God is a noun
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what rahim says, funnily enough, is sort of near what i'm thinking. when i look at a christian who prays to god i see a person who has the belief that a higher power is behind everything. but religious people, contrary to people who just believe that "there's something out there but i don't know what it is", make the concept of this higher power a lot more earthly. the endless tales about the men of god who preached his word, etc. apparently, religious people do think that god somehow possesses a sort of conscience. or that god is in a state of consciousness.
i tend to think a little differently about it. to me, god is anything that gives a person a reason to live. when i smoke a joint, get high, forget the world around me and talk shit with woodie on msn while listening to dope music and sending him tracks, that's god to me. when i order a large pizza with soda and extra cheese around the crust, rent a movie and sit down at home and watch a movie and eat food and don't rly think anything, that's god to me. when i do a great sale at work, that's god to me. when i had sex last night, that was god too. the idea that a person or entity created everything is stupid to me. seriously. i don't say that to piss people off, but i will never take that belief seriously. i'll respect it, but i will never understand it or take it seriously. it's too fucking stupid.
if at any one point, nobody, not one single person on earth is looking at the moon, a stupid moron would rise the question "does the moon really exist?". i am intrigued by the notion, not because i think it's the case, but because it's sort of interesting. if it is there even when we don't look at it (which we know it is), what does that mean really? the moon is comprised of rocks and sand. they are comprised of molecules, and atoms are full of energy. the moon is thus its very own force in the vastness we call universe, just like me, just like you. the carbon atom in one of the cells in your body does not possess physical qualities that a carbon atom on the moon does. my belief is that god is the sum of everything. god is an illusion humans created to describe all the powers that are far too advanced for normal people to learn and understand. you have to do years of schooling to become a physicist, so instead of getting to know what really happens when light shines people can choose to think it's coming out of god's ass, and that's what religious people do.
on the other hand, nobody can help how they were brought up and if this belief is embedded in a person, i would never, ever disrespect that. if you find a path in life that doesn't change your behaviour to deviate from the norm and that gives you inner peace, then i'll support it no matter how stupid it is.
i tend to think a little differently about it. to me, god is anything that gives a person a reason to live. when i smoke a joint, get high, forget the world around me and talk shit with woodie on msn while listening to dope music and sending him tracks, that's god to me. when i order a large pizza with soda and extra cheese around the crust, rent a movie and sit down at home and watch a movie and eat food and don't rly think anything, that's god to me. when i do a great sale at work, that's god to me. when i had sex last night, that was god too. the idea that a person or entity created everything is stupid to me. seriously. i don't say that to piss people off, but i will never take that belief seriously. i'll respect it, but i will never understand it or take it seriously. it's too fucking stupid.
if at any one point, nobody, not one single person on earth is looking at the moon, a stupid moron would rise the question "does the moon really exist?". i am intrigued by the notion, not because i think it's the case, but because it's sort of interesting. if it is there even when we don't look at it (which we know it is), what does that mean really? the moon is comprised of rocks and sand. they are comprised of molecules, and atoms are full of energy. the moon is thus its very own force in the vastness we call universe, just like me, just like you. the carbon atom in one of the cells in your body does not possess physical qualities that a carbon atom on the moon does. my belief is that god is the sum of everything. god is an illusion humans created to describe all the powers that are far too advanced for normal people to learn and understand. you have to do years of schooling to become a physicist, so instead of getting to know what really happens when light shines people can choose to think it's coming out of god's ass, and that's what religious people do.
on the other hand, nobody can help how they were brought up and if this belief is embedded in a person, i would never, ever disrespect that. if you find a path in life that doesn't change your behaviour to deviate from the norm and that gives you inner peace, then i'll support it no matter how stupid it is.
@ Preach I think that's because you're the type of person who doesn't believe in anything more than clear facts thus when something totally rare happens like the biggest coincidence when most people would say it's fate or some higher being's action you would say that there was 0.000001% chance that it will happen and that it just had to happen some day and it have in fact just happened.
You wouldn't call something a miracle, you would call it rare but nothing more.
You base your knowledge and experiences on harsh facts based on Science, Maths etc.
I'm not saying that it's bad and all but people who live like that won't understand religious people.
I'd also say that too religious people aren't usually too intelligent so their faith is caused by lack of intelligence.
