If Obama became president...
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yeah hell be the first black president. i wonder if hell appoint a mexican as the vice president hahaha, does anyone remember that chappelle joke.
wouldnt it be funny if when obama won, he just got up on stage and started evil laughing in the microphone like side show bob did after he ran for mayor.
like this
i couldnt even find an evil looking photo of barrack to support my joke. awww lets elect him
wouldnt it be funny if when obama won, he just got up on stage and started evil laughing in the microphone like side show bob did after he ran for mayor.
like this
i couldnt even find an evil looking photo of barrack to support my joke. awww lets elect him
Obama for the win! I don't know if my wife is eligible to vote or not now that she lives over here, but we'll probably fly over there so she can vote for him.
oh and puff - ethnicity is about your roots, history, culture, soul and evolution. Sure it may not be 100% literally accurate to call him the first black president, but do you have a better suggestion? He's "black enough" (for want of a better term) to warrant that description and certainly no-one has the right to take that away from him.
It would be like people calling me "the first indian president" if I was in his position. i'm mixed race and my father is white but ain't nobody gonna tell me I can't refer to myself as Indian........and shit, we're not even talking a specific ethnic identity in this situation.....black is not an ethnicity. Hell, it's a blanket term and Obama sure looks black to me. Just like I damn sure look brown and I am justified in referring to myself that way.
Let's break it down to an extreme example for the purpose of making a point. Let's say, Barack was not a politician. Let's say he was an anonymous civilian that we observed in random everyday situations. Would he get treated like a black man? Would he encounter bigotry and racism? It is likely that if he encountered some racist white-supremacists, they would refer to him as a "nigger"? Yes, yes, and yes. So there's your answer.
I'm in exactly the same boat. If I was to encounter some Neo-Nazi's (which I have done in the past), you think they're gonna look at me any differently if I told them I was half white? Hell no. I've been called every racial slur in the book, including "nigger" from kids who thought I was black, "paki"....(im not pakistani either)......"sand nigger" (im not arabic).....spic (i'm not mexican).....................bigotry doesn't abide by the rules of political correctness.
Obama is a black man and will be the first black president, hopefully. I have no issues with that phrase being used.
oh and puff - ethnicity is about your roots, history, culture, soul and evolution. Sure it may not be 100% literally accurate to call him the first black president, but do you have a better suggestion? He's "black enough" (for want of a better term) to warrant that description and certainly no-one has the right to take that away from him.
It would be like people calling me "the first indian president" if I was in his position. i'm mixed race and my father is white but ain't nobody gonna tell me I can't refer to myself as Indian........and shit, we're not even talking a specific ethnic identity in this situation.....black is not an ethnicity. Hell, it's a blanket term and Obama sure looks black to me. Just like I damn sure look brown and I am justified in referring to myself that way.
Let's break it down to an extreme example for the purpose of making a point. Let's say, Barack was not a politician. Let's say he was an anonymous civilian that we observed in random everyday situations. Would he get treated like a black man? Would he encounter bigotry and racism? It is likely that if he encountered some racist white-supremacists, they would refer to him as a "nigger"? Yes, yes, and yes. So there's your answer.
I'm in exactly the same boat. If I was to encounter some Neo-Nazi's (which I have done in the past), you think they're gonna look at me any differently if I told them I was half white? Hell no. I've been called every racial slur in the book, including "nigger" from kids who thought I was black, "paki"....(im not pakistani either)......"sand nigger" (im not arabic).....spic (i'm not mexican).....................bigotry doesn't abide by the rules of political correctness.
Obama is a black man and will be the first black president, hopefully. I have no issues with that phrase being used.
^i'm simply asking a question to see how others on the board would see it.
would historians consider him the first black president? i don't think they would. i think they are going to call a spade a spade
the media is portraying him as that, the first black presidential canidate, and many people call him african american like his mother, a caucasian white woman, doesn't exist. generally when society refer to a person as a color, like white or black, it is also a reference to them being of a certain race.
everyone says that yes, he is a black man. is he also not a white man then? he is just as much caucasian as he is african.
so when the media asks the question "is american ready for a black/ african american president" should they really be asking "is american half way there to be ready to accept a black/african american president?"
would historians consider him the first black president? i don't think they would. i think they are going to call a spade a spade
the media is portraying him as that, the first black presidential canidate, and many people call him african american like his mother, a caucasian white woman, doesn't exist. generally when society refer to a person as a color, like white or black, it is also a reference to them being of a certain race.
everyone says that yes, he is a black man. is he also not a white man then? he is just as much caucasian as he is african.
so when the media asks the question "is american ready for a black/ african american president" should they really be asking "is american half way there to be ready to accept a black/african american president?"
