The Obama & McCain Debate

#1
Seeing as I live in Belgium, I simply couldn't watch the debate yesterday :)().

But I've been really interested in this election campaign, so I was wondering if anybody could give me a link to a site where I can watch the whole thing?
Or some parts of it at least?

I've tried Youtube, but only found 1 part of it..

Thx in advance!
 

Glockmatic

Well-Known Member
#3
I didn't like how McCain never looked at Obama, it just seemed so...arrogant. I'm sure their political team is going to tell him to start looking at him instead of looking at the moderator 95% of the time. I hope the next one is an actual debate. I say it was a tie which is bad for McCain because foreign policy is suppose to be his strong point.
 

Jokerman

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#4
It won't take long for it all to be up on youtube. It was kind of boring. Can't say anyone won it, except whoever you agree with. It was mostly them telling us what they would do and exaggerating what bad the other one would do. For the next debate, they both need to watch the smirks they make when the other one is misrepresenting them. Doesn't look good.

MCcain spent most of the time talking about the past, since he has such a long one, and Obama talked about the future, since he has no past.
 

PuffnScruff

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#5
Every poll is going to be different. CNN had Obama as the winner last I looked. Drudge has McCain by almost 40 points.

It was a tie. Obama really looked better when they started out talking about the economy. When they switched topics to what the debate was supposed to be about that was when McCain started to come on top. It seemed like he was just getting warmed up when the debate was getting to an end. It was interesting to see that not too long after the debate was over Kissinger came out and said Obama was wrong in his position and misstaded his views.

McCain threw in a few jokes there, talking about not having his own seal yet and a few others. That was actually a pretty funny jab. It doesn't make Obama look good when he kept saying that he agreed with McCain. I get the feeling that McCain didn't look at Obama because he views him as a young punk kid, but at least he called him Senator all night. It seems a few times Obama was trying to push McCain's buttons to maybe let the temper out but it really didn't see to work in his favor. McCain seemed to get Obama a little bit more worked up.
 

Euphanasia

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#7
It was a tie. It doesn't make Obama look good when he kept saying that he agreed with McCain. .
I agree with you that it was a tie. Although I would like to say that Obama crushed McCain, it's not true. They both looked good. However, I must disagree with you on one point. When Obama stated that he agreed with McCain on certain points it did not detract from his credibility but assisted him instead because he was willing to admit that McCain is not some idiot with a bunch of horrible, misguided views. He acknowledged that they do share some opinions, although when it comes down to it, Obama's are superior.

And don't get me started on Palin. I watched her interviews today for the first time and anyone willing to vote for McCain should immediately suspend their vote because of her. I felt my IQ dropping substantially as that moron kept rambling. I know more about politics than she does and I watch the news a couple times a week.
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#8
Obama agreed with McCain so much because they were mostly Obama's positions that McCain had adopted for his own. Since McCain got to answer a lot of the questions first, Obama was more in a postion to have to say he agreed.

McCain didn't look at Obama because he rarely ever looks at anyone. Watch the video of when he first introduces Palin to the public, he doesn't even look at her when she talks directly to him. Some kind of quirk of his. Maybe from when he had to not look in the eyes of his captors in Vietnam so as not to get an ass-whopping.
 

S O F I

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#9
Actually, he should have done more of looking directly at the camera than at the moderator and Obama. You're trying to convince millions of Americans out there to vote for you, so talk to them.
 

Casey

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Staff member
#10
I haven't yet watched it, but from what I understand this is a pretty reasonable assessment of what went down.

Yahoo! News
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Grading the First Presidential Debate

By MARK HALPERIN / OXFORD, MISSISSIPPISat Sep 27, 3:25 PM ET


John McCain

Substance: His arguments were hard to follow at the beginning, but he found his voice as the debate progressed, although he never seemed fully in control of his message. He had plenty to say about the economy, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Russia, but often bogged down his own answers when trying to unfurl quips and soundbites. Stuck with bumper sticker slogans on the economy, and while he got a bit more detailed on foreign policy, he stayed at his usual level of abstraction. If he truly knows more about the world than Obama, he didn't show it in this debate.

Grade: B-

Style: Cluttered, jumpy, and often muddled. Frequent coughing early on helped neither his arguments nor his image. Jokes about being deaf and anecdotes about Normandy and George Shultz seemed ill-advised - even his pen was old. His presentation was further hindered by his wandering discussion of the differing heights of North and South Koreans and his angry assertion about how well he knows Henry Kissinger. Fell into the classic politician's trap of inserting familiar stump speech applause lines into debate responses - which only works if done with enthusiasm and clarity (and if received by applause - a big No-No in Lehrer's auditorium, which the audience obeyed seriously and silently). Keenly aware of the grand, grave occasion, McCain wavered between respectful and domineering, and ended up awkward and edgy.

