Sarah Palin

ill-matic

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Ok Puff in all honesty, why do you defend her? The Republicans could have put a more apt person to be Vice President.

Come on, do you REALLY think she is an ideal person for the job? I mean, in all seriousness. Repbulican and Democrat perspectives aside, do you honestly believe she is RIGHT for the role?
 

Jeremy

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If you put a retard up there instead of her he would still defend the retard and the retard would be right for the role. He won't admit it though. He's bias to his party and always will be. Typical cracker.
 

PuffnScruff

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Ok Puff in all honesty, why do you defend her? The Republicans could have put a more apt person to be Vice President.

Come on, do you REALLY think she is an ideal person for the job? I mean, in all seriousness. Repbulican and Democrat perspectives aside, do you honestly believe she is RIGHT for the role?
This is a forum for debate. First, nobody else is going to debate her side so might as well be me since I can actually be mature enough to have a real debate and not say retarded things like Jeremy. It wouldn't be much of a debate if everyone took the same side and only came in here calling her names and saying the same regurgitate things from sounds bits given to them by talking heads on the news, now would it?

Second, I have countered things people have been saying and showing evidence that many view points people have are baseless and wrong, with out anyone really trying to counter. Even things you said. I countered what you said and you seem to ignore what I put up to support my arguement and seem to ignore the fact that the things you said are taken out of context.

To answer your question, yes, McCain could have picked a more qualified person. He probably could have picked a better running mate. But as I have stated (at least two times in the thread)she serves her purposes (and I have stated what that purpose was, not just getting the women voters) and is working to do so. That can't be denied. If you are so focused on qualifications, do you think Obama is qualified to be the president? If so why?

Is she right for the role of veep? No more than Al Gore or most other vice presidents. She isn't weak, that is for sure. You have to have some big balls to take on the good ol' boys of your own party, which she did.

I have said it in previous threads, there were no really good presidential canidates in this elecition (of course Obamamaniacs will say otherwise). I have never been big on McCain. I don't like his stance on immigration. I have respect for him and he has an incredible story and I do love the fact that a man can be in congress for 26 years and have no ear marks. $0. That looks nice compared to Obama's tens of millions (or is it hundreds of millions?) in 2 years.
 

ill-matic

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This is a forum for debate. First, nobody else is going to debate her side so might as well be me since I can actually be mature enough to have a real debate and not say retarded things like Jeremy. It wouldn't be much of a debate if everyone took the same side and only came in here calling her names and saying the same regurgitate things from sounds bits given to them by talking heads on the news, now would it?
So are you arguing her side for the sake of arguing or because you are actually agreeable to her selection as the Vice Presidential Candidate? That was my original question - if you actually perceive her to be a qualified and adequate candidate for a position such as that.

PuffnScruff said:
Second, I have countered things people have been saying and showing evidence that many view points people have are baseless and wrong, with out anyone really trying to counter. Even things you said. I countered what you said and you seem to ignore what I put up to support my arguement and seem to ignore the fact that the things you said are taken out of context.
Well, i duno. I saw the interview, and made those comments based on what i saw and heard.

PuffnScruff said:
To answer your question, yes, McCain could have picked a more qualified person. He probably could have picked a better running mate. But as I have stated (at least two times in the thread)she serves her purposes (and I have stated what that purpose was, not just getting the women voters) and is working to do so. That can't be denied. If you are so focused on qualifications, do you think Obama is qualified to be the president? If so why?
You can't compare someone like Palin to Obama. Obama has proven himself on many occasions. There is a reason why he has mustered so much support, and has instilled so much optimism within the Democrat electorate not seen in decades. Shit like that doesn't just appear out of nowhere. And i know what you're going to say, that this is all just a marketing game with people being taken up by Obama mania. Well, after reading his various published works, observing him on the televised debates and in his delivery of speeches, he shows great aptitude and great understanding of what such a role requires.

The reason people have given their support to Obama because he's proven to them that he's an adequate candidate for president. And in that respect he does have the credentials and the capacity to be President. But what exactly has Sarah Palin done? Where has she ever displayed such aptitude that parallels Obama's? When has she been put to task and had to really prove herself on a national (not local) scale?

