Destiny

[masta247]

Do you believe in it's existence?
Is it a part of higher being's actions?

Me myself just didn't ever believe it but now I think that it does exist but not will all things - but just with few things that just had to happen in your life anyway.

I just created this thread because today my first girlfriend I totally lost touch with more than 5 years ago somehow found my email and out of nowhere sent me a message. I was looking for her for past year or so and just gave up and now this happened. None of my friends even know her and I knew none of her friends so it'd be really a total coincidence.

Other example with my childhood friend, he lives 300km away in another city. I was there for one day, I even totally forgot about him (I met him on vacation when I was 8 years old and I just couldn't manage to get his address because he suddenly left). Few weeks ago I went to that city for a day, I went to one of 1000 pubs there and he was sitting there, and he just recognised me, remembered my name etc. I was like WTF?

Then 2 of my past best friends that didn't even know about each other - they live in 2 different cities on different ends of Poland. I even lost touch with both of them. Both spent holidays in Greece, were in the same hotel at the same time and got to know each other totally randomly. 2 Polish people meeting in Greece - that's odd. How rare is that they both were my best friends from totally different cities? And even cooler - we 3 met here and that's when I found that out.
They were even more surprised than me.

Similar things happened with many things in my life like the way I ended in my current school, I have my current interests (fe. when I was a kid I was a big fan of martial arts, then I gave it up totally and few years ago something rare and special happened to me that made me train and I love it).

Do you believe in Destiny? And I don't mean that destiny that everything what you want to happen will happen whatever you will do but the kind of destiny that there are SOME things that will happen anyway eventually? Or do I live in Truman show like reality?

So to me it mostly happened with things/people that were valuable to me years ago and I missed them in my current life - felt some kind of loss when I thinked about it long time after I gave them up and realised that I probably made a bad move doing that. Totally other thing is that sometimes I get dissapointed - When I think about the past I think like a person was special, great etc. and just don't see any bad things about her/him.
My ex from first example above is now Married and got a kid.
Not that I didn't expect that but now as I saw pics of her when she totally changed - she's not that beautiful anymore altho there are still many things in her looks that look similar.
She's not that nice, cute.
Her pics with kid, bummy husband etc. Sometimes it would be better to not know some things but I think it's destiny that it just had to happen anyway.
Also I believe that destiny is not ultimate because I decided to gave her up, changed my own life and ended much better then her. I tried to help her but couldn't - she didn't even go to high school while I'm going to a good college. Her husband is bummy while my friends are mostly nice and weatlhy.

What do you think? Do you believe in destiny the way I described it?

 

[Sebastian]

Do i believe in destiny? No i dont. I think its all coincidence.

 

[Bobby Sands]

Yea i believe that everything happens for a reason.

 

[Sebastian]

What reason?

 

[Mo_Murda]

Do i believe in destiny? No i dont. I think its all coincidence.

I agree

 

[Glockmatic]

"destiny" is something made up by people to try to poeticize what happens in life. Is it really destiny for babies who die minutes after they are born? Was it destiny for the Tutsi's to be slaughtered in Rwanda?

 

[Preach]

i don't believe that "everything happens for a reason" in the traditional sense, but if you study human behavior you know humans act on electric impulses. where does impulse A come from? why is it manifested? if you look at something that happens in your life, if you backtrack you can probably point out the direct and indirect reasons for why it happened. and for those reasons, there will be equally many direct and indirect reasons for why that happened in the first place too. rinse and repeat. theoretically, you can backtrack back to the first atom ever created in the universe. in the following ten years, you will do many things, and when the ten years are done, you will be able to backtrack this coming decade in the same way, theoretically.

let's say a woman oversleeps which makes her bump into someone she wouldn't have bumped into had she not overslept. when she bumps into that someone, they spill coffee on her shirt. she arrives at work, and with the coffee on the shirt, the secretary makes a clever joke about it that is well received by the people around. she feels appreciated and good about making a joke that hit, so for the rest of the day she'll be all happy. this'll eventually affect the mood of our woman who overslept, and make her have a good day. this will give her an energy kick that makes her go work out at a gym that night. she meets a guy there.

in that little story i have skipped so many details, little things that this woman did, that in the end would affect someone. whether she broke a finger-nail onto a counter in a waiting room where someone would later find it and feel disgusted by later on, or if she crashed with another car on her way home, somehow somewhere sometime it's gonna spawn a thought in someone's head which will affect their life on some level or another.

i don't know what i will do with my left hand in about ten minutes, but whatever it is, it'll happen in exactly ten minutes. whether i keep it still or move it or use it to slam my fist into the wall, i'll know in ten minutes. but everything that happens in those ten minutes will lead up to it. so in a sense, i do believe in destiny. i don't think destiny means that there is a one path set out for you, but i do believe the word "destiny" is a powerful word that describes how many many tiny little pieces come together to make one big picture. if anything, i consider it an acknowledgment to the fact that for every action there is a reaction. the cases you described would fall under "coincidences" for me. crazy ones though.

 

[Jokerman]

What reason?

Apollo gets jealous over Aphrodite and shit happens...

 

[Sebastian]

I somehow knew it was the little bitch Aphrodite.

 

[masta247]

@Preach you presented a really nice scheme of how you see destiny.

I think that all those crazy coincidences might happen by a really really rare chain of events but for example if there are 50 events in that chain (more or less affecting the outcome) and possibility of them occuring is between 1% and 0.0001%?
Of course situation like that just had to happen because 0.0001% in not = 0 thus it has to occure every few million times, even if chain of those events combined could give a 1/2382532498238475326589264932657892649326752356743252-5640256724(....) chance of happening it's still not zero. Considering there are thousands of things that just could happen in your life and each of them has similar chance to occur chance that something totally rare will happen is bigger.

Anyway that's scientific point of view. But do you not believe that those numbers are sometimes affected by higher being?
In certain situations that were just meant to happen in your life? Not like all situations because we control our own lifes in a certain amount, but we can't control some things that will eventually happen anyway (and I don't mean certain things like death).

 

[Jokerman]

Biology is destiny.

 

[Rahim]

I always get confused between fate and destiny though both are under the same context. I do believe in destiny and fate. Everything happens for a good reason.

Fate - the universal principle or ultimate agency by which the order of things is presumably prescribed; the decreed cause of events; time: Fate decreed that they would never meet again.

Destiny - something that is to happen or has happened to a particular person or thing; lot or fortune.

 

[Khalistani Soldier]

fuck no...i don't like the idea of me not having control of my life.

 

[Bhuddahhoodlum]

^^
i don't like it either. but even i have had to sit back and wonder about some of the situations that occured in my own life. things sometimes just work out too well sometimes. and sometimes it's like there's something telling you to do a certain action. you do it and then later on, after forgetting about it, that action becomes imperative to your life.

such things lead me to the possibility of destiny. where your actions are driving you down this "road" where eventually "fate" will have you chosing to turn left or right. after the appriopriate direction is chosen, destiny starts all over again.

bottom line, shit just don't add up on it's own to me sometimes.

 

[Stred]

i belive you make your own destiny.