Death Penalty/Prison System
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Depends on the parent's definition of being a good parent. Some people think it's buying their kids whatever they want while ignoring them otherwise. I think being an attentive, interactive parent who sets rules, instills morals and values but still allows a child to chose (within reason) ideas for themselves is less likely to raise a criminal than a parent who pays no attention to their kid. Not saying that method will be 100% criminal raising proof, lol. But i'm almost certain that the odds will be lower.
Yeah but like you said there are still no guarantees. You can do everything right as a parent and still your child becomes a criminal. That's why I disagreed with "then that parent should have to pay for the gov't to fix his/her criminal kid and teach him/her how to behave in society since the parent obviously failed at that job."
Well yeah because even if it was no more that the parent could do, they could've tried to find the kid professional help or something. I don't know, just from my experiences with what i've seen, bad kids usually come from bad parenting. And I know logically that's not always the case, but as for everyone I KNOW who was a bad kid or who has bad kids, it's because the parents suck. And with bad I mean actually bad things, not minor trouble that most kids get into.
I.E. (with the kids I tutor)
Kid steals, ask kid why parent wouldn't get it for them
Kid beat someone up or is a bully ask kid why, parents beat them or yell at them
I mean, when I sit down and ask these kids why they do these things, it almost always leads back to the parent.
Also ignoring warning signs of a troubled child is bad parenting too. In that case, the parent should still be to blame I think.
But yeah, I understand where you're coming from with your comment because in every case it may not be the parent's fault. In this case, maybe some sort of trial to determine if it's the parent's fault or not, lol. maybe people will stop having so many kids if they were scared of being in trouble if the kid got in trouble! hahahaha
I.E. (with the kids I tutor)
Kid steals, ask kid why parent wouldn't get it for them
Kid beat someone up or is a bully ask kid why, parents beat them or yell at them
I mean, when I sit down and ask these kids why they do these things, it almost always leads back to the parent.
Also ignoring warning signs of a troubled child is bad parenting too. In that case, the parent should still be to blame I think.
But yeah, I understand where you're coming from with your comment because in every case it may not be the parent's fault. In this case, maybe some sort of trial to determine if it's the parent's fault or not, lol. maybe people will stop having so many kids if they were scared of being in trouble if the kid got in trouble! hahahaha
I understand everything you're saying but I think you're just looking at your personal experiences and ignoring the bigger question of nature vs. nurture. You can give two people the exact same upbringing and they'll still turn out different. The question of why people do bad things is far too big to base on troubled kids. And it's definitely too big to place responsibility solely with the parents. You can teach them right from wrong but it's always up to the other person to decide what to do.
When we're talking about that kid who shot another kid for being gay and asking him out on a date then I would like to see a courtcase that determines how much the parents were at fault. But when someone is 18+ it's a little bit different.
When we're talking about that kid who shot another kid for being gay and asking him out on a date then I would like to see a courtcase that determines how much the parents were at fault. But when someone is 18+ it's a little bit different.
One can use a practical example. A kid can have loving parents who do everything right, but that doesn't stop that kid from befriending an older kid who has a bad influence. The parents may tell the kid not to steal, the older kid may encourage stealing, and since stealing seems to get you a lot of shit that not stealing doesn't, a kid will naturally fall for stealing. If my kid goes and does some stupid shit because some other kid was even more stupid, i don't want to be left with the bill and responsibility. knowing what we know about how children evolve, and how numerous and uncontrollable their motivations are, i think the result would be that a lot of parents would be paying dues that weren't for them.
Ahh gotcha. I see what you're saying now. And I guess yeah i was basing it more so on children and how they're raised rather than adults being criminals. But yeah I understand what you're saying. IDK though, there should be another option. I just really hate the idea of paying for criminals to hang out in jail.
Also, people in jail have access to Myspace!! WTF is that? I have little cousins with no access to myspace, lol
i think the biggest problem with the prison system is that they seemed to forget somewhere along the line what the point of prison was in the first place: punishment. prisoners have so many rights and amenities now that it's gotten to the point that jail isn't seen as such a bad place anymore. why should it be? you can watch tv or go on the internet, and even the meals are pretty good now from what i hear. why would a place like this be a deterrent to criminals? jails are nothing but criminal factories nowadays. put in a fresh faced shoplifter, and take out a hardened crook who's ready to try armed robbery next time. maybe if prisons went back to the way they used to be, places of punishment instead of confined luxury, people wouldn't be so damn eager to end up there.
see the thing is, the way it used to be, prison itself was rehabilitation in a way, cuz the place was so bad that after you were there once, you never wanted to go back. whether that meant you'd go straight or just be a much more careful criminal, well that's up for debate lol. but there were many less re-offenders when they were still beating and whipping prisoners. i'm not suggesting they start doing that again, but getting rid of some of these luxuries and making prison a place of punishment again might make some people a little more thoughtful when weighing out the benefit/risk factor of their crime. as it is right now, jail is no threat to criminals.
And that becomes kind of a question of is less time better? Certainly you aren't "on punishment" as long however, the longer the person is incarcerated, it seems the harder it is for them to adapt to life in the real world. Which is why i said earlier some sort of class (depending on the person and the crime), which would still be expensive. However, they could learn etiquette, to read and write, how to manage their finances, how credit works, etc. The basics to be able to survive in the real world because as of now, they're learning how to survive in jail which does nothing to prepare them for afterwards.
well trust me, here in Winnipeg we know all about the revolving door. i read the paper every day and it seems anyone who gets arrested for a crime was already on bail or had just been released from prison, this shit happens all the time. also, i don't know if they use this system down there but up here the judges love to give criminals "double time" which means if you are unable to make bail and have to remain in prison, and say your trial isn't for another 7 months, when you are sentenced, not only does that 7 months count on your sentence, but judges here frequently grant that as double time and count it as 14 months instead of 7. so if your sentence was 2 years, you only do 10 months. and that's not including time off for "good behavior." with this fucked up system we end up with cases like one recently where a man was sentenced to one day in jail for murdering a prostitute, since he had served about 2 years in custody and they counted it as 4. it's a ridiculous system set up to give criminals all the rights and the victims none. and we call this justice?
it's good to re-evaluate the prison system, but where reform is needed the most imo is in sentencing.
it's good to re-evaluate the prison system, but where reform is needed the most imo is in sentencing.
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