08 Predictions For Wrestling

[Hituup]

WWE-will be pretty much the same as the year 2007, which pretty much sucked with a few minor exceptions with a few returns such as maybe RVD, The Dudleys/Team 3d, and of course John Cena.

TNA-Will continue to strive and grow, add on slowly to their viewership, continue to develop young stars, take women's wrestling to a better height, and have more meaningful feuds. I think TNA will do a lot of positive for 08, especially now that they'll be running more PPV's out of the Impact Zone and will be doing more house shows.

ROH-Will continue to strongly grow and make profit. May be likely to land weekly PPVs.

The New ECW-Will continue to push wrestling and feel like an independant show on a huge budget. It will continue to be the WWE's best show wrestling wise and will still continue to fail in the ratings until they lose their tv and end up on WWE.com either late next year or in the 09.

 

[Bombsquad]

WWE will still suck ass as it's been doing in the past 5 years.

TNA will continue to get better and slowly climb onto the ratings.

ROH will continue to gain notoriety.

 

[Illuminattile]

WWE-will be pretty much the same as the year 2007, which pretty much sucked with a few minor exceptions with a few returns such as maybe RVD, The Dudleys/Team 3d, and of course John Cena.[

TNA-Will continue to strive and grow, add on slowly to their viewership, continue to develop young stars, take women's wrestling to a better height, and have more meaningful feuds. I think TNA will do a lot of positive for 08, especially now that they'll be running more PPV's out of the Impact Zone and will be doing more house shows.

ROH-Will continue to strongly grow and make profit. May be likely to land weekly PPVs.

The New ECW-Will continue to push wrestling and feel like an independant show on a huge budget. It will continue to be the WWE's best show wrestling wise and will still continue to fail in the ratings until they lose their tv and end up on WWE.com either late next year or in the 09.

I disagree with all of that.

WWE is a lot more entertaining than TNA. The Edge/Undertaker/Batista feud on SmackDown is great, and Jeff Hardy's push is being really well handled on RAW. The Ric Flair storyline is probably the most interesting storyline in wrestling. 2008 will hopefully see MVP get a nice push, too. And the return of the Cruiserweight belt. And some genuine tag teams.

TNA will probably continued to be badly booked unless they dump Russo et al, and bring in Heyman or let Cornette take the reigns. The fact that TNA had FIVE nominations for the 2007 Gooker Award, despite having only one hour of television a week for most of the year, shows how bad they can be. The same as WWE, which has 5 hours of TV a week, and more PPV events.

ROH...I don't know. They'll continue to put on good shows, I'm sure, but I doubt their popularity will increase in any meaningful way.

ECW should improve, once Punk stops fucking around with Big Daddy V and has more matches with Chavo and Shelton.

 

[Prize Gotti]

where has this rumouer that the dudleys are coming back to wwe come from? They seem happy at TNA.

 

[Get In The Van I Have Candy]

where has this rumouer that the dudleys are coming back to wwe come from? They seem happy at TNA.

Just wishful thinking on the poster's part.

WWE will still be the same since the many years it has been on, nothing has changed. Same people with the power, same people scripting the storylines.

TNA has potential but they just don't know how to reach WWE fans. I have been stating this every single time a TNA thread has been started. To be succesful you need to reach the casual fan and the WWE fan. How? Move TNA to Monday so you can start some competition with WWE. The ring, make it traditional. Don West is way to animated and sells almost every single move. Relax.

ROH. I don't know. I can't afford their PPV's or really interested in their product.

ECW. I guess I am one of the few who actually watched the original ECW not this water down crap. I just can't watch.

 

[Snowman]

RAW- will run the same for a while. Orton will hold the belt until HHH wants to be champ. HHH has his run for a short time til Cena returns. when they do the draft again you'll see Mark Henry on RAW to feud with Cena. hopefully they'll bring in some new stars and push them to be good (Lets hope they dont turn into DH Smith). Jeff Hardy will fall back eventually maybe draft time Jeff will wind up on SD. Flair leaving for good (Thank God). thats a shame WWE dont make him a 17 time champion, but thats what you get with soap opera writers.


ECW-- just take that show out back and put a bullet in it. take all their stars and put them on RAW and SD a supplemental draft. that show is not gonna get any better. Chavo's thinking in the back of his mind damm i wish my contract was up so i can leave for TNA and be with my uncle Hector. WWE has fucked me over and demoted me to ECW Of all things.

Smackdown- will still be a B-show, they'll feed us Batista/Edge Feuds til they become stale. Undertaker will sit out most of 08 like he did in 07. at least they may have a few good months when Umaga gets drafted to their show and gets put in a feud with the Taker. and loses to him i say at least 12 times. draft time they'll lose a big name or two and get someone like Santino Marella in return. you'll hear Micheal Cole say "well at least santino is a good talent". they'll have a big injury so Vince will send Y2J over to make up for a waisted promotion on RAW and to make his son in law happy. Chris will wind up being champion sometime in 2008.

TNA- yeah the show isnt great right now. but these guys will have a big name sign with them this year. (Big Show, Lita, or someone from the 90's). will finally start pushing some of the younger guys to be top talent. (Kaz, Robert Roode, Daniels) yes there gonna lose the dudleys, both want one final run in the WWE. before they call it quits.

and there you have it.

 

[Tha_Wood]

pretty much agree with everything that snowman says

 

[Illuminattile]

TNA has potential but they just don't know how to reach WWE fans. I have been stating this every single time a TNA thread has been started. To be succesful you need to reach the casual fan and the WWE fan. How? Move TNA to Monday so you can start some competition with WWE. The ring, make it traditional. Don West is way to animated and sells almost every single move. Relax.

Moving iMPACT to Monday nights would be suicidal. They're not WCW, they don't have the star power to convince people to change the channel. If they can't convince wrestling fans to watch their show on a Saturday night, how are they going to convince them to watch it on a Monday night when RAW is on the other side? If anything, they need to put the show on right before or after RAW.

They don't need to steal RAW's viewers. People can quite easily watch RAW and iMPACT every week. They're only competing when it comes to the PPVs each month, so TNA needs to build up their big shows better. TNA PPVs are already cheaper than WWEs, so they can compete on that front if they can build them up better.

I don't know why people have a problem with the ring, either. If a casual fan is flicking through the channels and sees Kurt Angle or Sting standing in a 6-sided ring, there's a good chance he'll think "Hey, that's Kurt Angle or Sting. Hey that ring has six sides, I wonder how that works". I like it, it makes them look different to WWE.

 

[Hituup]

I disagree with all of that.

WWE is a lot more entertaining than TNA. The Edge/Undertaker/Batista feud on SmackDown is great, and Jeff Hardy's push is being really well handled on RAW. The Ric Flair storyline is probably the most interesting storyline in wrestling. 2008 will hopefully see MVP get a nice push, too. And the return of the Cruiserweight belt. And some genuine tag teams.

