Death Penalty/Prison System

[Euphanasia]

It is a simple fact that neither of these work. The death penalty does not deter crime, as the majority of violent crimes occur in the heat of passion. Furthermore, more and more people nowadays are being released from prison after spending years incarcerated because they have been found innocent after convincing DNA evidence. Not to mention that it costs more to have a person executed than to keep them in prison for the rest of their days.

Having said that, the prison system is laughable. Prison has two goals: to rehabilitate and to deter crime. It accomplishes neither of these. People now go into prison and come out worse off than before because the prison system has become an institution that thrives off of crime and violence. Not to mention that this hardly deters crime either.

It's time to find a new method to deter crime. I'm not sure what the answer is. The more I ponder social issues such as these, I become more convinced that education is the answer.

Education can solve a lot. And I really do mean a lot.

For instance, overpopulation is a problem and a huge factor is the amount of scumbags/skanks reproducing children at alarming rates. Why? Because they lack the education to purchase contraceptives. They also lack the capital. I think that they should be covered under healthcare.

Furthermore, if you have educated parents, the chances that you are going to become a violent felon are fairly remote. Yes, there are those who are going to become violent troublemakers regardless, but many who are violent and problematic are that way because they have been raised in an environment that accepts and promotes such behavior.

Education. Education. Education.

I believe that is the most important thing of all.

 

[Sebastian]

Are you saying we should get rid of prisons because it doesnt work?

 

[Tha_Wood]

i wish they would introduce the death penalty in Australia.

 

[kastro]

And Nz

 

[Tha_Wood]

^ u live in NZ?

 

[Snowman]

the prison system is laughable. they get to work out, take up schooling, free dental work, learn a skilled trade. and taxpayers we're the ones that suffer.

im in favor for the death penalty. they should kill criminals that murder innocent people. you put to death all the murders and rapists. that would bring in extra money in the states.

 

[Sebastian]

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If i remember correctly someone on here said death penalty is more expensive than putting someone into prison for life. Although i have to admit its hard to believe.

 

[AmerikazMost]

I think we should Euphanize all felons.

Your education proposal is commendable, but insufficient for solving the problem. It can help to solve it, but if you want to help stop crime, you have to fight against poverty and poor quality of life. Education can help people better their lives, so it will help in the sense that people can make better livings -- not so much that they'll become more enlightened human beings. People commit crimes because the risk associated with committing that crime is less than the extra quality of life that they will receive if they are successful. If the higher their original quality of life, the less the benefit outweighs the risk.

the prison system is laughable. they get to work out, take up schooling, free dental work, learn a skilled trade. and taxpayers we're the ones that suffer.

im in favor for the death penalty. they should kill criminals that murder innocent people. you put to death all the murders and rapists. that would bring in extra money in the states.

Oh yeah, so let's make them sit around and do nothing but fight, become more violent, find ways to smuggle drugs in just to keep themselves busy, and become angry about their situation. Let's offer no one the ability to make themselves better, more productive citizens. That sounds like a great idea for the betterment of society.

As far as money is concerned...

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If i remember correctly someone on here said death penalty is more expensive than putting someone into prison for life. Although i have to admit its hard to believe.

That was me, and yes, it is more expensive. The actual execution is not more expensive, but that couple with all the extra time and costs of the legal process leading up to it make it more expensive. And all that extra time and cost is absolutely necessary, because we can't just go around executing people unless we're absolutely sure that they're guilty.

With that being said, I'm against the death penalty. It's costly and there are way too many incidents of innocent people being convicted and then removed from death row. The bottom line is that it's hard to be absolutely sure.

And it's not like prison is holiday retreat. No one wants to spend the rest of their life there. There's a common misconception that because they have some privileges it must be a cozy place to live. My guess is that the people who say that have never been inside a prison, let alone spent time there.

 

[Illuminattile]

People who oppose the death penalty will find report that tell you it's more expensive than prison, and those who support it will find reports that tell you exactly the opposite.

It doesn't matter, because cost shouldn't be the deciding factor.

 

[AmerikazMost]

People who oppose the death penalty will find report that tell you it's more expensive than prison, and those who support it will find reports that tell you exactly the opposite.

It doesn't matter, because cost shouldn't be the deciding factor.

Not the DECIDING factor, but a factor.

 

[Synful*Luv]

Education has a lot to do with it, definitely. America needs some kind of reform program. It tends to ignore it's poor and impoverished, leaving them in "ghettos" letting them kill off each other in one way or another and never actually advance mentally past the age of an immature 12 yr old.

When I stop back by old neighborhoods and hear the things the people are excited about or angry over... what their main concerns are, it's really sad. I don't judge them as it's not my place, but for an unemployed 28 yr old who lives at home with their mom to be worried about name brand shoes and outfits is really sad. Especially since it may very well be at the top of their priority list.

OMG and the entire situation with kids is so frustrating. These babies keep reproducing babies! How in the hell can a 13 yr old probably raise her child when she's a child herself? Ignorance passed down from generation to generation. So many little kids who'll never have a fighting chance in life because who'll teach them? Who educates them? The preteen who gave birth? I think not.

Yeah, the poverty, lack of education, aimlessness, lack of ambition and motivation, leads to these cesspools of violence and illegal activities that our governments seem to try to control and ignore. Something definitely needs to be done, but what? Things are so bad, so out of control and go so many generations back that it seems an almost impossible task.

 

[Euphanasia]

Are you saying we should get rid of prisons because it doesnt work?

Yes. However, I'm not saying we should get rid of them now. That would be stupid. I'm saying that we need to find an alternative method to deter crime and punish criminals. Why stay with a system that is ineffective?