In all seriousness...did you even know who the hell she was before her name was announced as the candidate?[/quote]

PuffnScruff said:
Is she right for the role of veep? No more than Al Gore or most other vice presidents. She isn't weak, that is for sure. You have to have some big balls to take on the good ol' boys of your own party, which she did.
How can you even compare Sarah Palin to Al Gore? Are you SERIOUS?
 

Jeremy

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Palin has only been interviewed two times when Biden had done around seventy. Mccain knows she can't answer the tough questions. He's scared that she might say something to turn off the voters. Her lack of knowledge is the answer to why. He doesn't even trust his on VP cause he only picked her for marketing reasons.
 

PuffnScruff

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So are you arguing her side for the sake of arguing or because you are actually agreeable to her selection as the Vice Presidential Candidate? That was my original question - if you actually perceive her to be a qualified and adequate candidate for a position such as that.
I usually do argue for the sake of arguement, but I have already stated why she was selected. And I do agree with why she was selected. It wasn't just for the women vote. It was to re-charge the conservative base that was left McCain long ago. There is no doubt she has done that.

How can you say that a mayor and a governor is not qualified to lead? If you don't think a person who served in those roles is qualified then what kind of perosn is?

You can't compare someone like Palin to Obama. Obama has proven himself on many occasions. There is a reason why he has mustered so much support, and has instilled so much optimism within the Democrat electorate not seen in decades. Shit like that doesn't just appear out of nowhere. And i know what you're going to say, that this is all just a marketing game with people being taken up by Obama mania. Well, after reading his various published works, observing him on the televised debates and in his delivery of speeches, he shows great aptitude and great understanding of what such a role requires.

The reason people have given their support to Obama because he's proven to them that he's an adequate candidate for president. And in that respect he does have the credentials and the capacity to be President. But what exactly has Sarah Palin done? Where has she ever displayed such aptitude that parallels Obama's? When has she been put to task and had to really prove herself on a national (not local) scale?

In all seriousness...did you even know who the hell she was before her name was announced as the candidate?
Actually, yes I did know who she was. Her name was put out there as a possible canidate for McCain back in around April or May. Tha is when I started to learn more about her.

Other than delivering a good well written speech (probably written by his 26 year old speech writter) what has Obama proven exactly? He hasn't ever proved that he could lead a nation or much less a company. He has no proven leadership skills. He's proven to the people that he has the skill to be president? Based on what? A speech? That is all he has ever done is talk and be a politician. Other than being a puppet to David Axlerod, what has Obama proven? Don't know who Axlerod is? Look into and you will see how much of what Obama has been saying all throughout this campaign is the same shit Edwards was saying in his in '04, which Axlerod was a big part of. There is nothing original about the man what so ever.

Palin can atleast say she has executive experience in being the head of state and city.
How can you even compare Sarah Palin to Al Gore? Are you SERIOUS?
I wasn't exactly comparing the two individuals, Gore was an example. Did you miss the part where I said "most other vice presidents"?

Palin has only been interviewed two times when Biden had done around seventy. Mccain knows she can't answer the tough questions. He's scared that she might say something to turn off the voters. Her lack of knowledge is the answer to why. He doesn't even trust his on VP cause he only picked her for marketing reasons.
And when Biden speaks he says stupid shit. Like most recently saying that the stock market crashed under FDR. That is wrong. He also said FDR went in front of the t.v. to address the people. That is also wrong since it didn't exist then. The man shouldn't make a statement saying people can't get it right when in the same statement he makes two big gaffes like that.
 

vg4030

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Caesar

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Well, I have to say I was wrong about one thing. I didnt think it could get any worse than Bush. I was wrong.
 