^^
The thing is that race only matters because people make an issue out of it. If you ignore everything about human history, then no he won't be the first black president but then we wouldn't be having this discussion. The way the world is, yes he would be the first. Like Casey pointed out, the people that make an issue out of a black president don't care if he's half white, they just care he's half black.
The thing is that race only matters because people make an issue out of it. If you ignore everything about human history, then no he won't be the first black president but then we wouldn't be having this discussion. The way the world is, yes he would be the first. Like Casey pointed out, the people that make an issue out of a black president don't care if he's half white, they just care he's half black.
well that's a simplification. technically, most of the african genes are dominant to white people's genes. that's why a mixed baby is likely to take the darker traits (hair, eyes, skin color). their genetic code is made up of genes from both sides, but in the event of a white and black person making offspring, more of the black genes will be present in the child. so TECHNICALLY, he's more black than white 
then would those people just be picking and choosing what they want to see and not who he really is?
that is a good arguement 
you stumped me here
well that's a simplification. technically, most of the african genes are dominant to white people's genes. that's why a mixed baby is likely to take the darker traits (hair, eyes, skin color). their genetic code is made up of genes from both sides, but in the event of a white and black person making offspring, more of the black genes will be present in the child. so TECHNICALLY, he's more black than white
you stumped me hereYes but I explained that already. Technically he won't be the first black president but in the political sense, yes he would be. Most African Americans aren't pure blooded anyway, they're pretty much all mixed. So even if you get a black person whose parents and grandparents are all black, you'd technically still wouldn't have a black president.
Consider the fact that Malcolm X was a "quarter" white.
Consider the fact that Malcolm X was a "quarter" white.
He looks Egyptian to me. That would be our first Egyptian President.
Let's see what Obama has to say about it:
Expressing puzzlement over questions about whether he is "black enough," Obama told an August 2007 meeting of the National Association of Black Journalists that the debate is not about his physical appearance or his record on issues of concern to black voters. "What it really lays bare," Obama offered, is that "we're still locked in this notion that if you appeal to white folks then there must be something wrong."
Pwned by Obama.
Let's see what Obama has to say about it:
Expressing puzzlement over questions about whether he is "black enough," Obama told an August 2007 meeting of the National Association of Black Journalists that the debate is not about his physical appearance or his record on issues of concern to black voters. "What it really lays bare," Obama offered, is that "we're still locked in this notion that if you appeal to white folks then there must be something wrong."
Pwned by Obama.
Bob Marley's father was a white Englishman.
Try and tell people Bob Marley wasn't black. See what kinda response you get.
Has history called a spade a spade there?
Also PuffNScruff, you said:
refer to my previous post where i said:
it is usually (and understandably) very difficult for people not of color to understand what it is like to be an ethnic minority.
whether you are aware of it or not, discrimination exists 100% of the time in western society. im not necessarily talking about racism or bigotry, what i mean is that it's just there.
you are "different". you are not one of them. you stand out. whether or not you encounter racism is beside the point, because you are treated differently in general. you are looked at differently. you are always made to be very aware of being a minority in a "white" country and knowing (if you are african or indian amongst others) that your people were brought to that country as slaves.
it hit me the hardest when i went to india. it felt trippy to be somewhere where everyone looked like me. i had never felt that before. it was strange but eye-opening. the thought struck me on more than one occasion "this must be what it feels like to be white in England or the US".
you are formulated and moulded by society. everyone is. by the way people treat you. and as such, barack is most DEFINATELY a black man.
I think when most people refer to a "Black President", they mean a president "for the black people". When some Blacks say he isn't "black enough", they are not referring to what color his parents are. It's because he's not from the ghetto and hasn't explicitly represented the "Black cause" whatever cause that might be.
Aside from a few southern states, most states don't vote based on color but based on political agenda, etc. Many Black people will be voting for Hillary. A couple months ago, Denver's former mayor (First black mayor in the US, I believe) consigned to her campaign.
Aside from a few southern states, most states don't vote based on color but based on political agenda, etc. Many Black people will be voting for Hillary. A couple months ago, Denver's former mayor (First black mayor in the US, I believe) consigned to her campaign.
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