bothered to read the article you would see that she is talking about his association, which he has down played, with Bill Ayers...a terrorist. It is no secret that Ayers is a known terrorst who killed innocent people. Obama used to work with him and Ayers started Obama's political career by throwing him a party in Ayer's home. This is public knowledge.
Ayers never killed anyone. Bill Ayer's was brought up during the democratic nominee race and was shot down. Bill O'Reilly also brought it up when Obama was interviewed on his show and was shot down. It's downplayed because it has no relevance. From Factcheck.org

"In fact, nobody died as a result of bombings in which Ayers said he participated as part of the Weather Underground, at the New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, in a men's lavatory in the Capitol building in 1971 and in a women's restroom in the Pentagon in 1972. The deaths to which Clinton referred were of three Weather Underground members who died when their own "bomb factory" exploded in a Greenwich Village townhouse on March 6, 1970. Ayers was not present. Also, two police officers were murdered in connection with the robbery of a Brinks armored car by Weather Underground members in 1981. That was about a year after Ayers had turned himself in and after all charges against him had been dropped."
 

Jokerman

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#11
Obama served on two nonprofit boards with Ayers who lived in the same neighborhood. Obama's not going to investigate everyone's history who has anything to do with anything Obama is involved in. The man is a history professor not wanted by the police. That's all he needed to know.

Meanwhile, McCain has a war criminal and mass murderer, Henry Kissinger, as an adviser.
 

Glockmatic

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#12
Lets play the association game.


"This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said “has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.”

Now, that's not John McCain, I don't think he is that. But you know, the problem is that a lot of people know John McCain’s record better than Governor Palin. And he does not want to play guilt by association or this thing could blow up in his face."
 

ARon

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#13
How Obama keeps his cool through all of this amazes me. Everyone expects him to finally blow and tell McCain and company what the fuck is up but it's not gonna happen, dude just has too much class... or fears losing a single vote. Either way it's on some David Blaine mind over matter type shit lol. I just want to see Obama have a "Nigga moment." Just once, please just once, preferrably after SOFI wins $20 though.
 

The.Menace

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#14
How Obama keeps his cool through all of this amazes me. Everyone expects him to finally blow and tell McCain and company what the fuck is up but it's not gonna happen, dude just has too much class
right. He has too much class and he's not going to fire back the way they want him to. All they have left in the tank is provocation.
 

ill-matic

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#15
If you bothered to read the article you would see that she is talking about his association, which he has down played, with Bill Ayers...a terrorist. It is no secret that Ayers is a known terrorst who killed innocent people. Obama used to work with him and Ayers started Obama's political career by throwing him a party in Ayer's home. This is public knowledge.
show me a link to where it says he killed people.
 

Glockmatic

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#16
Obama campaign released a video (in response to Palin's terrorist comments?) about McCain's ties in the Keating Five.

Keating Economics

It's 13 minutes long so if you don't have the time to watch it (you really should) here what it says.

Points the documentary makes:
Lack of regulation led to the S&L crisis and the subprime mortgage crisis
McCain is for deregulation
McCain took bribes on behalf of a Lender to ensure deregulation
Didn't speak out against his choices
And most importantly, poor judgement.
 

PuffnScruff

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#17
If you bothered to read the fact check and the New York times article which Palin quoted, you'd come to the conclusion that they have no real association. The New York Times article came to that conclusion.

In the end, it doesn't matter, because I'm getting the 20 bucks you owe me come November.
That NYT article contradicted itself.
It tried to be a fluff and buff article on Obama but there were things in it that showed they have known each other for many years.

"It was later in 1995 that Mr. Ayers and Ms. Dohrn hosted the gathering, in their town house three blocks from Mr. Obama's home, at which State Senator Alice J. Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced Mr. Obama to a few Democratic friends as her chosen successor. "
"A review of records of the schools project and interviews with a dozen people who know both men, suggest that Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. "

"He said they have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Mr. Obama began serving in the United States Senate in January 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they bumped into each other on the street in Hyde Park. "

Close-up on juvenile justice

This is just one example of Obama and Ayers having an association.

It is completely silly to say they don't have an association when Ayers threw a fundraiser for Obama in his own home that started Obama's political career.

