2008 US Presidential Race
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constant positive and biased mainstream media coverage does not give a canidate a win. the 18-35 year old voters will not put anyone into the white house, historically they rarely even show up to the polls on elections day but don't seem to mind going during the primaries. many undecided, indi, and conservative democrat voters will be very turned off to obama (if he gets the nomination) when the republican party starts to point out how very very far left he is. he is even more far left than hillary, which is really hard to do. the media keeps trying to portray him as unbeatable but he is able to be beat in this election. which is what i think many of the super delegates are going to start to realize.
most people that do support him say they do because A) he is black B) they want a black man in the white house C) because he is a good speaker. anyone who votes for those reasons should be sent to mexico. they certainly do not say they support him because of his stance on any issues...because we really do not know where he stands...other than he is for change (so am i, i need a pepsi right about now) and does not support a bi-partisan legislation that would make it illegal and crminal for doctors that toss babies that are born premature, and breathing mind you, into a medical waste basket.
although, pandering, good speaking, and talking a good talk about changing this and that can get someone elected. it happend in '92, but if rose perot wasnt in the race clinton may not have even won. it also worked for hitler.
most people that do support him say they do because A) he is black B) they want a black man in the white house C) because he is a good speaker. anyone who votes for those reasons should be sent to mexico. they certainly do not say they support him because of his stance on any issues...because we really do not know where he stands...other than he is for change (so am i, i need a pepsi right about now) and does not support a bi-partisan legislation that would make it illegal and crminal for doctors that toss babies that are born premature, and breathing mind you, into a medical waste basket.
although, pandering, good speaking, and talking a good talk about changing this and that can get someone elected. it happend in '92, but if rose perot wasnt in the race clinton may not have even won. it also worked for hitler.
none of what you just said makes much of a difference. it's quite clear at this point that Obama will win the Democratic nomination (unless Hillary starts buying off the super delegates that is) and even though i kinda like John McCain, he is a republican, and therefore does not stand a chance in this election. i am not for or against Obama, but it sure seems quite obvious to me that, barring any insane unforseen changes, Obama will be in the White House come next year.
it's not really clear of anything at this point. people thought it was clear last week but guess what, hillary took texas and ohio. oh, and obama has been buying delegates left and right so the man preaching of changing the old ways of politics isnt above the same old game.
as for an unforseen circumstances...look into how many people associated with the clintons have become the victims of "accidents"
as for an unforseen circumstances...look into how many people associated with the clintons have become the victims of "accidents"
If you have been following the election coverage this year even slightly, you will know that this election has been and will be nothing like any election of the past. The fact that young people have not put anyone into the White House is probably true and absolutely irrelevant in regards to this race. Records are being broken for voter turnout all over the country in ways unseen in American history and a substantial margin has been young people who have become very interested and enthralled in this upcoming election. I dare say young people will decide the next president of the United States and will even be bold enough to say that they already have.
Obama leads Clinton by about 100 delegates. Although her wins in Texas and Ohio are enough to keep her in the race until probably about June, it is clear that she cannot make up that ground on Obama unless he fucks up pretty drastically. Neither candidate is going to win too many states by a blowout, if any at all so it's clear that neither candidate is going to hit the magic number of delegates needed to seize the democratic nomination. Hence, Obama will be leading Clinton in June just as he is leading her now and it will be up to the superdelegates to decide one way or the other and they're obviously not going to rally behind the second place contender.
Going on to November - the country is in, or will soon be in, a recession. No party has been able to put one of theirs in the White House again after the country has been put in such a condition. McCain has already shown himself to be nothing less than a third George Bush who talks about being in Iraq for 100 years to a nation that is screaming to withdraw our troops now. He has no chance of winning.
Obama leads Clinton by about 100 delegates. Although her wins in Texas and Ohio are enough to keep her in the race until probably about June, it is clear that she cannot make up that ground on Obama unless he fucks up pretty drastically. Neither candidate is going to win too many states by a blowout, if any at all so it's clear that neither candidate is going to hit the magic number of delegates needed to seize the democratic nomination. Hence, Obama will be leading Clinton in June just as he is leading her now and it will be up to the superdelegates to decide one way or the other and they're obviously not going to rally behind the second place contender.
Going on to November - the country is in, or will soon be in, a recession. No party has been able to put one of theirs in the White House again after the country has been put in such a condition. McCain has already shown himself to be nothing less than a third George Bush who talks about being in Iraq for 100 years to a nation that is screaming to withdraw our troops now. He has no chance of winning.
it is relevant to this race because history repeates itself. we have seen this thing with young voters and obama in the past. i believe it was the 60's with mcgovern(sp?, i think). didn't work out. weren't records broken in voter turn out in '04? the things that make this race unlike any before is not due to the voter turn out. the biggest thing is that hillary has been campaigning since 2000. yes 2000! really hard since 2006. obama came out of left field and gave her more than her run for her money. i'm not saying obama may not get the nomination. i'm saying that it is too unpredicable a race to call. and the people that seem to keep saying this are only repeating rhetoric they hear from pundits.
