Sarah Palin
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So who watched the ABC interview with Sarah Palin? Jesus, all the answers seemed like she picked them from a list that her advisors gave her. "Do you believe in the Bush Doctrine?" "....in what respect charlie?" "The bu....what do you interprete it to be?" "His world view?" "No...the Bush Doctrine..." wow it made me cringe so much. Her answer didn't even answer it
im not arguing with you guys anymore. we can Talk religion and politics until where blue in the face. i believe in creationism all of you believe in evolution. i like mccain you guys can ride Obama's dick. may the better man win in November. lets bet if obama wins you guys can grill me about it all you want. if mccain wins i can gloat. See what happens when you get goin with the creation and evolution talk. both sides cant agree on anything. im gonna believe my way, and by all means you guys believe your way.
Glocky my friend i'll put up some some evidence supporting creationism. in your other thread. not right now but in a little bit.
Glocky my friend i'll put up some some evidence supporting creationism. in your other thread. not right now but in a little bit.
This woman is fucking crazy. She uses the word "War" a little bit TOO loosely for my liking. Suggesting war with Russia? Is this serious?
And now McCain has the gall to use the whole "change" message. He will change things? He will bring something new to the table? The Republican power brokers who run everything from the background will just disappear into thin air once he is elected? Give me a fucking break.
Oh, and way to totally rip Obama's central campaign theme :thumb:
This is gonna be another dark four years if the McCain / Palin team are elected. I am utterly amazed that she has the balls to throw the war around so loosely. It shocks me.
War this, war that. Is conflict the only thing Republicans give a fuck about?
Puff how can you even defend this shit? I mean, Republican or not Republican...this shit is just dangerous no matter what your political preference is.
And now McCain has the gall to use the whole "change" message. He will change things? He will bring something new to the table? The Republican power brokers who run everything from the background will just disappear into thin air once he is elected? Give me a fucking break.
Oh, and way to totally rip Obama's central campaign theme :thumb:
This is gonna be another dark four years if the McCain / Palin team are elected. I am utterly amazed that she has the balls to throw the war around so loosely. It shocks me.
War this, war that. Is conflict the only thing Republicans give a fuck about?
Puff how can you even defend this shit? I mean, Republican or not Republican...this shit is just dangerous no matter what your political preference is.
Yes, she relied on talking points for her answers and seemed a little bit robotic during the interview, but overall she handled it well enough. But let's be a little fair. The Bush Doctrine is a very vague term. It's not like it's the Bill of Rights or something every American should have memorized. It's vague. It includes various related foreign-policy principles, and I bet Bush isn't even sure what it all entails because he didn't name it. It's a media-created term. So, she wanted the media representative to be more specific. And she wasn't about to commit herself to anything at this point, so she couldn't give a definitive answer to his question, as she shouldn't have.
Here's how she should have answered:
Charlie Gibson: "So is it okay for us to go into Pakistan?"
Palin: "You want to shut the fuck up with that already? If I were president I would be making such a decision based on the situation at hand and after long consultation and discussion with my staff."
Charlie Gibson: "So is it okay for us to go into Pakistan?"
Palin: "Someone bring me my gun."
Here's how she should have answered:
Charlie Gibson: "So is it okay for us to go into Pakistan?"
Palin: "You want to shut the fuck up with that already? If I were president I would be making such a decision based on the situation at hand and after long consultation and discussion with my staff."
Charlie Gibson: "So is it okay for us to go into Pakistan?"
Palin: "Someone bring me my gun."
Outside the US they make fun of her for that interview. I mean, come on, maybe not every American should have memorized that term but hell, she's not every american! She's a politican running for an office for the very same party - she definetly should have known. And no it doesn't seem like she doesn't want to commit herself, it seems like she has no idea at all.
And what did she say about russian politics? That you can see Russia from alaska? Jesus Christ.
And what did she say about russian politics? That you can see Russia from alaska? Jesus Christ.
The town hall meeting today was just....ugh...
Palin takes questions at Michigan town-hall meeting - CNN.com
"Asked for "specific skills" she could cite to rebut critics who question her grasp of international affairs, she replied, "I am prepared."
"I have that confidence. I have that readiness," Palin said. "And if you want specifics with specific policies or countries, you can go ahead and ask me. You can play 'stump the candidate' if you want to. But we are ready to serve."