WWE a lot more entertaining than TNA? Naturally, they should be since they have about a 60 year head start. But with that said, are you smoking crack? I don't find a show being built around a bastard leprauchaun and a company owner entertaining. WWE is garbage and has been garbage since 2002. Stop holding on and lying to yourself. The only thing WWE is doing well is on Smackdown involving Batista, Edge, and Undertaker. The only reason Jeff is getting a push is because HHH is pushing for it. Other than that, no one really has interest or cares if Jeff Hardy wins the WWE title or not. Not saying Hardy isn't well deserved but there's other guys on there roster that can generate more interest in a title program more than him. It would be nice and refreshing if he probably became champion but no one really cares about Jeff Hardy.

Tag team division is a fucking joke! The tag team division is like nonexistant and barely has teams but yet their are 2 tag titles. WTF? WWE just throws together tag teams and doesn't even care about giving the teams names like how they use to in the old days. That just shows how much emphasis they put in their tag division. As good as Miz and Morrison may be as champs, they're only filler as well as Shannon Moore and Wan Yang as well as Cody Rhodes/Holly as well as Santino/Carlito. On Raw, you've got Cade & Murdoch who are useless. London & Kendrick are being wasted.

And Ric Flair? We know he'll pull off victory after victory until he gets screwed. Same old shit!

Look how much of the roster isn't even being utilized. Kenny Dykstra, Hacksaw(Why is he still employed), Boogeyman(waste), London and Kendrick(doing nothing), Highlanders(garbage and doing nothing), Charlie Haas(doing nothing) Elijah Burke(doing nothing). 2 great women's wrestlers like Victoria and Mickie James are being wasted but yet talentless broads like Kelly Kelly, Torie Wilson, and Maria get tv time while real trained women's wrestlers are given a backseat. Kane(doing nothing) Jericho(waste of a return). All these waste but yet you've got Hornswoggle and Vince running around hogging up tv time from talented guys like Super Crazy who can barely land a spot on tv even though the WWE has 5 hours of television a week, the guy can barely land a spot on one show.

TNA will probably continued to be badly booked unless they dump Russo et al, and bring in Heyman or let Cornette take the reigns. The fact that TNA had FIVE nominations for the 2007 Gooker Award, despite having only one hour of television a week for most of the year, shows how bad they can be. The same as WWE, which has 5 hours of TV a week, and more PPV events.

Cliche! Bad booking! Vince Russo! Don West! Same old bullshit from a casual internet fan copying and pasting what someone wrote about TNA on a forum a year or 2 ago without probably watching for himself. 2007 Gooker Award? And WTF is that?! Is that some guy's internet column? Is that something I should take holy? How many did WWE get? Hornswoggle vs. Khali? Boogeyman vs. Anybody! Oh yeah WWE is booking and entertaining!

If you've been watching TNA lately, you'll see the vast improvements the product has made. Since the 2 hours, TNA has been strongly focusing on character development and is showing off a whole lot of new personas in their existing talent along with better storylines, better feuds, better buildups. Just look for instance at how TNA is building their young guys around their established guys and has some very interesting storylines and feuds with months of backbone and story behind them like the way wrestling use to be. You've got AJ Styles in the center of a feud between Cage and Angle. You've got Samoa Joe in a program with Kevin Nash. You've got Robert Roode feuding with Booker T. You've got Kaz feuding with Black Reign. You've got Team 3D in a program with 4 X division guys in Johnny Devine, Black Machismo, and the Motor City Machine Gunz. You've got Scott Steiner building up a program with Petey Williams.

You've got a great storyline where Samoa Joe is fed up with TNA and is going wild on everybody. You've got two of the biggest egos and heels in TNA with Kurt Angle and Cage going at it with AJ in the mix about whose side he's on. Robert Roode and Ms. Brookes not getting along (that WWE is now even biting with Palumbo/McCool) now being dragged in with Booker T and Sharmell. LAX and the mystery lady revealed as Shelly Martinez and their program with Rock N' Rave Infection and Christy Hemme. You've got the best women's feud in wrestling with Gail Kim and Awesome Kong, who have produced 2 women's MOTYC whenever they've faced off.

TNA got the richest roster, the best wrestling crowd on tv, the best women's division, the best and strongest tag team division, utilizes their talent the most, doesn't discriminate based on size, is the most innovative. The only thing they need to work on is to have longer matches and less commercial breaks and they'll be further than the WWE by far.

Try again and don't give me the same old cliche bullshit about TNA that people have been trying to force on others for the past years.

 

[Illuminattile]

I don't find a show being built around a bastard leprauchaun and a company owner entertaining.

You'd rather watch Emo Goldust waddling around with a rat? Or Eric fucking Young?!

Other than that, no one really has interest or cares if Jeff Hardy wins the WWE title or not. Not saying Hardy isn't well deserved but there's other guys on there roster that can generate more interest in a title program more than him. It would be nice and refreshing if he probably became champion but no one really cares about Jeff Hardy.

You need a hearing aid. Hardy is as over as anyone in the company. He won't win the belt, but the fans would go nuts if he did.

Tag team division is a fucking joke! The tag team division is like nonexistant and barely has teams but yet their are 2 tag titles. WTF? WWE just throws together tag teams and doesn't even care about giving the teams names like how they use to in the old days. That just shows how much emphasis they put in their tag division. As good as Miz and Morrison may be as champs, they're only filler as well as Shannon Moore and Wan Yang as well as Cody Rhodes/Holly as well as Santino/Carlito. On Raw, you've got Cade & Murdoch who are useless. London & Kendrick are being wasted.

I'd take Cade and Murdoch over the washed up Team 3D every day of the week, and Londrick are no more wasted than Shelley and Sabin.

And Ric Flair? We know he'll pull off victory after victory until he gets screwed. Same old shit!

The big question is, who'll beat him? And that's something that people do care about.

Look how much of the roster isn't even being utilized. Kenny Dykstra, Hacksaw(Why is he still employed), Boogeyman(waste), London and Kendrick(doing nothing), Highlanders(garbage and doing nothing), Charlie Haas(doing nothing) Elijah Burke(doing nothing). 2 great women's wrestlers like Victoria and Mickie James are being wasted but yet talentless broads like Kelly Kelly, Torie Wilson, and Maria get tv time while real trained women's wrestlers are given a backseat. Kane(doing nothing) Jericho(waste of a return). All these waste but yet you've got Hornswoggle and Vince running around hogging up tv time from talented guys like Super Crazy who can barely land a spot on tv even though the WWE has 5 hours of television a week, the guy can barely land a spot on one show.

You're angry because Hacksaw Jim Duggan and the Boogeyman aren't on TV? Charlie Haas has just got a new gimmick, which gives him some much needed charisma, Maria and Santino are highlights of RAW every week, and Jericho's feud with JBL has been good so far. You act like Vince and Hornswoggle dominate the show, when they don't. Vince is great at what he does, and he's helping to give Flair a good send-off, and get William Regal over (which even you can't deny is a good thing). Hornswoggle's involvement is comic relief, and it does its job.