If you take a caveman and show him a bike he'd say it's a miracle too.
I'm in the middle. I believe in harsh facts but I also believe in some higher being, karma and justice in the world because that's what my experience tells me.
You wouldn't call something a miracle, you would call it rare but nothing more.
You base your knowledge and experiences on harsh facts based on Science, Maths etc.
I'm not saying that it's bad and all but people who live like that won't understand religious people.
I'd also say that too religious people aren't usually too intelligent so their faith is caused by lack of intelligence.
If you take a caveman and show him a bike he'd say it's a miracle too.
I'm in the middle. I believe in harsh facts but I also believe in some higher being, karma and justice in the world because that's what my experience tells me.
^^
knowing your fascination for martial arts i would expect that.
see, it's not like i'm all about cold hard facts and science. i too am intrigued by mystery. there is a reason why lost is my favorite tv show - no fuck it, my favorite experience in life. god damnit. haha.
i do not believe everything to be a matter of numbers and chances and coincidents necessarily. but imagine this thought: nobody here knows what i will do at exactly 3:26pm on the 16th of july, 2019. but whatever i do do, i'm gonna be doing it no matter what i do up until that time. something is gonna happen and it is gonna be the sum of everything i do up until that point, and regardless of what i do do at that specific point in time, it will happen.
that's a very illusionary thought, but think about it for a minute. then think about it backwards. where i'm standing right now - i can see the number of things that lead up to it. i can fall in love with a girl and it can feel magic. i can think about it and see why it happened in hindsight but that doesn't change the fact that it felt magic and it's not like i walk around thinking about life like algorithms.
so with that in mind, what i'm trying to say is i guess buddhists are the ones closest to being onto something real as far as being religious goes. the nirvana stuff is interesting. i will never choose to believe in anything that proposes some sort of personification of god, because i know that an entity did not create the universe. the universe is energy flowing around in a very large and expanding space. it did not come from someone, it's not something i think we as humans are even supposed to understand. it's like an atom understanding how it came to be and what it's greater purpose is. the atom just flows around doing whatever comes natural, be it joining up with another atom to create a molecule, or letting go in a chemical process. we humans act very much the same. just on a more complex level. i believe the universe in itself is one entity, and it created itself. so the universe is god. yeah, that's actually what i believe now that i get to resonate on it. the universe is my god, the universe is my creator, and in the universe i put my trust.
knowing your fascination for martial arts i would expect that.
see, it's not like i'm all about cold hard facts and science. i too am intrigued by mystery. there is a reason why lost is my favorite tv show - no fuck it, my favorite experience in life. god damnit. haha.
i do not believe everything to be a matter of numbers and chances and coincidents necessarily. but imagine this thought: nobody here knows what i will do at exactly 3:26pm on the 16th of july, 2019. but whatever i do do, i'm gonna be doing it no matter what i do up until that time. something is gonna happen and it is gonna be the sum of everything i do up until that point, and regardless of what i do do at that specific point in time, it will happen.
that's a very illusionary thought, but think about it for a minute. then think about it backwards. where i'm standing right now - i can see the number of things that lead up to it. i can fall in love with a girl and it can feel magic. i can think about it and see why it happened in hindsight but that doesn't change the fact that it felt magic and it's not like i walk around thinking about life like algorithms.
so with that in mind, what i'm trying to say is i guess buddhists are the ones closest to being onto something real as far as being religious goes. the nirvana stuff is interesting. i will never choose to believe in anything that proposes some sort of personification of god, because i know that an entity did not create the universe. the universe is energy flowing around in a very large and expanding space. it did not come from someone, it's not something i think we as humans are even supposed to understand. it's like an atom understanding how it came to be and what it's greater purpose is. the atom just flows around doing whatever comes natural, be it joining up with another atom to create a molecule, or letting go in a chemical process. we humans act very much the same. just on a more complex level. i believe the universe in itself is one entity, and it created itself. so the universe is god. yeah, that's actually what i believe now that i get to resonate on it. the universe is my god, the universe is my creator, and in the universe i put my trust.
I hate it when I write a long ass essay - and that's what I've just been doing for past 40 minutes and it got deleted 
It's so irritating.
So in short what I wanted to say was:
my martial arts fascination doesn't have much to do with it.