Palin takes questions at Michigan town-hall meeting - CNN.com
"Asked for "specific skills" she could cite to rebut critics who question her grasp of international affairs, she replied, "I am prepared."
"I have that confidence. I have that readiness," Palin said. "And if you want specifics with specific policies or countries, you can go ahead and ask me. You can play 'stump the candidate' if you want to. But we are ready to serve."
Well, those are things that can be proven withouth a doubt and are pretty hard to disprove. There just isn't much room for arguement
I think what she didn't isn't all that unheard of. It may not make sense to some but does to others. Personally, I really don't see any real proof that Palin has let her actual beliefs crossed over into job performance. I don't care what a politicians personal beliefs are (on religino or whatever) I just don't like it when they use their power to put to put their beliefs onto the people.
You are correct to an extent on socialism already in the U.S. but why should we be excepting of that? If we continue to allow it this country could very well lead down that path towards a communist like state.
Jokerman pretty much nailed in the head. There was an article recently by the man who is credted as creating the phrase "Bush Doctrine" and he took Gibson to task for getting it wrong. The "Bush Doctrine" has evolved over time. It started out as one thing and then changed many times to what it currently stands for, which is spreading democracy.
Every politicain has used the "change" theme. It wasn't new when Obama did it, it was actually played out. Bush ran on the change theme in 2000.
I can't completely talk on the quotes from Palin because so far everything I have seen is taken out of context of the speech she gave. She says she was either quoting or playing off a quote from a Lincoln speech in one of those. I have to read the speech as a whole. Getting upset of a few words taken out of context is no different than people getting all worked up over the Obama interview with President Clinton's former advisor where he says "my muslim faith". He said it, so he must be muslim right? Of course not, because it is taken out of context of the point he was driving at.
I think what she didn't isn't all that unheard of. It may not make sense to some but does to others. Personally, I really don't see any real proof that Palin has let her actual beliefs crossed over into job performance. I don't care what a politicians personal beliefs are (on religino or whatever) I just don't like it when they use their power to put to put their beliefs onto the people.
You are correct to an extent on socialism already in the U.S. but why should we be excepting of that? If we continue to allow it this country could very well lead down that path towards a communist like state.
Jokerman pretty much nailed in the head. There was an article recently by the man who is credted as creating the phrase "Bush Doctrine" and he took Gibson to task for getting it wrong. The "Bush Doctrine" has evolved over time. It started out as one thing and then changed many times to what it currently stands for, which is spreading democracy.
Every politicain has used the "change" theme. It wasn't new when Obama did it, it was actually played out. Bush ran on the change theme in 2000.
I can't completely talk on the quotes from Palin because so far everything I have seen is taken out of context of the speech she gave. She says she was either quoting or playing off a quote from a Lincoln speech in one of those. I have to read the speech as a whole. Getting upset of a few words taken out of context is no different than people getting all worked up over the Obama interview with President Clinton's former advisor where he says "my muslim faith". He said it, so he must be muslim right? Of course not, because it is taken out of context of the point he was driving at.
I can't view youtube at work but what she said in a more complete context is
"My oldest, my son Track, is a soldier in the United States Army now. ... Pray for our military. He's going to be deployed in September to Iraq. Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan."
She was taking from things that Lincoln did say, not quoting exactly but it was playing off of Lincoln's words and sentiment
PolitiFact | Not far from Lincoln's sentiment
As noted in this article, (this is one of your favorite sites isn't it SOFI?)
"We think it's important to note that Palin is asking the audience to "pray for" military men and women, and that national leaders are sending troops out "on a task that is from God." She even repeats "that's what we have to make sure that we're praying for." Gibson doesn't mention the words "pray for" when he questions her. Praying for something implies that you don't yet have it or that it there is some uncertainty, so it seems logical that Palin is expressing a hope that something is true, not a certainty."
"Meanwhile, we tracked down Abraham Lincoln's words on God's will. The original source appears to be a book titled Six Months in the White House with Abraham Lincoln, written by Francis B. Carpenter and published in 1867, not long after Lincoln's death.
The following is from Page 282 of Carpenter's account:
"No nobler reply ever fell from the lips of a ruler, than that uttered by President Lincoln in response to the clergyman who ventured to say, in his presence, that he hoped 'the Lord was on our side.'
"'I am not at all concerned about that,' replied Mr. Lincoln, 'for I know that the Lord is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side.'"
