Kobe Bryant the ball hogger

[Bachaveli]

Yes, here we go again. I was just watching Lakers opening game versus Rockets and I can't stop noticing how selfish Kobe is playing. I mean its ridiculous. There was like few occasions during the game when there was two on one fast break for Lakers and Kobe leading the break and he had a teamate ahead of him and didn't pass the ball, instead he drove ball into the basketball by himself and drove a foul.

I know Kobe is excellent player and all but he is selfish. And I know you would come defending him saying something like he doesn't have anybody to pass the ball to and nobody can shot and what not. But, like I've said before, great players make things work out of nothing. Great players will get most out of their team. Just look at Lebron, he didn't have that big of players in his team either last year but he still found the way to win and got his team in the finals. Why can't Kobe do it?

Well, I think because other than the obvious reason, I think hes a egoist and arrogant. He wants to do it all by himself. He was the one that basically got rid of Shaq because he wanted to be the ''man'' in LA and he thought he could do it all without Shaq. But he realizes now that he can't do it all by himself and it frustrates him. He takes that frustration to management and demands to be traded.

Call me a hater all you want, but the bottom line is Kobe is a ball hogger. He is a egoist and arrogant who thinks he can do it all by himself.

 

[ARon]

LeBron went to the Finals cus he was in the East, that is pretty known.... among other things...

Fisher hits what would be pretty much the game winning shot with the assist from Kobe, if the brain head didnt get lucky. ball hog, hardly. Did you watch the game, a lot of his shots are near the end of the shot clock, that should end your argument right there.

Besides what a hater sees, yes you're a hater, a great basketball game was played and you talk about Kobe.... The Lakers look better than last year, without Odom on the floor so that is good once he gets back. Houston is Houston, nothin to say except show and prove for once. But since you are talkin Kobe, it's the first game of the year, he is still pissed, and the turn of events in this game pissed him off, dont expect anything to change, Kobe is gonna have another amazing year, along with the Lakers.

 

[Bachaveli]

Cause Lebron was in east? So....if you gonna bring up the east being weaker than west excuse and that is why Lebron went to the finals, thats completely bullshit. Its true east is weaker but still that doesn't necessarily mean thats because why Lebron went to the finals because he still had to face those pistons and bulls or whoever he faced so it wasn't all easy. Thats a cry for help excuse imo.

Yes I did watch the game. The shots that were taking was when he was surrounded with three guys or so. Instead of passing, he forced the shots. And also, 13 made out of 32 shots or something,Thats saying it all there.

If you really believe Lakers gonna make the playoffs than you really are dreaming.

He can't win it all by himself all the time. Yes he can do it here and there, time to time, but he can't literally take over the game every single game. So, he gonna have to become more passer than a shooter. And I never denied his greatness, yes he is a great player. So you don't have a reason to even call me a hater.

 

[S O F I]

So, he gonna have to become more passer than a shooter.

Say that out loud and see how foolish it sounds. He is a shooting guard, not a point guard. He's Kobe, not Stockton. He's Kobe, not Nash.

If you're the best scorer on the planet, you don't become more of a passer than a shooter for your team to win. It's too much of a sacrifice that will yield poor results. His teammates aren't skilled enough for your theory to work. On top of that, plus everything Aaron said.

 

[Bachaveli]

I didn't mean literally become point guard, but I mean he should pass the ball more. Shooting guards can do that. Why has my ''theory'' worked with Lebron than? He doesn't have that skilled of players either.

 

[hizzle?]

How long have you been in the US?

 

[S O F I]

I didn't mean literally become point guard, but I mean he should pass the ball more. Shooting guards can do that. Why has my ''theory'' worked with Lebron than? He doesn't have that skilled of players either.

Aside from the obvious notion that the Cavaliers had it easy throughout the playoffs until they faced the Pistons (this shouldn't even be debated, if all the wizards were healthy, cavs would have gone nowhere), it was actually Lebron's out-of-this-world individual play that won the Detroit series. Plus, the Lakers don't have a Mr. Varejao aka I will get any rebound on the face of this Earth. Also, the cavs have better team defense.

LeBron is a point guard first, hence why you think your theory works. HOWEVER, when you compare him with Kobe, you see him as a shooting guard. KOBE was never a point guard. You don't become a point guard over night, it's something in your nature as you grow up playing basketball.

 

[Bachaveli]

Again, thats a poor excuse.

Mr. Varejao i will get any rebound on the face of this earth? He only averaged 6.7 rebounds a game last year and 5.9 or so in the playoffs. And He had his moments in the playoffs where he grabbed one or two extra bounds. Thats not getting any rebound on the face of the earth like. No, sorry. Thats over exaggeration.

Lebron, a point guard? You kidding me? He is a shooting guard the least. Him bringing up the ball during the playoffs doesn't make him a point guard if thats what you meant.

hizzle, unless you wanna voice your opinion or have something productive to say, don't come with that funny shit.

 

[ARon]

Besides playing an injured Wizards team don't forget to add traveling on two different game winning shots, by LeBron.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBVvfYd9Wbo[/YOUTUBE]

There is the Vid to prove one of them, 3 steps for sure.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhbM6uuCt74[/YOUTUBE]

Oh my, he jump steps, lifts his pivot foot, which is traveling, then takes a step with it, then takes another step with the otehr foot. He traveled twice on one play. Not to mention it looks like he shot after he touched the ground just barely, but that's just me bein an ass. Anyway, he traveled, twice, on this one.

I'm just bringing these up to the LeBron arguement.

As far as Kobe goes.. If you scroll down to the related threads, like I did last time in here, you see the one about Why Kobe should be MVP, SiCc held it down in there pretty much. He proved Kobe isn't the player haters make him out to be once, why do it again. Get over his greatness.