Of course it adds few factors here and there but I think not much, it just helps me to be a better person.
I believe in some higher being or person who sees my every move, what I do good and what I do bad and whenever I do something bad, bad things tend to happen to me while when I'm good I usually get better things in life - much better. You can also call it Karma I guess but I believe that it's coordinated by some higher being.
I also believe in justice - I really do. That's because most jerks I ever knew ended like they deserved while really good people got good things in the end.
A stupid but real example is at school - people who are plain bad, with bad characters who don't study much usually don't go to college and have a wack job. People who are getting beat up at schools and forgiving it without fighting back, all those helpful, kind type of nerds usually make it best and in the end they're working on high positions in big companies,
have nice wifes and quite lucky life. Of course it also depends on their later actions but they get a base to start off. You can be good but when you get most things in life you can change and become bad, most examples tell that your life crashes then.
About your response about your faith - I'm sure whatever you or I do now affects what will you do in the future - it's a fact.
You can do nothing just find a monotony and work, party, sleep etc, you can move to a totally random country where your life will be totally different or you can just do something random what you might enjoy and it'll be your new sense in life. Also whether you will be good or bad will totally influence it. Better people usually have the gift of enjoying life more as it is. Some time ago I wasn't that good - I was below the middle. At some part like 3 years ago I got few chances, I even used them but still I couldn't enjoy my life getting totally better. Even about year ago I made a thread about how I can't enjoy my life, how I search for happiness and a place for me. I got few responses including Jokerman's mini essay to strive to be a better person, to wake up everyday with a smile and just think about your gift. Before that I had that thought that it might help but I was too weak to try.
By some coincidences without much effort actually I did it.
Now I think I'm a better person - I dismiss any opportunity to do something bad while I take most chances to help others, to do something good to myself, my closest ones and just random people I find kind and good-hearted.
It's just a little something that makes you feel a little better but in the end it teaches you to enjoy your life and see what a true joy is. You can't feel happiness untill you strive to be better and do better things. You can party whole life, fuck nicest women but you won't be as happy as a higher valued person who does good in life.
That's why I believe in something higher.
I haven't found a place for me in life yet but I know where to search and I can enjoy each stop on my road to be a better human being.
funny thing is that last year I thought that there were 3 things I knew I did bad but I had no intention to quit them - that is smoking, smoking and drinking
I was smoking cigarettes for 7-8 years. Since 4 years I smoked at least pack a day. I visited many parties and drinked a lot. I also smoked more serious stuff regularry.
Now about 8 months ago I just gave it all up without any serious effort.
There was just that something that changed my life.
I've got many friends who can't give up smoking after 3-4 years of doing it,
I did it since I was actually a kid and I gave it up without any effort so that's not a case of having a strong will.
Also I'm not sure how the universe started, I watched a lot on that matter on Discovery channel and nobody can truely answer and I guess that the answer is something totally unexpected but anyway I couldn't put my faith in it.
I can't put my faith in something that won't affect my life anyway, as you said whatever you will do, the universe will be the same and it won't affect you in a certain way.
It just let's you live.
It's so irritating.
So in short what I wanted to say was:
my martial arts fascination doesn't have much to do with it.
Of course it adds few factors here and there but I think not much, it just helps me to be a better person.
I believe in some higher being or person who sees my every move, what I do good and what I do bad and whenever I do something bad, bad things tend to happen to me while when I'm good I usually get better things in life - much better. You can also call it Karma I guess but I believe that it's coordinated by some higher being.
I also believe in justice - I really do. That's because most jerks I ever knew ended like they deserved while really good people got good things in the end.
A stupid but real example is at school - people who are plain bad, with bad characters who don't study much usually don't go to college and have a wack job. People who are getting beat up at schools and forgiving it without fighting back, all those helpful, kind type of nerds usually make it best and in the end they're working on high positions in big companies,
have nice wifes and quite lucky life. Of course it also depends on their later actions but they get a base to start off. You can be good but when you get most things in life you can change and become bad, most examples tell that your life crashes then.
About your response about your faith - I'm sure whatever you or I do now affects what will you do in the future - it's a fact.