"In 1995, State Senator Alice Palmer introduced her chosen successor, Barack Obama, to a few of the district's influential liberals at the home of two well known figures on the local left: William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. While Ayers and Dohrn may be thought of in Hyde Park as local activists, they're better known nationally as two of the most notorious -- and unrepentant -- figures from the violent fringe of the 1960s anti-war movement. ... 'I can remember being one of a small group of people who came to Bill Ayers' house to learn that Alice Palmer was stepping down from the senate and running for Congress,' said Dr. Quentin Young, a prominent Chicago physician and advocate for single-payer health care, of the info rmal gathering at the home of Ayers and his wife, Dohrn. '[Palmer] identified [Obama] as her successor.' ... Dr. Young and another guest, Maria Warren, described it similarly: as an introduction to Hyde Park liberals of the handpicked successor to Palmer, a well-regarded figure on the left. 'When I first met Barack Obama, he was giving a standard, innocuous little talk in the living room of those two legends-in-their-own-minds, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn,' Warren wrote on her blog in 2005. 'They were launching him -- introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.'" (Ben Smith, "Obama Once Visited '60s Radicals," The Politico, 1/22/08)

They have both attended more than half a dozen meeting on the relating to the Annenburg foundation over two years time.

"[Obama And Ayers] Have Also Appeared Jointly On Two Academic Panels, One In 1997 And Another In 2001." (Russell Berman, "Obama's Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny," The New York Sun, 2/19/08)

From 1999 To 2002, Obama Served With Ayers On The Board Of Directors For Woods Fund Of Chicago. "[Ayers] served with [Obama] from 1999 to 2002 on the board of the Woods Fund, an anti-poverty group." (Timothy J. Burger, "Obama's Chicago Ties Might Fuel 'Republican Attack Machine'," Bloomberg, 2/15/08)

Even Axlerod has said they are pretty friendly, he told this to a polito reporter

It is amazing how you guys are trying to down play Ayers Weather Underground group and their act as if their acts of violence in where they conspired to build and set off bombs, is something that excusable. Don't tell me you guys think terrorists are only muslims and live in the middle east.

He is responsible for deaths. There were members of his group that died while making bombs.
 

PuffnScruff

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#18
Obama campaign released a video (in response to Palin's terrorist comments?) about McCain's ties in the Keating Five.

Keating Economics

It's 13 minutes long so if you don't have the time to watch it (you really should) here what it says.

Points the documentary makes:
Lack of regulation led to the S&L crisis and the subprime mortgage crisis
McCain is for deregulation
McCain took bribes on behalf of a Lender to ensure deregulation
Didn't speak out against his choices
And most importantly, poor judgement.

This attack by Obama is so far out there it doesn't even make sense. First off, the person who was running the investigation in the Keating Five (who is a democrat and worked close with President Clinton) even said McCain should never have been involved in the investigations and did nothing wrong. Not to mention one of Obama's biggested supporters in the Senate, John Kerry, was being investigated too.

It is completely stupid for Obama to be critical of McCain for not trying to get regulation pushed on fannie and freddie, because he did try, and Obama sure didn't support it.

It is completely stupid for Obama to come out and say that McCain takes money when opensecrets.org did an investigation to see how much money members of congress have taken over the past twenty years from freddie mac (or maybe fannie ) and in under 2 years Obama was ranked in the top 3.

To try and put the blame on McCain for the financial crisis that is going on right now is so silly. There is plenty of blame to go around, but the biggest general theory is this is the result of failed democratic policies starting from the Carter administration. And Obama shouldn't even be talking since he worked to sue lenders for not lending to people that shouldn't have been given loans in the first place.
 

Glockmatic

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#19
It is amazing how you guys are trying to down play Ayers Weather Underground group and their act as if their acts of violence in where they conspired to build and set off bombs, is something that excusable. Don't tell me you guys think terrorists are only muslims and live in the middle east.

He is responsible for deaths. There were members of his group that died while making bombs.
Of course its despicable, but it happened 40 years ago and he didn't kill anyone. He's a respectable professor now and he helps the impoverished.

Bomb makers in the organization that killed themselves while fucking with bombs does not make him responsible for their deaths, that is stupid.

First off, the person who was running the investigation in the Keating Five (who is a democrat and worked close with President Clinton) even said McCain should never have been involved in the investigations and did nothing wrong.
That was actually an attorney. He "worked closely" with Clinton years later during the Lewinsky scandal. He was hired by McCain this year as well.

McCain did receive $100,000 and a bunch of family vacations from Keating. Barack got about $150,000 from Fannie May and Freddie Mac employees which is a drop in the bucket compared to the political contributions from the public (he raised like 400 million so far?).
 

Glockmatic

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#20
To try and put the blame on McCain for the financial crisis that is going on right now is so silly.
They aren't blaming him for the current crisis, they're saying that his policies aren't the answer to the crisis.

And to add the donations given to Obama, the forum somethingawful donated $264,867.90 to the Obama campaign since he began it. 4Chan is basically a breakoff of Somethingawful, so if we play the association game than a bunch of people who post child porn cartoons and lolcats donated to Obama! DISGUSTING
 

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