Education has a lot to do with it, definitely. America needs some kind of reform program. It tends to ignore it's poor and impoverished, leaving them in "ghettos" letting them kill off each other in one way or another and never actually advance mentally past the age of an immature 12 yr old.

When I stop back by old neighborhoods and hear the things the people are excited about or angry over... what their main concerns are, it's really sad. I don't judge them as it's not my place, but for an unemployed 28 yr old who lives at home with their mom to be worried about name brand shoes and outfits is really sad. Especially since it may very well be at the top of their priority list.

OMG and the entire situation with kids is so frustrating. These babies keep reproducing babies! How in the hell can a 13 yr old probably raise her child when she's a child herself? Ignorance passed down from generation to generation. So many little kids who'll never have a fighting chance in life because who'll teach them? Who educates them? The preteen who gave birth? I think not.

Yeah, the poverty, lack of education, aimlessness, lack of ambition and motivation, leads to these cesspools of violence and illegal activities that our governments seem to try to control and ignore. Something definitely needs to be done, but what? Things are so bad, so out of control and go so many generations back that it seems an almost impossible task.

That's a great post and I completely agree. What really gets me are these kids who are having kids - and the majority of the ones I see in my area are these skanks who are uneducated, poor, etc. And they don't have one kid, they pop them out over and over. They have no knowledge of contraceptives, they have no money for them even if they were interested.

And then these kids are raised by scumbag parents, in scumbag homes. They grow up poor and when they turn 12 they have children and it goes on and on.

Meanwhile, these people are all on welfare so we're the ones stuck paying for them.

 

[Little Skittle]

That's a great post and I completely agree. What really gets me are these kids who are having kids - and the majority of the ones I see in my area are these skanks who are uneducated, poor, etc. And they don't have one kid, they pop them out over and over. They have no knowledge of contraceptives, they have no money for them even if they were interested.

And then these kids are raised by scumbag parents, in scumbag homes. They grow up poor and when they turn 12 they have children and it goes on and on.

Meanwhile, these people are all on welfare so we're the ones stuck paying for them.

How can kids who are old enough to get pregnant not know what a condom is? They do. How can they not afford condoms, when you can get them for free in numerous locations? It's not that they are uneducated, it's just that they don't give a shit. I know plenty of high school girls and guys who had kids/are having kids and it's not because they are uneducated.

 

[Sebastian]

Yes. However, I'm not saying we should get rid of them now. That would be stupid. I'm saying that we need to find an alternative method to deter crime and punish criminals. Why stay with a system that is ineffective?

Because 1) there is no other option and 2) it is effective (not 100% but still effective).

In regard to education: Yes, its necessary to provide a better (or education at all) education to a lot of people in the world. But even if, hypothetically, every single person on this planet could enjoy the benefit of good education, it wouldnt make prisons dispensable, at all.

I could stretch it as far and say there is crime on this planet (for example tax evasion) due to the high standard of education. Maybe my example is a bad one, but i hope you catch my drift.

 

[Euphanasia]

How can kids who are old enough to get pregnant not know what a condom is? They do. How can they not afford condoms, when you can get them for free in numerous locations? It's not that they are uneducated, it's just that they don't give a shit. I know plenty of high school girls and guys who had kids/are having kids and it's not because they are uneducated.

just because you get them free in numerous locations doesn't mean that everybody has access to free contraceptives. and the fact that they don't give a shit is another reason as well. but why don't they care? probably because they know they can have a child at 12 and live off the system.

 

[Euphanasia]

Because 1) there is no other option and 2) it is effective (not 100% but still effective).

I could stretch it as far and say there is crime on this planet (for example tax evasion) due to the high standard of education. Maybe my example is a bad one, but i hope you catch my drift.

I think people have to be proactive about considering what else can be done as an alternative to prison. And they really aren't effective.

When prisoners come out of prison worse off than when they went in, that's not rehabilitation.

And yes, I know what you're saying about the highly educated and crime - but a lot of those tend to be more white collar crimes than violent ones.

 

[kastro]

^ u live in NZ?

yeh man Auck NZ, wea in auz u live?

 

[Sebastian]

I think people have to be proactive about considering what else can be done as an alternative to prison. And they really aren't effective.

When prisoners come out of prison worse off than when they went in, that's not rehabilitation.

And yes, I know what you're saying about the highly educated and crime - but a lot of those tend to be more white collar crimes than violent ones.

Do you know any other option than prison? Does anyone else know?

Maybe there is none?

 

[Synful*Luv]

Well birth control isn't free and it isn't cheap. I pay almost $60 a month for that crap and it still isn't 100%!!

And it's not that they don't know about condoms its that mentally they don't fully understand how getting pregnant work. Some kids seriously think if they have sex one time they can't get pregnant, or they can't get pregnant from pre cum or if he pulls out they're safe and all of the above is false. Some kids want/need love so bad because they aren't getting it at home that even if they do know all of that, they still make bad decisions because they don't want to lose the person they're dating and think they're in love with. 60% of this could be resolved if schools taught safe sex instead of abstinence but the stupid prude American government won't be allowing that anytime soon. So, we continue as we are in society, utter destruction of new generations.

 

[Synful*Luv]

Do you know any other option than prison? Does anyone else know?

Maybe there is none?

Some type of rehabilitation center? Where they undergo mental evaluation and then they break them down completely, keeping them in solitary for awhile or something. Once they are completely broken, build them back up, teach them anger management, how to work in groups, educate them, teach them a trade, etc, etc.

Also, I go back to my original idea from some months back of the family being responsible for paying for some if not all of this treatment. If said parent raises a criminal, then that parent should have to pay for the gov't to fix his/her criminal kid and teach him/her how to behave in society since the parent obviously failed at that job.