we haven't had our first quarter of negative growth so we are not yet in a recession, not even half way there yet. we wont even know if we are half way there until we get the first quarter reports which wont be for a few months. the media has been saying for 8 months that we are in a recession even though we have had positive growth that has even done more than what was expected.
to say that mccain doesn't have a change is idiotic. i'm not big on mccain and im not saying he will win but to actually say he doesn't have a change against hillary or obama is to have a poor understanding of the politics and the voters. like i said, obama is very far left. that is a turn off to the voters like the conservatice democrats, indi voters, and those that havent decided yet. mccain can appeal to them because he is a more left leaning republican so he can appeal to those voters.
and i would hope you don't actually believe obama when he said he will pull troops out within 6 months, because he wont. you know another person used that same rethoric to get elected. his name was nixon.
we haven't had our first quarter of negative growth so we are not yet in a recession, not even half way there yet. we wont even know if we are half way there until we get the first quarter reports which wont be for a few months. the media has been saying for 8 months that we are in a recession even though we have had positive growth that has even done more than what was expected.
to say that mccain doesn't have a change is idiotic. i'm not big on mccain and im not saying he will win but to actually say he doesn't have a change against hillary or obama is to have a poor understanding of the politics and the voters. like i said, obama is very far left. that is a turn off to the voters like the conservatice democrats, indi voters, and those that havent decided yet. mccain can appeal to them because he is a more left leaning republican so he can appeal to those voters.
and i would hope you don't actually believe obama when he said he will pull troops out within 6 months, because he wont. you know another person used that same rethoric to get elected. his name was nixon.
Just because Santorum, obviously a republican, said it, it doesn't mean Obama's far left.
Also, out of any of the candidates in the presidential race, Obama has the best chance at appealing to Americans at either end of the political spectrum. Obama's a turn off to the independents, and McCain is not? Are you joking?
Although McCain has a better chance of winning than the media shows, I do think there's a strong current of resentment and disbelief toward the Republicans, partially thanks to Bush. People just don't want a Republican in the white house anymore!
Plus, McCain, you don't yell at a reporter for asking you a question that you've previous lied to or refused to answer.
Also, out of any of the candidates in the presidential race, Obama has the best chance at appealing to Americans at either end of the political spectrum. Obama's a turn off to the independents, and McCain is not? Are you joking?
Although McCain has a better chance of winning than the media shows, I do think there's a strong current of resentment and disbelief toward the Republicans, partially thanks to Bush. People just don't want a Republican in the white house anymore!
Plus, McCain, you don't yell at a reporter for asking you a question that you've previous lied to or refused to answer.
santorum making that claim doesn't even matter. obamas record ( and sometimes lack of) proves it. the National Journal has rated him the most liberal member of the senate and that is some tuff competition to beat out. there are many examples and people making the claim of how far left he is. it wont appeal to voters except the ones that will vote for him simply because they like the way he talks when giving a speech....what was the reason you said you were voting for obama again? 
and the fact that santorum is a republican and has made that claim is pointless. democrats have made that claim too.
and the fact that santorum is a republican and has made that claim is pointless. democrats have made that claim too.
I do believe Obama when he talks. In fact, one of the reasons why Obama is currently leading over Clinton is that he doesn't come across as a washed up politician like Hillary Clinton. He speaks to people honestly and represents a change this country has needed for some time.
When Clinton talks, I tend not to believe her quite as much. When she says that it would be a "great disservice to the voters of Florida and Michigan" if their votes aren't counted what she is really saying is - um these states will go for me and I want to win so they should count regardless of whether or not they broke the rules. If those states favored Obama, you wouldn't be hearing any BS about a great disservice to voters.
And when McCain talks.......uh well, the guy is just an asshole.
When Clinton talks, I tend not to believe her quite as much. When she says that it would be a "great disservice to the voters of Florida and Michigan" if their votes aren't counted what she is really saying is - um these states will go for me and I want to win so they should count regardless of whether or not they broke the rules. If those states favored Obama, you wouldn't be hearing any BS about a great disservice to voters.
And when McCain talks.......uh well, the guy is just an asshole.
John McCain will not do well in this election, for no other reason than that he is republican. the people do not want another republican in office and i think they've clearly shown that they want change. the thing is, at least on a personal level, i like John McCain. he seems like a very down to earth guy, and the anti-Bush in a lot of ways. but he doesn't stand a chance in this election. maybe if Obama seriously fucks up during his 4 years as President, McCain might have a shot in 2012.
obama threw a fit and walked out of a room full reporters that started to actually ask him tuff questions. that makes him look pretty bad, even though most will still follow the cult of obama
the media is portraying that the county doesnt want another repbulican in the office but the media does not speak for the country. they speak for their inner circle, shareholder, ceos, and business partners of their parent companies.
it is funny the people don't like hillary because they say she lies too much. but they let it slide with obama. his recently fired foreign policy adviser admitted that all the stuff he was saying about pulling troops out is all pandering and politics. so here is a guy that is saying he wants to change the typical way of politics but he is playing the same game.
so, onto todays questions. is Ferraro right when she said this?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/clinton-backer.html
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