It's laughable that a TNA fan can talk about one person dominating the show. iMPACT consists of 15 minutes of wrestling, 30 minutes of ads and 75 minutes of Kurt Angle recycling some lame slapstick comedy with Jeremy Borash. You can talk about Maria and Kelly Kelly getting more air time than Victoria, but Karen Angle has had more air time this year than genuine talents like Christopher Daniels, Jimmy Rave and the MCMG.

Cliche! Bad booking! Vince Russo! Don West! Same old bullshit from a casual internet fan copying and pasting what someone wrote about TNA on a forum a year or 2 ago without probably watching for himself.

Try and tell me that the Feast or Fired match was good booking. Try and tell me that bringing in Pac Man Jones was a good idea.

If you've been watching TNA lately, you'll see the vast improvements the product has made. Since the 2 hours, TNA has been strongly focusing on character development and is showing off a whole lot of new personas in their existing talent along with better storylines, better feuds, better buildups. Just look for instance at how TNA is building their young guys around their established guys and has some very interesting storylines and feuds with months of backbone and story behind them like the way wrestling use to be. You've got AJ Styles in the center of a feud between Cage and Angle. You've got Samoa Joe in a program with Kevin Nash. You've got Robert Roode feuding with Booker T. You've got Kaz feuding with Black Reign. You've got Team 3D in a program with 4 X division guys in Johnny Devine, Black Machismo, and the Motor City Machine Gunz. You've got Scott Steiner building up a program with Petey Williams.

They gave Kaz a title shot out of the blue, he lost and then went into a feud with Black Reign. Fantastic.

the best wrestling crowd on tv, the best women's division

And how many of those in the crowd would be there if they had to pay every week?

Try again and don't give me the same old cliche bullshit about TNA that people have been trying to force on others for the past years.

Once TNA stops making the same mistakes over and over again, people will stop pointing them out.

Take a look at TNA's last PPV, Final Resolution. They had a good women's title match, a good World Title match and a couple of decent matches in between, but they still filled the show with shit.

They put far more emphasis on AJ Styles than on the belt. Angle and Cage should have been concerned about winning/retaining the TNA World Title, not getting Styles to be their lackey.

LAX beat Rock 'n' Rave Infection in a sloppy match, then Tenay and West had to pretend to be shocked when the third LAX member (the one with the massive tits) turned out to be a woman.

They had a pointless drinking contest between James Storm and Eric Young, which got far too much screen time.

Kaz beat Black Reign in a predictably bad match that lasted 7 minutes.

Pointless backstage segments with the Angles and Jeremy Borash.

James Mitchell threatened to reveal YET ANOTHER "secret" from Abyss's past

A lame brawl between Abyss and Mesias, followed by some "I'm-going-to-set-you-on-fire" schtick that Russo used to do back in 1998.

Ms. Brooks and Sharmell wrestling higher on the card than the women that actually have talent.

Tenay and West went overboard when Roode hit Sharmell, despite the fact that far worse violence takes place all the time in TNA (Awesome Kong got drilled in the head with a steel chair earlier, and I don't know why TNA are allowing wrestlers to take shots like that at all)

They had Team 3D and Devine keep the X Division title, unfortunately prolonging that feud.

Go and read Lance Storm's columns, he's better than most people are at pointing out the many drawbacks of TNA's product (as well as WWEs).

 

[Hituup]

You'd rather watch Emo Goldust waddling around with a rat? Or Eric fucking Young?!

I'd rather watch that than watching a fucking guy putting a mouthful of worms in his mouth and having him spit it out and come through his nose. I'd rather watch that than watch the talentless Great Khali botch a chop. I'd rather watch that than see a waste like Hornswoggle get the most tv time.

You need a hearing aid. Hardy is as over as anyone in the company. He won't win the belt, but the fans would go nuts if he did.

Sure he is because the women keep screaming.:laugh:

I'd take Cade and Murdoch over the washed up Team 3D every day of the week, and Londrick are no more wasted than Shelley and Sabin.

Cade & Murdoch over Team 3D! Let's hope that's a joke cause that would just show how bad you're taste in wrestling is. You'd take a bunch of generic recycled redneck gimmick guys over an established team who until this day still put on decent wrestling matches. I don't remember one good Cade & Murdoch feud let alone match. And I'm sure there are many more like me. But I bet you, I and more people can tell you how many good feuds and matchups 3D was involved in back in 07.

London & Kendrick more wasted than Shelley and Sabin??:woah: Please shutup because now you're exposing yourself. MCMG is TNA's most over and hottest tag team right now. Their T-shirts outsell anyone's t-shirts in TNA. Do you realize these guys hold a clean victory over Team 3D, who is one of the most accomplished tag teams whether you like them or not? Wasted is London & Kendrick. They went from long reigning tag champs to guys who barely get tv time on Raw. Are they even involved in any type of angle right now? Do they even get pops?

The big question is, who'll beat him? And that's something that people do care about.

No, the question is how will he get screwed out of a victory just so he can have a semi feud with Vince McMahon?

You're angry because Hacksaw Jim Duggan and the Boogeyman aren't on TV?

I'm not angry about nothing. I just happened to use those bums as an example about how much guys on their roster are not being used but yet you have a waste of space midget like Hornswoggle running around each week on the top shows.

Charlie Haas has just got a new gimmick, which gives him some much needed charisma

About time right? And how many years did it take the WWE to come up with this? They could've made this guy Vince's son rather than the leprauchan.

Maria and Santino are highlights of RAW every week

They should be. I mean when was the last time Santino won a match?

Jericho's feud with JBL has been good so far.

Jericho's feud with JBL=filler. The only thing good about it is JBL's mic work. Jericho's return was one of wrestling's biggest flop. No one cares about Jericho! Could it be booking? Hmmh

You act like Vince and Hornswoggle dominate the show, when they don't. Vince is great at what he does, and he's helping to give Flair a good send-off, and get William Regal over (which even you can't deny is a good thing). Hornswoggle's involvement is comic relief, and it does its job.

Maybe you need eyes because Raw always circles around Vince, Regal, and his Vince's corny ass "tough love" angle. And now there slowly leaking that bastard angle onto Smackdown and putting Finlay in the mix. Vince McMahon is fucking annoying. His gimmick is played out and he was tired after the Austin/McMahon thing ended. He needs to get back in the limo and die already.

And Hornswoggle is funny, IF YOU'RE 12 fucking years old!!! Hornswoggle is a waste. Get him off the fucking tv. The shit is a joke.

 

[Hituup]

It's laughable that a TNA fan can talk about one person dominating the show. iMPACT consists of 15 minutes of wrestling, 30 minutes of ads and 75 minutes of Kurt Angle recycling some lame slapstick comedy with Jeremy Borash.

At least Angle is entertaining to most fans who aren't under 6. At least Kurt Angle carrying a show gets better reviews from fans than Vince who has been the center of Raw for over a decade now.