In fairness, Lincoln's words do seem to express a greater degree of anxiety about being on God's side than Palin's. Lincoln is also rebuking a clergyman's inflated sense of moral piety, while Palin appears to be expressing solidarity with fellow believers. But Gibson's truncation of her comments — omitting the crucial words "pray for" — change the meaning of her comments from a wish to a certainty. Palin's and Lincoln's words are similar in that they both express a hope that a plan meets with God's favor. Granted, some people find any mention of God's will and warfare to be disturbing. But we find similarities between the two sets of comments. We find Palin's statement Mostly True. "
"My oldest, my son Track, is a soldier in the United States Army now. ... Pray for our military. He's going to be deployed in September to Iraq. Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan."
She was taking from things that Lincoln did say, not quoting exactly but it was playing off of Lincoln's words and sentiment
PolitiFact | Not far from Lincoln's sentiment
As noted in this article, (this is one of your favorite sites isn't it SOFI?)
"We think it's important to note that Palin is asking the audience to "pray for" military men and women, and that national leaders are sending troops out "on a task that is from God." She even repeats "that's what we have to make sure that we're praying for." Gibson doesn't mention the words "pray for" when he questions her. Praying for something implies that you don't yet have it or that it there is some uncertainty, so it seems logical that Palin is expressing a hope that something is true, not a certainty."
"Meanwhile, we tracked down Abraham Lincoln's words on God's will. The original source appears to be a book titled Six Months in the White House with Abraham Lincoln, written by Francis B. Carpenter and published in 1867, not long after Lincoln's death.
The following is from Page 282 of Carpenter's account:
"No nobler reply ever fell from the lips of a ruler, than that uttered by President Lincoln in response to the clergyman who ventured to say, in his presence, that he hoped 'the Lord was on our side.'
"'I am not at all concerned about that,' replied Mr. Lincoln, 'for I know that the Lord is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord's side.'"
In fairness, Lincoln's words do seem to express a greater degree of anxiety about being on God's side than Palin's. Lincoln is also rebuking a clergyman's inflated sense of moral piety, while Palin appears to be expressing solidarity with fellow believers. But Gibson's truncation of her comments — omitting the crucial words "pray for" — change the meaning of her comments from a wish to a certainty. Palin's and Lincoln's words are similar in that they both express a hope that a plan meets with God's favor. Granted, some people find any mention of God's will and warfare to be disturbing. But we find similarities between the two sets of comments. We find Palin's statement Mostly True. "
Also, she may very well have been talking about this speech from Lincoln
SFGate: Politics Blog : What Lincoln Quote Is Palin Referring to?
"Neither [side] anticipated that the cause of the conflict [i.e., slavery] might cease with, or even before, the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully.
"The Almighty has His own purposes. 'Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!' If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope --fervently do we pray -- that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away.
"Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bondman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said, 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.' "
After the disastrous (for the North) Second Battle of Bull Run in 1862, Abe wrote:
"
The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be, wrong. God can not be for and against the same thing at the same time. In the present civil war it is quite possible that God's purpose is something different from the purpose of either party -- and yet the human instrumentalities, working just as they do, are of the best adaptation to effect His purpose.
I am almost ready to say this is probably true -- that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet. By his mere quiet power, on the minds of the now contestants, He could have either saved or destroyed the Union without a human contest. Yet the contest began. And having begun He could give the final victory to either side any day. Yet the contest proceeds."
SFGate: Politics Blog : What Lincoln Quote Is Palin Referring to?
"Neither [side] anticipated that the cause of the conflict [i.e., slavery] might cease with, or even before, the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully.
"The Almighty has His own purposes. 'Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!' If we shall suppose that American Slavery is one of those offences which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offence came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a Living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope --fervently do we pray -- that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away.
"Yet, if God wills that it continue, until all the wealth piled by the bondman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash, shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said, 'the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.' "
After the disastrous (for the North) Second Battle of Bull Run in 1862, Abe wrote:
"
The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be, wrong. God can not be for and against the same thing at the same time. In the present civil war it is quite possible that God's purpose is something different from the purpose of either party -- and yet the human instrumentalities, working just as they do, are of the best adaptation to effect His purpose.
I am almost ready to say this is probably true -- that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet. By his mere quiet power, on the minds of the now contestants, He could have either saved or destroyed the Union without a human contest. Yet the contest began. And having begun He could give the final victory to either side any day. Yet the contest proceeds."
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