You can do nothing just find a monotony and work, party, sleep etc, you can move to a totally random country where your life will be totally different or you can just do something random what you might enjoy and it'll be your new sense in life. Also whether you will be good or bad will totally influence it. Better people usually have the gift of enjoying life more as it is. Some time ago I wasn't that good - I was below the middle. At some part like 3 years ago I got few chances, I even used them but still I couldn't enjoy my life getting totally better. Even about year ago I made a thread about how I can't enjoy my life, how I search for happiness and a place for me. I got few responses including Jokerman's mini essay to strive to be a better person, to wake up everyday with a smile and just think about your gift. Before that I had that thought that it might help but I was too weak to try.
By some coincidences without much effort actually I did it.
Now I think I'm a better person - I dismiss any opportunity to do something bad while I take most chances to help others, to do something good to myself, my closest ones and just random people I find kind and good-hearted.
It's just a little something that makes you feel a little better but in the end it teaches you to enjoy your life and see what a true joy is. You can't feel happiness untill you strive to be better and do better things. You can party whole life, fuck nicest women but you won't be as happy as a higher valued person who does good in life.
That's why I believe in something higher.
I haven't found a place for me in life yet but I know where to search and I can enjoy each stop on my road to be a better human being.
funny thing is that last year I thought that there were 3 things I knew I did bad but I had no intention to quit them - that is smoking, smoking and drinking
I was smoking cigarettes for 7-8 years. Since 4 years I smoked at least pack a day. I visited many parties and drinked a lot. I also smoked more serious stuff regularry.
Now about 8 months ago I just gave it all up without any serious effort.
There was just that something that changed my life.
I've got many friends who can't give up smoking after 3-4 years of doing it,
I did it since I was actually a kid and I gave it up without any effort so that's not a case of having a strong will.
Also I'm not sure how the universe started, I watched a lot on that matter on Discovery channel and nobody can truely answer and I guess that the answer is something totally unexpected but anyway I couldn't put my faith in it.
I can't put my faith in something that won't affect my life anyway, as you said whatever you will do, the universe will be the same and it won't affect you in a certain way.
It just let's you live.
Actually I am leaning more on the cognition between grammar and perceptual concepts. Or more simply, semantics.
As Preach has stated God to him means getting good head. That's his cognition of the word, and probably his religion too. And tbh I do utter God's name on the occasion of getting a good blow. But it's not like I'm uttering it in reverence to a diety, it's just an exclamation. I could have easily been uttered "Beans on toast!" after I came. I wouldn't have made any difference to the meaning.
Another way to look at this would be to quote from the movie Matrix Revolutions. In particular the conversation between Rama-Kandra and Neo in the train station.
Neo: I just have never...
Rama-Kandra: ...heard a program speak of love?
Neo: It's a... human emotion.
Rama-Kandra: No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies.
Also:
Rama-Kandra: "Karma is a word. Like love."
That's just blasphemous.
As Preach has stated God to him means getting good head. That's his cognition of the word, and probably his religion too. And tbh I do utter God's name on the occasion of getting a good blow. But it's not like I'm uttering it in reverence to a diety, it's just an exclamation. I could have easily been uttered "Beans on toast!" after I came. I wouldn't have made any difference to the meaning.
Another way to look at this would be to quote from the movie Matrix Revolutions. In particular the conversation between Rama-Kandra and Neo in the train station.
Neo: I just have never...
Rama-Kandra: ...heard a program speak of love?
Neo: It's a... human emotion.
Rama-Kandra: No, it is a word. What matters is the connection the word implies.
Also:
Rama-Kandra: "Karma is a word. Like love."
That's just blasphemous.
i'm actually starting to like you now. thought you were a god-lover. but yeah, that's what i mean. god is whatever makes me thing living is fun enough so as to not prefer to not live. whether it's the idea of some higher being who created everything or of it's science or if it's my own self and the things that matter to me on an instinctive level, they are all experiences that can be compared to what a religious person feels when he is in contact with god.
like you said, god is a word, when religious people say it, like, traditionally religious people, i get pissed because half of them just say it because they think it's trend although it went off about 10 years ago, the other half because they are morons who envision some sort of ethereal being who casts lightening bolts and shit. to me god is the force if life.
like you said, god is a word, when religious people say it, like, traditionally religious people, i get pissed because half of them just say it because they think it's trend although it went off about 10 years ago, the other half because they are morons who envision some sort of ethereal being who casts lightening bolts and shit. to me god is the force if life.
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