I'm more than a TNA fan. I'm a realists, while you're in denial and holding onto the E with the lie that the E is producing good tv when it's clearly garbage. It's probably better than it was around the Katie Vick time but that's not saying much. You got people fucking exploding in limos and you call that shit entertaining.:woah:

Yeah TNA does some dumb shit sometimes but they are excused due to lack of experience. WWE should be light years ahead of the bullshit they put on Tv seeing as they almost went out of business. You'd think they'd have their act together after the Monday Night Wars, but yet they go on and produce worse programming years later.

You can talk about Maria and Kelly Kelly getting more air time than Victoria, but Karen Angle has had more air time this year than genuine talents like Christopher Daniels, Jimmy Rave and the MCMG.

Well No shit, Karen gets plenty of tv time. Her husband who she manages is the World Champion. When Booker T was on Raw, Sharmell was getting the most tv time as well.

Try and tell me that the Feast or Fired match was good booking. Try and tell me that bringing in Pac Man Jones was a good idea.

And tell me if Hornswoggle/Khali is good booking? Tell me Hornswoggle pinning former world champions is genious. Tell me Vince blowing up in a limo and dying while the commentators had to hold it in and play sad was fucking creative or entertaining! Tell me the planned funeral service would've made good TV! Tell me Stephanie's bad acting and forcefully trying to cry was good acting and convincing! You've got to be sad to compare the little mistakes TNA makes to the atrocities the WWE puts on. You've got to be a real mark to try to excuse the WWE over TNA.

They gave Kaz a title shot out of the blue, he lost and then went into a feud with Black Reign. Fantastic.

Yes, Black Reign. Black Reign is doing his job in TNA as a veteran by putting young guys over. Whether you feel him or his gimmick is worthy or not is up to you, but he's doing his job and is working with the young guys. You can't say the same for Hacksaw, who is an employed WWE legend, can you?

And how many of those in the crowd would be there if they had to pay every week?

I don't know. I do know that when TNA leaves Orlando to do shows or PPVs, they get good attendance. They get good showout from the fans at fanfest and autograph signings as well. So there you go.

Once TNA stops making the same mistakes over and over again, people will stop pointing them out.

Point them out so they can get better. That's what they need because they come on the internet, read comments, and try to improve upon the criticism. But don't be a mark and try to point out only TNA's mistakes and leave the WWE free to go when they make about 20x the amount of mistakes. Be a fucking realists! WWE does the most stupid shit!!! TNA is still young in the game, they're suppose to make mistakes and hopefully not do it again. No one is saying TNA is flawless but they are working to get better and hopefully won't repeat past mistakes in their later years.

They put far more emphasis on AJ Styles than on the belt.

Exactly, because TNA is building up AJ Styles and putting emphasis on how important of a factor he can be. His role is well deserved for him.

LAX beat Rock 'n' Rave Infection in a sloppy match,

Sloppy match?? Are you crazy!? What was sloppy about that match? You're probably the same guy to call Michaels/Cena II a classic, aren't you?

then Tenay and West had to pretend to be shocked when the third LAX member (the one with the massive tits) turned out to be a woman.

As if you never saw commentators play pretend. It was only last June when you saw commentators become actors, pretending to be saddened by "McMahon's death". NEXt

They had a pointless drinking contest between James Storm and Eric Young, which got far too much screen time.

And I can point out the amount of pointless bikini contests, danceoffs, and diva search contests that get far too much screen time as well.

Pointless backstage segments with the Angles and Jeremy Borash.

As pointless as Vince/Regal/Coach/Hornswoggle?

James Mitchell threatened to reveal YET ANOTHER "secret" from Abyss's past

And Vince McMahon still loves cock and is threatening to fire people a decade later. Talk about recycled Russo.

Ms. Brooks and Sharmell wrestling higher on the card than the women that actually have talent.

No shit! They were in a mix tag match with upper card talent. Ie: Booker T and Robert Roode who were also involved in the match.

Tenay and West went overboard when Roode hit Sharmell, despite the fact that far worse violence takes place all the time in TNA (Awesome Kong got drilled in the head with a steel chair earlier, and I don't know why TNA are allowing wrestlers to take shots like that at all)

Exactly. And every week on Raw, I hear dead old Jim Ross and King get excited about a thumb to the neck finisher from Umaga and call it lethal, but yet they barely sell Victoria's Widow Peak which could actually kill someone in real life.

They had Team 3D and Devine keep the X Division title, unfortunately prolonging that feud.

It's unfortunate but the feud is doing what it's suppose to do and is giving the young guys exposure like MCMG, Black Machismo, and Devine.

Overall review of your review=nitpicking! Give me a break with all your nitpicking, will you? You see the same shit in the WWE but look past it without a problem. All of a sudden, you want to act like it's a sin when in TNA. Give me a fucking break!

Go and read Lance Storm's columns, he's better than most people are at pointing out the many drawbacks of TNA's product (as well as WWEs).

I'm not reading shit! I don't need to read any columns from some hasbeen to formulate an opinion on products I watch. That's the difference between me and you. You let others influence what you think and then you want to come on the internet and retype their cliche bullshit in different ways. Me! I think for myself. His opinion isn't anymore holier than anyones. I have eyes, hands, feet, brains, and ears also. He bleeds just like me. What makes him so special? He's just another guy with an opinion and maybe even an agenda.

 

[Illuminattile]

I'd rather watch that than watching a fucking guy putting a mouthful of worms in his mouth and having him spit it out and come through his nose. I'd rather watch that than watch the talentless Great Khali botch a chop. I'd rather watch that than see a waste like Hornswoggle get the most tv time.

I can't remember the last time I saw Boogeyman on TV, so that tells me how often you watch the show.

Sure he is because the women keep screaming.

Honestly, get your ears checked.

Cade & Murdoch over Team 3D! Let's hope that's a joke cause that would just show how bad you're taste in wrestling is. You'd take a bunch of generic recycled redneck gimmick guys over an established team who until this day still put on decent wrestling matches. I don't remember one good Cade & Murdoch feud let alone match. And I'm sure there are many more like me. But I bet you, I and more people can tell you how many good feuds and matchups 3D was involved in back in 07.

Cade & Murdoch's feud with London and Kendrick was much better to anything Team 3D have been involved in in years. Team 3D are completely washed up, they're almost as bad as Voodoo Kin Mafia (PLEASE, try and defend them).

London & Kendrick more wasted than Shelley and Sabin??:woah: Please shutup because now you're exposing yourself. MCMG is TNA's most over and hottest tag team right now. Their T-shirts outsell anyone's t-shirts in TNA. Do you realize these guys hold a clean victory over Team 3D, who is one of the most accomplished tag teams whether you like them or not?

MCMG have been curtain jerking PPVs, while RICK FUCKING STEINER has been challenging for the TNA Tag Titles. I don't care how many t-shirts they sell, that just shows that the fans have better taste that the TNA bookers.

I'm not angry about nothing. I just happened to use those bums as an example about how much guys on their roster are not being used but yet you have a waste of space midget like Hornswoggle running around each week on the top shows.