Grade: C-

Offense: Emphasized his bread and butter issues of taxes and spending, and hit Obama on his failure to visit Iraq and his expressed willingness to meet with dictators. But while mocking his opponent on a few occasions, which reflected his acute disrespect for Obama, he did so in an insufficiently sharp and detailed manner - and unevenly worked elements of his rival's record into his attacks. Still he was utterly confident about his own experience, knowledge, and policies, even when tripped by his own tongue and distracted by the strains of debate practice. The main problem: Obama's obvious preparation and sharp answers contradicted McCain's frequent claims that the Democrat was uninformed and "didn't understand" key issues.

Grade: C+

Defense: He managed to ignore most of Obama's jibes, but was eventually baited into giving an extended answer about his policy differences with President Bush, after his opponent repeatedly mentioned McCain's regular support of Bush's budgets. Was visibly riled when clashing with Obama over a variety of issues, including Iraq, sanctions, and spending. He also chose to boast about Sarah Palin (although not by name) as his maverick partner, who, after her shaky week, may no longer be his ace in the hole.

Grade: B-

Overall: McCain was McCain - evocative, intense, and at times emotional, but also vague, elliptical, and atonal. Failed to deliver his "country first versus Obama first" message cleanly, even when offered several opportunities. Surprisingly, did not talk much about "change," virtually ceding the dominant issue of the race.

Overall grade: B-
(Read Mark Halperin's take on Barack Obama's performance)

Barack Obama

Substance: Quite manifestly immersed in the past, present, and future details of policy, and eager to express his views, which have been expanded, honed, and solidified during the last 18 months of hard campaigning. Still, he did avoid the nitty-gritty details of policy positions in favor of broad principles and references to working Americans, thereby not presenting the kind of specifics that some voters are waiting to hear from him.

Grade: B+

Style: Polished, confident, focused. Fully prepared, and able to convey a real depth of knowledge on nearly every issue. He was unhurried, and rarely lost his train of thought even when the debate wended and winded - and uttered far fewer of his trademark, distracting, "ums." At times, however, Obama revealed the level of his preparation by faltering over a rehearsed answer. He seemed to deliberately focus on the moderator and the home audience, with McCain as an afterthought - except when on the attack. Chose to avoid humor, for the most part, in favor of a stern demeanor, and in the process, came off as cool as a cucumber.

Grade: A

Offense: Linking McCain to Bush in his very first answer, he kept it up as his primary line of attack. Forcefully hit McCain for his early support of the Iraq War. Though he never drew blood, he did keep McCain a bit off balance, often with clever references to McCain's recent statements.

Grade: B

Defense: Had a reasonable answer for every charge that came his way - with little anger, bluster, or anxiety. Often interrupting McCain attacks with swift explanations and comebacks, he managed to spin accusations of being liberal as evidence of his relentless opposition to George Bush (in replies that were clearly planned). Offered a rather clumsy alternative to McCain's well-known, moving story of wearing the bracelet of a soldier lost in Iraq (a gift from the soldier's mother), with a story about a bracelet of his own. Fearless, without condescension, he attempted the gracious move of agreeing with or complimenting a McCain position, occasionally to his own detriment.

Grade: A-

Overall: Went for a solid, consistent performance to introduce himself to the country. He did not seem nervous, tentative, or intimidated by the event, and avoided mistakes from his weak debate performances during nomination season (a professorial tone and long winded answers). Standing comfortably on the stage with his rival, he showed he belonged - evocative of Reagan, circa 1980. He was so confident by the end that he reminded his biggest audience yet that his father was from Kenya. Two more performances like that and he will be very tough to beat on Election Day.

Overall grade: A-
 

ARon

Well-Known Member
#11
That review was pretty good Casey. McCain started to annoy me a lot during the debate. Especially during the Henry Kissinger part, I still think it's funny McCain is wrong about what his advisor actually says. But yeah, he twisted the context of so many quotes it was crazy. Some live blogs that I was paying attention to were posting up the real quotes and it was pretty ridiculous. I'm glad Obama was actually there to set the record straight. The bracelet thing was the funniest shit I have ever heard a president say. Obama, nonchalantly says, "I have a bracelet too." I laughed so fucking hard, it's like he shook his head in disgust at the shit McCain was just trying to say and says "Bitch shut up, I got a bracelet too," as he cocks back his pimp hand. Hillarious. Can't wait til Biden and Palin. Palin is being treated like she is retarded for good reason. Can't believe they had Giuliani instead of her there after the debate for interviewing, pathetic.
 

lii

New Member
#12
i tried to watch with an open mind, ive been an obama supporter for a while but dont wanna be an ignorant democrat. i dont dislike mccain, he puts me to sleep but he seems like a decent dude. dont see him as president tho, especially with palin as vp, who i dont like at all. obama has charisma for days, which i try to not get wrapped up in, and hes a better speaker, which would be a nice break from bush. he touched on more of what i find important and agree with
so its still obama for me!
and lol at the bracelet shit hahaha
 

_carmi

me, myself & us
#13
barack 4 prez is all i gotta say. fuck we are in elections campaigns here too in Canada yet i find myself following the american one more
 

Flipmo

VIP Member
Staff member
#14
I'm following the 700 BIL$ bailout that failed instead. lol. Now there's a reason for Americans to crap their pants.
 