The.Menace

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How can you say that a mayor and a governor is not qualified to lead? If you don't think a person who served in those roles is qualified then what kind of perosn is?
to be a mayor of a small town doesn't qualify you to lead a big city. There are 10 000 mayors in the US, do you think every mayor would be qualify 2 be the mayor of NY City? Certanly not. And yes she is even a governor, but well, does that mean that she automatically is the best pick for this position? No. And further it's no proof that she's qualified for the next stage. Everybody understood by now that "you actually can see russia from alaska" but seriously, you'll need knowledge than that in diplomacy. Do you really think she could hold her ground if she meets someone like Putin and actually sits on a table with him? Now you probablly come in and say but she's just #2 she doesn't have 2 do it - you'd have a bad feeling and that tells it all - you don't feel like she could handle it, you don't feel like she's in the same league as people like the one I mentioned - so maybe you just have to face it, maybe she ain't qualified for it. Simple as that.

I dunno. The interviews speak for themself. She talks about attacking russia if needed - as if a war with russia could be compared in any way with Iraq. If you attack russia, there aren't going to be a couple of 1000 deaths in so many years, that would be a whole different story and just by the way she talks about it I feel like she didn't even got that.

Just to be in a certain position of power doesn't mean automatically that you are qualified - not for the next higher office and not for the one you are in right now. Like Bush's buddy that got that job for national disaster management - he had that job but wasn't qualified and we all know what happend in New Orleans when good old Kat came around. So yeah, it's more than necessary to check someone's qualifications and decide on what you find out and not rely on what a person might have done before or what job someone got cause of connections or stupid accidents lol. I don't want to disrespect alaska, I know you can see russia from there, but to run alaska isn't per se qualification enough 2 run one of the toughest jobs in the world.


About a precious post from you puff I shall reply now. (typed a long as replied, it got lost, I was pissed and didn't retype it): No she doesn't quote Lincoln. I posted videos to that speech before. what it, she doesn't talk one time about Lincoln, not one word. They tried hard 2 find a speech they could justify the comments with, that's all and that is the truth, you know that, come on. You see that if you watch the video, I don' think she ever heard about the Lincoln speech. Besides that, times changed and in a situation like we are in now it would be totally stupid anyway to bring God into it, if you'd smart you understand that and don't talk about God and war like it was a holy war, with all the problems in this world we have cause of fanatics, it's not smart, even if she would have quoted a certain president which I don't think or believe she was doin anyway.

Can you find me the speech she was refering to when she said that the pipline is God's will?
 

PuffnScruff

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About a precious post from you puff I shall reply now. (typed a long as replied, it got lost, I was pissed and didn't retype it): No she doesn't quote Lincoln. I posted videos to that speech before. what it, she doesn't talk one time about Lincoln, not one word. They tried hard 2 find a speech they could justify the comments with, that's all and that is the truth, you know that, come on. You see that if you watch the video, I don' think she ever heard about the Lincoln speech. Besides that, times changed and in a situation like we are in now it would be totally stupid anyway to bring God into it, if you'd smart you understand that and don't talk about God and war like it was a holy war, with all the problems in this world we have cause of fanatics, it's not smart, even if she would have quoted a certain president which I don't think or believe she was doin anyway.

Can you find me the speech she was refering to when she said that the pipline is God's will?
I didn't say she quoted Lincoln, I said she was playing off a Lincoln quote or something that at extent. I posted two different speeches that it could be refering too and posted a fact check site that does it's homework which came the conclusion she was taking from a speech. Again, not quoting him word for word. If you read the article I posted, you would see that you are looking at her comments out of context. In the context of what she was saying it makes more sense. Given the venue and audience she was in it makes even more sense. What she was saying was more to the extent of having faith in god.

"Just to be in a certain position of power doesn't mean automatically that you are qualified - not for the next higher office and not for the one you are in right now. "

Looks like you finally unserstand why people say Obama shouldn't be president.

"I dunno. The interviews speak for themself. She talks about attacking russia if needed - as if a war with russia could be compared in any way with Iraq. If you attack russia, there aren't going to be a couple of 1000 deaths in so many years, that would be a whole different story and just by the way she talks about it I feel like she didn't even got that. "

Is it that much different from when Obama had on his website that he would "put boots on the ground" in Pakistan, during the primaries?
 

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