Again, comic relief. Like Eric Young, except some people can still stand the sight of Hornswoggle.

About time right? And how many years did it take the WWE to come up with this? They could've made this guy Vince's son rather than the leprauchan.

That's the worst idea I've ever heard. Do you work for TNA?

Jericho's feud with JBL=filler. The only thing good about it is JBL's mic work. Jericho's return was one of wrestling's biggest flop. No one cares about Jericho! Could it be booking? Hmmh

A LOT more people paid to see Jericho face Randy Orton than paid to see Kurt Angle take on Christian Cage.

Maybe you need eyes because Raw always circles around Vince, Regal, and his Vince's corny ass "tough love" angle. And now there slowly leaking that bastard angle onto Smackdown and putting Finlay in the mix. Vince McMahon is fucking annoying. His gimmick is played out and he was tired after the Austin/McMahon thing ended. He needs to get back in the limo and die already.

Vince McMahon is a better heel than most people in the business, certainly better than anyone currently in TNA. He's helped to get Finlay over, he's helped to get Regal over, he's contributing to the excellent Ric Flair angle etc. etc.

At least Angle is entertaining to most fans who aren't under 6. At least Kurt Angle carrying a show gets better reviews from fans than Vince who has been the center of Raw for over a decade now.

iMPACT gets better reviews than RAW? Amongst who, your fellow brainwashed YouTubers?

I'm more than a TNA fan. I'm a realists, while you're in denial and holding onto the E with the lie that the E is producing good tv when it's clearly garbage.

The problem with TNA fanboys is that they're just conditioned to believe that WWE is shit, and TNA is the "alternative". They seem oblivious to the fact that TNA is just WWE lite. TNA does exactly what TNA does, only worse.

Yeah TNA does some dumb shit sometimes but they are excused due to lack of experience. WWE should be light years ahead of the bullshit they put on Tv seeing as they almost went out of business. You'd think they'd have their act together after the Monday Night Wars, but yet they go on and produce worse programming years later.

Lack of experience? Do you even know who's in charge of TNA? Vince Russo has tons of experience. No experience of being successful, but plenty of experience in wrestling.

Well No shit, Karen gets plenty of tv time. Her husband who she manages is the World Champion. When Booker T was on Raw, Sharmell was getting the most tv time as well.

The difference is, Booker and Sharmell didn't take up most of the show with ridiculous backstage segments

And tell me if Hornswoggle/Khali is good booking? Tell me Hornswoggle pinning former world champions is genious. Tell me Vince blowing up in a limo and dying while the commentators had to hold it in and play sad was fucking creative or entertaining! Tell me the planned funeral service would've made good TV! Tell me Stephanie's bad acting and forcefully trying to cry was good acting and convincing! You've got to be sad to compare the little mistakes TNA makes to the atrocities the WWE puts on. You've got to be a real mark to try to excuse the WWE over TNA.

The "Vince's death" angle was shit, yes. But that doesn't hide the fact that TNA is constantly guilty of bad booking.

Yes, Black Reign. Black Reign is doing his job in TNA as a veteran by putting young guys over. Whether you feel him or his gimmick is worthy or not is up to you, but he's doing his job and is working with the young guys. You can't say the same for Hacksaw, who is an employed WWE legend, can you?

Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrestles on Heat. Black Reign wrestles on TNA PPVs, ahead of guys like Christopher Daniels who can actually wrestle.

WWE does the most stupid shit!!! TNA is still young in the game, they're suppose to make mistakes and hopefully not do it again. No one is saying TNA is flawless but they are working to get better and hopefully won't repeat past mistakes in their later years.

TNA has been around for nearly 6 years, and it's made such little progress. Everybody said they'd take off once they got a big name star, they didn't. Everybody said they'd take off once they got a TV show, they didn't. Everybody said they'd take off once they got 2 hours, they didn't.

They're not going to improve with Vince Russo holding the reigns.

Sloppy match?? Are you crazy!? What was sloppy about that match? You're probably the same guy to call Michaels/Cena II a classic, aren't you?

Oh, I see. You think because it had a couple of nice spots that it was a good match? That explains a lot.

And I can point out the amount of pointless bikini contests, danceoffs, and diva search contests that get far too much screen time as well.

The Diva search was barely on TV this year, thankfully. At least looking at hot women is easy on the eyes, watching James Storm and Eric Young pretend to be drunk is just painful.

As pointless as Vince/Regal/Coach/Hornswoggle?

You don't watch RAW much, do you? Vince and Regal are used in short segments to set up matches. Hornswoggle, over the year, has been overused. But at least he's over with the fans.

And Vince McMahon still loves cock...

Seriously, when was the last time you watched RAW?

No shit! They were in a mix tag match with upper card talent. Ie: Booker T and Robert Roode who were also involved in the match.

So you're letting that pass? You're just going to ignore the fact that two non-wrestling women were higher on the card than women that can wrestle?

Exactly. And every week on Raw, I hear dead old Jim Ross and King get excited about a thumb to the neck finisher from Umaga and call it lethal, but yet they barely sell Victoria's Widow Peak which could actually kill someone in real life.

I'm not talking about wrestling moves, I'm talking about overselling Robert Roode hitting Sharmell, as if that's a million times worse than everything else on the show.

I'm not reading shit! I don't need to read any columns from some hasbeen to formulate an opinion on products I watch. That's the difference between me and you. You let others influence what you think and then you want to come on the internet and retype their cliche bullshit in different ways. Me! I think for myself. His opinion isn't anymore holier than anyones. I have eyes, hands, feet, brains, and ears also. He bleeds just like me. What makes him so special? He's just another guy with an opinion and maybe even an agenda.

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Lance Storm knows a lot more about wrestling than you ever will. If you're happy to buy into the TNA hype, to buy into the "WWE is evil!!11 TNA is gud!!!" bullshit, then fine. Down the line, you'll probably realise that you're just watching a poor man's version WWE.

I think the problem with you is, you don't know what's good and what's not. You see "Batista vs. Undertaker" and assume it was a shit match because they're two limited wrestlers. You probably wouldn't appreciate it, because neither guy was doing shooting star presses. If I showed you Flair vs. Savage from WrestleMania 8, and you didn't know what you were supposed to think about it, you'd probably hate it.

 

[Hituup]

I can't remember the last time I saw Boogeyman on TV, so that tells me how often you watch the show.

He's fucking injured and still on the roster list. He still has a job.

Honestly, get your ears checked.

You check your own ears. Nothing but mostly women scream for him. Most of the time, he's not that over with the males unless he does his high risk daredevil tactics.

Cade & Murdoch's feud with London and Kendrick was much better to anything Team 3D have been involved in in years. Team 3D are completely washed up, they're almost as bad as Voodoo Kin Mafia (PLEASE, try and defend them).

Cade & Murdoch/London & Kendrick. No one but a mark would only remember there feuds and corny matches that got little to no fucking crowd reactions! All of 3D's feuds last year with LAX, The Steiners, and up until the Motor City Machine Gunz and now with the whole X-division have been gold. You can hate on Team 3D all you want. But they are established while Cade & Murdoch are nothing but a generic makeshift tag team that'll remain nobodies and most likely fade into oblivion once they begin their singles career.