PuffnScruff

Well-Known Member
#15
Especially during the Henry Kissinger part, I still think it's funny McCain is wrong about what his advisor actually says. .
Actually, right after the debate Kissinger came out and said that Obama was the person that got it wrong and McCain is right.

Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: "Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality."
The Weekly Standard

Sooner or later Obamamaniacs have to understand that not everything the messiah says is the truth.
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#16
Meanwhile Sarah Palin was interviewed by Katie Couric and says:

Palin: I've never heard Henry Kissinger say, "Yeah, I'll meet with these leaders without preconditions being met."

Doh! Yeah, that's exactly what he said. He, as Secretary of State, would meet with them, not that the President should. So she confused that somewhat.

Couric should have then said: "Have you ever heard anything Kissenger said?"

Anyway, Obama took the wrong tack. He should have made a big point of how McCain agrees with and gets his advice from Kissinger, since Kissinger is one of the most pathologically lying war criminals around. So if Kissinger disagreed with McCain, that would actually be a plus for McCain.
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#17
I'm surprised Puffy didn't mention Biden's history lesson - about how President Roosevelt got on the television in 1929 when the stock market crashed and responded to the national financial crisis.
 

Jokerman

Well-Known Member
#18
^ Oh, he did. Either earlier or in another thread.

Biden has me worried. That was a big brainfog moment. And Roosevelt wasn't even President then.

Biden: "When the market crashed, Roosevelt put out a statement on the internet and then called the members of Congress on his iPhone 3.0."
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#19
Biden has me worried. That was a big brainfog moment. And Roosevelt wasn't even President then.
Well, I could see how one could mix up the Presidents like that. However, I mean, Jesus Christ Biden, there were no televisions in use at the time.

I think it's good for both Palin and Biden that no follow-up questions be allowed in the VP debate. But, I'm pretty sure Palin won't disappoint and will provide us with at least one great quote like her bailout plan answer in the interview with Katie Couric.
 

ARon

Well-Known Member
#20
Actually, right after the debate Kissinger came out and said that Obama was the person that got it wrong and McCain is right.

Henry Kissinger believes Barack Obama misstated his views on diplomacy with US adversaries and is not happy about being mischaracterized. He says: "Senator McCain is right. I would not recommend the next President of the United States engage in talks with Iran at the Presidential level. My views on this issue are entirely compatible with the views of my friend Senator John McCain. We do not agree on everything, but we do agree that any negotiations with Iran must be geared to reality."
The Weekly Standard

Sooner or later Obamamaniacs have to understand that not everything the messiah says is the truth.

Oh he said he agreed with his buddy aaaaafter the debate, that makes sense now cus he doesn't want to make McCain look bad. Cus just a few days prior he was saying this

"From CNN's transcript of its September 21 special report The Next President: A World of Challenges:

KISSINGER: Well, I am in favor of negotiating with Iran. And one utility of negotiation is to put before Iran our vision of a Middle East, of a stable Middle East, and our notion on nuclear proliferation at a high enough level so that they have to study it. And, therefore, I actually preferred doing it at the secretary of state level so that we -- we know we're dealing with authentic -- with authentic proposals.

SESNO: To put at a very high level right out of the box?

KISSINGER: Initially, yes. And I always believed that the best way to begin a negotiation is to tell the other side exactly what you have in mind and what you are -- what the outcome is that you're trying to achieve so that they have something that they can react to.

Now, the permanent members of the Security Council, plus Japan and Germany, have all said nuclear weapons in Iran are unacceptable. They've never explained what they mean by this. So if we go into a negotiation, we ought to have a clear understanding of what is it we're trying to prevent. What is it going to do if we can't achieve what we're talking about?

But I do not believe that we can make conditions for the opening of negotiations. We ought, however, to be very clear about the content of negotiations and work it out with other countries and with our own government."

Media Matters - CNN's King reads Kissinger statement without noting accusation against Obama is false

It's from Mediamatters though so you'll probably toss it out like it's some propaganda, actually you may like that site so I'm not sure.


They talk about it here also:
Both candidates kowtowed to the disgraceful Kissinger. Only Obama cited him correctly.Â* - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine

Obamamaniacs, lol. What's funny is they are trying to make this into "presidential level" talk, when Obama never said that.

"MCCAIN: By the way, my friend, Dr. Kissinger, who's been my friend for 35 years, would be interested to hear this conversation and Senator Obama's depiction of his -- of his positions on the issue. I've known him for 35 years.

OBAMA: We will take a look.

MCCAIN: And I guarantee you he would not -- he would not say that presidential top level.

OBAMA: Nobody's talking about that."

So yeah, he was wrong, McCain that is.
 

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