MCMG have been curtain jerking PPVs, while RICK FUCKING STEINER has been challenging for the TNA Tag Titles. I don't care how many t-shirts they sell, that just shows that the fans have better taste that the TNA bookers.

You just show your lack of fucking knowledge on TNA. MCMG has been constantly booked strong and has been constantly winning. They got a victory over Team 3D and is still currently feuding with them. The fuck are you talking about curtain jerking! They're the most over tag team in TNA. And the last team, Rick Steiner was in a tag match was two fucking months ago and he was only there to put over Styles and Tomko. Try seriously watching the product.

Again, comic relief. Like Eric Young, except some people can still stand the sight of Hornswoggle.

Comic relief? U mean more like a shove down people's throats such as WWE marks such as yourself continue to eat up and turn a blindsight to.

That's the worst idea I've ever heard. Do you work for TNA?

Let's get this straight. You feel it's a bad idea to give a talented wrestler on a roster a push next to the owner of a company that you deemed as the best heel in wrestling but yet you feel it's okay for a midget who can't have a serious match be given that push instead? Yeah there's definitely something wrong with you. I see why you are a WWE mark!

A LOT more people paid to see Jericho face Randy Orton than paid to see Kurt Angle take on Christian Cage.

Well no shit Sherlock. Of course more people are obviously going to see that. Who performs on bigger platforms? What company has an established TV fanbase? What company is mainstream! That's like saying that Khali/Cena matches are more worthy than an ROH Bryan Danielson/McGuiness match just because of crowd attendance. You know how stupid you sound?

Vince McMahon is a better heel than most people in the business, certainly better than anyone currently in TNA. He's helped to get Finlay over, he's helped to get Regal over, he's contributing to the excellent Ric Flair angle etc. etc.

Vince McMahon=the same old shit. What sense does it even make for this guy to get so much tv time. He's not an active wrestler on the roster. He can give his role to someone else to get them over. Vince is tiring. If it's not Vince vs. Lashley, it's Vince vs. Hogan, it's Vince vs. HHH, it's Vince vs. HBK, it's Vince vs. Family, Vince vs. Cena. You must be a fan of redundancy.

iMPACT gets better reviews than RAW? Amongst who, your fellow brainwashed YouTubers?

Amongst real wrestling fans. Obviously marks such as yourself are not included in that bunch! Kim/Kong feud>>>>>>>>>WWE world title division and that's fucking sad that women are producing better tv than the men in the E.:laugh:

The problem with TNA fanboys is that they're just conditioned to believe that WWE is shit, and TNA is the "alternative". They seem oblivious to the fact that TNA is just WWE lite. TNA does exactly what TNA does, only worse.

And the problem with WWE marks such as yourself is that you fail to realize that TNA is still evolving and while even evolving is still putting on arguably better program than a company with decades of experience.

Lack of experience? Do you even know who's in charge of TNA? Vince Russo has tons of experience. No experience of being successful, but plenty of experience in wrestling.

Russo isn't in charge of TNA. Russo is PART of a booking team and is PART of a creative team. He does not run the WHOLE company. The fact is that people in TNA have never ran a TV product before. They've only been PART of other people's promotions. Get your facts straight.

The difference is, Booker and Sharmell didn't take up most of the show with ridiculous backstage segments

Yeah because they left them out to make room for those toilet humor DX/McMahon trash that plaqued WWE program at the top of 07 that I'm sure you and other 11 year old children around the world found humorous.

The "Vince's death" angle was shit, yes. But that doesn't hide the fact that TNA is constantly guilty of bad booking.

Sure TNA is constantly guilty of bad booking! Just like how WWE is constantly guilty of putting on garbage programming.

Hacksaw Jim Duggan wrestles on Heat. Black Reign wrestles on TNA PPVs, ahead of guys like Christopher Daniels who can actually wrestle.

Yeah and Black Reign is also putting over guys around Daniels age and younger while Hacksaw Jim Duggan is a washed up employee taking up space for no damn reason.

TNA has been around for nearly 6 years, and it's made such little progress. Everybody said they'd take off once they got a big name star, they didn't. Everybody said they'd take off once they got a TV show, they didn't. Everybody said they'd take off once they got 2 hours, they didn't.

TNA has made little progress??? WTF What are you stupid? They went from a weekly PPV to a Friday afternoon slot on FSN where they only got like a .04-.05 rating which is around like 400,000 viewers. And then they came on Spike TV in 05 and was getting .08-.9 ratings(about 800-900,000 viewers) up until they got there Primetime slot in 06', where they started to receive more 1.0 ratings. Now in the year 2008, TNA has rose to a 1.1-1.2 ratings, which equals about 1.3-1.5 million viewers. And this is coming from a company that barely travels outside of Florida and has little to no promotion but yet slowly but surely, they are getting there and remaining consistent in numbers and producing solid tv, which is all that matters. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither was the WWE nor WCW. So yeah, TNA isn't making progress. 400,000 viewers to 800,000, to a million to around 1.4 million homes isn't progress of only having 3-4 years of TV experience with no ads.

 

[Hituup]

They're not going to improve with Vince Russo holding the reigns.

What other cliche is going to come out of your mouth about TNA. Vince Russo, former WWE superstars, not pushing young talent, Samoa Joe should be world champ, TNA is another WWE. What else is going to come out of your mouth that isn't yours. I'm debating with a guy who can't even think for himself. Hituup vs. Strings attached/Illuminattle.:laugh:

Oh, I see. You think because it had a couple of nice spots that it was a good match? That explains a lot.

It was a good match because it entertained. That's what most fans want when they want wrestling matches. I'm not going to count the amount of times a guy sells a move or plays injured. Give me a good fucking match with action!

The Diva search was barely on TV this year, thankfully. At least looking at hot women is easy on the eyes, watching James Storm and Eric Young pretend to be drunk is just painful.

Yeah because they saved that room for the FBI investigating Vince's death.

You don't watch RAW much, do you? Vince and Regal are used in short segments to set up matches. Hornswoggle, over the year, has been overused. But at least he's over with the fans.

A midget who is barely on the active roster getting so much tv time over guys who have been around and can wrestle is a waste of a push. Hornswoggle being Vince's son is one of the most stupidest things and there's no way a grown man can defend this.

Seriously, when was the last time you watched RAW?

A week ago, I saw the shit and it's the same old shit. Dead crowd, dead announcers, tired set, overall dead atmosphere, and Vince McMahon.

So you're letting that pass? You're just going to ignore the fact that two non-wrestling women were higher on the card than women that can wrestle?

Yeah because they were in a mix tag match with their upper card valets. It's not like Sharmell and Ms.Brooks were in a one on one match ahead of Kim/Kong. The match was about getting to the next level between the Robert Roode/Booker T feud. The women were only extra.

And what does a card have to do with anything? The horrid Diva's match from the last WrestleMania was put on the card higher than MITB, Batista/Undertaker, MVP/Benoit, and Lashley/Umaga. Hell the women's match was right before Cena/Michaels so what does that say? What's your point?

I'm not talking about wrestling moves, I'm talking about overselling Robert Roode hitting Sharmell, as if that's a million times worse than everything else on the show.

If you watched TNA, you'd know that man on women violence is not allowed. That's what made it significant. And on top of that she was knocked out with her jaw being swolen and supposedly broken.

Besides, it's not that much different than Khali knocking out Jeff Hardy with an opened hand chop to the head but being knocked out with it. It's not much different than Randy Orton knocking out someone with a boot to the head and being out of commission for months but yet when HHH hits someone with a sledgehammer they come back the next week on Raw. How are you going to defend that?

Lance Storm knows a lot more about wrestling than you ever will. If you're happy to buy into the TNA hype, to buy into the "WWE is evil!!11 TNA is gud!!!" bullshit, then fine. Down the line, you'll probably realise that you're just watching a poor man's version WWE.

I don't buy into no bullshit! You're the one trying to be Mr. Opposite and trying to go nitpick on TNA for the same crap that WWE does that magically doesn't appear on your eyes but yet somehow you manage to find something minor with TNA and make an issue out of it to put it on the same equal ground with the E as much as possible. I see you as rather holding onto some false glory that the WWE is on a role when it's not. Both tag divisions are crap, MVP barely defends the U.S. title, women's division is weak without Trish and Lita, cruiserweight division is nonexistant, the IC division has been reduced to crap, and the wwe title scene has been bland since Cena and after. The only belts being made to look worthy are the ECW and World Title.

So Lance Storm criticizes TNA. So what?! He feels TNA could be doing better and plenty of people feel that way. But for what there doing at this stage in the game is incredible and people overlook that. There programming is not going to be superior out of the gate. They only got 2 hours not too long ago. They fall short in some areas due to lack of inexperience but they are no where near as bad as WWE and do not make the amount of mistakes the WWE makes.

I think the problem with you is, you don't know what's good and what's not. You see "Batista vs. Undertaker" and assume it was a shit match because they're two limited wrestlers. You probably wouldn't appreciate it, because neither guy was doing shooting star presses. If I showed you Flair vs. Savage from WrestleMania 8, and you didn't know what you were supposed to think about it, you'd probably hate it.

I have no problem with Batista vs. Undertaker matches. I have nothing against either. I respect both. I think Taker's one of the best veterans and big men. I liked their 3 way match from the last WWE ppv with Edge where Edge won the title. I like good wrestling. I like good back and forth wrestling action. I like a competitive match where people are trying to win a belt and not trying to sell psychology and do too much storytelling.

My only problem I have is when fans like you continue to try to defend Uncle WWE just because of what he did in the past even though he is now unstable as ever. And then his supporter continue to defend his actions and try to find any fault with Uncle WWE's nephew who has potential to be more and is currently bright. That's how I view a WWE mark as yourself trying to down TNA for most of the minor things you've pointed out throughout your argument that WWE does and then some. You're holding onto false hope.

 

[Bombsquad]

Seriously, how could people sit up here and try to diss TNA and say the WWE is better in anyway. TNA is not the greatest product by far but they are improving and as long as they continue to improve, they could be the defintion of a damn near perfect product. Anytime, I watch Impact, I see how far TNA has come in terms of growth. It was only about 2-3 years ago that Impact use to be a very jobber looking program with generic X-division guys running all over the place where the show was very bland, short 1 hour program, mic work was cheesy, very simple storylines to a limitation of angles and storylines, limitation of top guys. Turn to TNA now and everyone has a personality, characters are being developed all over the place, almost the whole roster is being used, everyone is involved in some type of feud or angle.

Not to mention, Just yesterday on Impact, we got to see AJ Styles as Prince AJ become an official member of the Angle Alliance and seeing how AJ went from a quiet babyface to a full blown classic personality is just mindblowing when I think about it. AJ styles is gold in his role.

Look at the guys getting pushed. Someone said Motor City Machine gunz was being misused. This person couldn't be anymore wrong. Motor City Machine Gunz is like the most over tag team in wrestling and is probably the best team in wrestling among a very strong tag division in TNA.

And TNA has taken women's wrestling to a whole new height with their women's division. They built up Awesome Kong and Gail Kim's feud very well and put a whole new significant on women's wrestling in the states which has been seen as filler by many fans. TNA is doing their thing right now. Their 2 hour slot has been amazing and I'm expecting bigger things from them this year.

So far, TNA is in a good position. They got a stable viewership that their maintaining and adding onto their viewership slowly, they've got the great talent, they put on solid PPVs, they put on good to solid Impact shows weekly, they've got strong feuds, they've got solid storylines. They're in the best position ever.

WWE on the otherhand is simply not interesting anymore. They need to like combine the rosters or something. Half the guys on the roster, no one even cares about. Backstage segments are corny, there attempts at being funny isn't funny, wrong guys getting pushed, stupid storylines. I don't see how anybody could defend that product, especially if you watched during the attitude era. It's ashame of what the product has become. Hornswoggle being Vince's son isn't interesting and Vince dying and coming back was probably the stupidest storyline of all time next to Katie Vick!

 

[hizzle?]

Maybe you need eyes because Raw always circles around Vince, Regal, and his Vince's corny ass "tough love" angle. And now there slowly leaking that bastard angle onto Smackdown and putting Finlay in the mix. Vince McMahon is fucking annoying. His gimmick is played out and he was tired after the Austin/McMahon thing ended. He needs to get back in the limo and die already.

As much as I like WWE, I have to say that he's right Illu... Watch Raw with this in your mind... Vince makes it seem that this is more important than the JBL vs Jericho rivalry...

And Hornswoggle is funny, IF YOU'RE 12 fucking years old!!! Hornswoggle is a waste. Get him off the fucking tv. The shit is a joke.

and you have to understand that 10-15 years is the new WWE target audience.

 

[tHuG $TyLe]

One thing that will never change. The Idiotic fans of Wrestling (notice wrestling not any conpany)

Typical Idiotic fan "I hate *insert show* it fucking sucks, nothing is good about it" *tunes in the next week to hate again*

If something is so bad in your eyes why fucking watch it?

 

[Bombsquad]

and you have to understand that 10-15 years is the new WWE target audience.

I could've swore WWE targeted their programming towards males 18-34.

 

[Illuminattile]

He's fucking injured and still on the roster list. He still has a job.

And you should be thankful of that, because if he didn't he'd probably be in TNA.

You just show your lack of fucking knowledge on TNA. MCMG has been constantly booked strong and has been constantly winning. They got a victory over Team 3D and is still currently feuding with them. The fuck are you talking about curtain jerking! They're the most over tag team in TNA.

Do you know what "curtain jerking" means?

Turning Point 2007 - Opening match, lost
Genesis 2007 - On second, won
Bound For Glory 2007 - Not on the show
No Surrender 2007 - Lost in a gauntlet match
Victory Road 2007 - Midcard, beat Jerry Lynn and Bob Backlund
Slammiversary 2007 - Sabin lost to Lethal, Shelley lost to Bob motherfucking Backlund
Hard Justice 2007 - Opening match, lost

Wow, that is a great push for the top tag team in TNA. Of the 6 PPVs since they teamed up, they curtain jerked twice (and lost both) and weren't even booked for one of the PPVs.

And the last team, Rick Steiner was in a tag match was two fucking months ago and he was only there to put over Styles and Tomko. Try seriously watching the product.

Go back and watch the PPVs from Sacrifice onwards. On the same show Alex Shelley jobbed to Bob Backlund, Rick Steiner was in a Tag Team Title match. When the Machine Guns jobbed in the opener of Hard Justice, Rick Steiner was beating Team 3D further up the card. At Bound For Glory, a show the Machine Guns weren't even booked on, the Steiners beat Team 3D again, and they got another Tag Team Title shot at Genesis.

Let's get this straight. You feel it's a bad idea to give a talented wrestler on a roster a push next to the owner of a company that you deemed as the best heel in wrestling but yet you feel it's okay for a midget who can't have a serious match be given that push instead? Yeah there's definitely something wrong with you. I see why you are a WWE mark!

When did I say Hornswoggle was a good choice for the role? I'll save you some time, I didn't say that. If you knew anything about the situation, you'd know that Hornswoggle was a last minute replacement because the guy they wanted to use got suspended. Go back and watch the show where Hornswoggle was revealed as Vince's son. You think Charlie Haas would have got that reaction? No, nobody would have given a shit about him. It would have done him no good whatsoever.

Well no shit Sherlock. Of course more people are obviously going to see that. Who performs on bigger platforms? What company has an established TV fanbase? What company is mainstream! That's like saying that Khali/Cena matches are more worthy than an ROH Bryan Danielson/McGuiness match just because of crowd attendance. You know how stupid you sound?

TNA have a two hour TV show, they brag about getting a million viewers, yet only 15,000 of those are compelled enough to buy the PPV? That's a pitiful buy rate, nothing you can say will justify that.

Amongst real wrestling fans. Obviously marks such as yourself are not included in that bunch! Kim/Kong feud>>>>>>>>>WWE world title division and that's fucking sad that women are producing better tv than the men in the E.

Don't even think about calling yourself a real wrestling fan. Take a look at the Torch, because they're willing to actually criticise TNA when it deserves it (and it deserves it a lot), instead of just turning a blind eye to them, and recycling the same shit about "oh, they're a young company, they'll get better". They'd had six years, they haven't got any better.

And the problem with WWE marks such as yourself is that you fail to realize that TNA is still evolving and while even evolving is still putting on arguably better program than a company with decades of experience.

Like I said, the same old shit. You'll still be saying this in six years, if TNA is still around.

Russo isn't in charge of TNA. Russo is PART of a booking team and is PART of a creative team. He does not run the WHOLE company. The fact is that people in TNA have never ran a TV product before. They've only been PART of other people's promotions. Get your facts straight.

I was talking about the booking, genius. Vince Russo, Mike Tenay, Dutch Mantell, Jeff Jarrett and Jim Cornette have all been in wrestling long enough to know how to a book a show properly, yet they can't.

Sure TNA is constantly guilty of bad booking! Just like how WWE is constantly guilty of putting on garbage programming.

I've never claimed that WWE doesn't put on bad shows. They do, but they put out enough good content to make up for it. TNA don't, and you don't seem willing to accept that.

Yeah and Black Reign is also putting over guys around Daniels age and younger while Hacksaw Jim Duggan is a washed up employee taking up space for no damn reason.

I don't think you know what putting someone "over" means. Someone beating Black Reign means nothing, because nobody gives a shit about Black Reign. At least Duggan gets an ironic/nostalgic pop from the crowd.

So yeah, TNA isn't making progress. 400,000 viewers to 800,000, to a million to around 1.4 million homes isn't progress of only having 3-4 years of TV experience with no ads.

Look at the PPV buy rates since those are the numbers that matter. Look at how many more buys TNA got when they switched to Spike. In fact, I'll save you the time:

"TNA currently airs for two-hours on Spike TV which is available in 87 million homes. Prior to Spike, TNA aired sporadically on FSN which has a hell of a lot less availability. When TNA was airing on FSN they were drawing an average of 6,000 buys per show. In the big picture, a peak increase of 30,000 buys coming from FSN to Spike is a result of bad booking and nothing else."
That's a PEAK increase of 30,000 buys. Victory Road drew 15,000 buys.

What other cliche is going to come out of your mouth about TNA. Vince Russo, former WWE superstars, not pushing young talent, Samoa Joe should be world champ, TNA is another WWE. What else is going to come out of your mouth that isn't yours. I'm debating with a guy who can't even think for himself. Hituup vs. Strings attached/Illuminattle.

They've been said before because they're all true. And I think you know they are, because you don't seem to be debating any of them. And I don't think you can talk about cliches, when you're argument seems to be "Vince is on TV too much".

I'm not going to count the amount of times a guy sells a move or plays injured.[/qupte]
Why does it not surprise me that a TNA fan is a spot junkie? What you just talked about it called psychology. Real wrestling fans consider it to be pretty important.

A midget who is barely on the active roster getting so much tv time over guys who have been around and can wrestle is a waste of a push. Hornswoggle being Vince's son is one of the most stupidest things and there's no way a grown man can defend this.

What push? You're acting as if Hornswoggle's getting title matches and squashing young, up-and-coming stars. He's been involved in a feud with Vince, which has helped to get Finlay over as a face.

If you watched TNA, you'd know that man on women violence is not allowed. That's what made it significant. And on top of that she was knocked out with her jaw being swolen and supposedly broken.

I know it is, and it's a joke. A woman hits a woman in the head with a steel chair, no problems. She's a face, we don't find anything wrong with that. A man lays his hands on a woman, and it's worse than the Holocaust.

I don't buy into no bullshit! You're the one trying to be Mr. Opposite and trying to go nitpick on TNA for the same crap that WWE does that magically doesn't appear on your eyes but yet somehow you manage to find something minor with TNA and make an issue out of it to put it on the same equal ground with the E as much as possible.

I'm happy to admit that WWE does some stupid stuff. I'm just trying to get you to open your eyes, take TNA off it's pedestal and realise that it's no better than WWE. In fact, in my opinion, it's considerably worse.

There programming is not going to be superior out of the gate. They only got 2 hours not too long ago. They fall short in some areas due to lack of inexperience but they are no where near as bad as WWE and do not make the amount of mistakes the WWE makes.

There are no excuses for the simple, rudimentary booking mistakes that TNA makes. You can't blame it on lack of experience, or lack of time, or anything else. Don't let your blind hatred of WWE fool you into thinking TNA is putting out a great product, because it's not. With the talent they have, they should be doing far better.