 

[Bachaveli]

Now whos the hater one.

 

[hizzle?]

hizzle, unless you wanna voice your opinion or have something productive to say, don't come with that funny shit.

Everybody here knows that I'm a Kobe fan. It annoys me when he doesn't pass the ball sometimes, but I'd rather see Kobe take the buzzer shot than Chris Mihm...

As for that comment. It's not funny that you live in America and you can't write more than two sentences without an error in every domain of the English language.

 

[S O F I]

Now whos the hater one.

Proving that a basketball player traveled on a game-deciding shot is not hating. Are you serious?


and of course the thing about varejao was an exaggeration. He's a hustle type of player that does the little things that don't show up on the stats.

 

[Bachaveli]

Everybody here knows that I'm a Kobe fan. It annoys me when he doesn't pass the ball sometimes, but I'd rather see Kobe take the buzzer shot than Chris Mihm...

As for that comment. It's not funny that you live in America and you can't write more than two sentences without an error in every domain of the English language.

Did you ever stop to think and consider that maybe English isn't my primary language? I'm sure you have because you know very well where I'm from. Yet, you still want to point out the error and come out looking smart ass.

Yea I still often have trouble writing things in proper grammar and stuff. So what? There are people way worst than me who can't write and I'm talking about people who have born here (Americans) Why are you worrying about my sentences anyway? Its only a Internet. It makes me believe that you have so much hatred towards me and wanna bite me in every way you can. But you ain't fucking with me with your supposedly funny shots.

And then somebody will come in again and say Bachaveli is always fucking up threads when its really your punk ass thats fucking up my thread.

Proving that a basketball player traveled on a game-deciding shot is not hating. Are you serious?

Well, I'm sure there has been many occasions where players have traveled in crucial times of the game but so what? Just let go. Don't be bringing up that like its going to make any differences. Regardless of what happened there, Lebron is still a great player and maybe he got a away that time but that doesn't take away the fact that Lebron is capable of doing such tricks like that. I'm sure Kobe too has gotten away with similar shit one way or another.

But what was he proving there with that video? That besides that traveling he didn't do anything else for the team to help go to the finals? He is basing his judgment based on that traveling. That ain't fair.

and of course the thing about varejao was an exaggeration. He's a hustle type of player that does the little things that don't show up on the stats.

Ok so then your point about Lakers not having the Varejao type a player is dismissed.

 

[S O F I]

Did you ever stop to think and consider that maybe English isn't my primary language? I'm sure you have because you know very well where I'm from. Yet, you still want to point out the error and come out looking smart ass.

Yea I still often have trouble writing things in proper grammar and stuff. So what? There are people way worst than me who can't write and I'm talking about people who have born here (Americans) Why are you worrying about my sentences anyway? Its only a Internet. It makes me believe that you have so much hatred towards me and wanna bite me in every way you can. But you ain't fucking with me with your supposedly funny shots.

And then somebody will come in again and say Bachaveli is always fucking up threads when its really your punk ass thats fucking up my thread.


Well, I'm sure there has been many occasions where players have traveled in crucial times of the game but so what? Just let go. Don't be bringing up that like its going to make any differences. Regardless of what happened there, Lebron is still a great player and maybe he got a away that time but that doesn't take away the fact that Lebron is capable of doing such tricks like that. I'm sure Kobe too has gotten away with similar shit one way or another.

But what was he proving there with that video? That besides that traveling he didn't do anything else for the team to help go to the finals? He is basing his judgment based on that traveling. That ain't fair.


Ok so then your point about Lakers not having the Varejao type a player is dismissed.

LOL, no it's not because the Lakers team has weak defense and not a player of Varejao's caliber.

 

[ARon]

Bachaveli I have the utmost respect for you, to learn another language and speak it clearly like you do is something to be proud of. Anyone who makes fun of that needs to get their shit straight.

I only brought up those two plays as other things that he had "help" with, or why it was easy to get to the Finals in the East. i don't judge him based on those two plays alone. He is a good player, overrated I believe but still good.

 

[hizzle?]

Did you ever stop to think and consider that maybe English isn't my primary language? I'm sure you have because you know very well where I'm from. Yet, you still want to point out the error and come out looking smart ass.

It's my third language and I write it better than you do... and I live in a French environment.

 

[hizzle?]

Bachaveli I have the utmost respect for you, to learn another language and speak it clearly like you do is something to be proud of. Anyone who makes fun of that needs to get their shit straight.

I only brought up those two plays as other things that he had "help" with, or why it was easy to get to the Finals in the East. i don't judge him based on those two plays alone. He is a good player, overrated I believe but still good.

firstly, I'm not laughing at him. Well, at least, not about that. I'm just saying...


And he's not overrated, he's awesome. He's powerful, agile, quick, stable, strenghtful, calm, mature and young. He will be the best player ever.

 

[Bachaveli]

LOL, no it's not because the Lakers team has weak defense and not a player of Varejao's caliber.

I don't know what Varejao's caliber player is suppose to be like. He is just an ordinary player who happends to hustle I guess? Thats it. Thats not enough to say oh Lakers don't have this and that. I think you just got caught trying to sneak Varejao in with he is this and that and now you don't wanna give up lol

It's my third language and I write it better than you do... and I live in a French environment.

Congratulations son.

English is my third language too and I live in a environment where slang language is peoples primary language. How does your situation differ from mine? And why does it have to be about who has it more difficulty?

Well, at least, not about that.

hizzle getting cute.... as he always does with supposedly funny jokes.

 

[Flipmo]

Keep it clean guys. Despite being a retard on the board, I like to know the sports section stays clean without beef... unless it's football (soccer) related, cause BasketBall beef is just fruity.. lol

 

[SicC]

SOFI and Bach your both wrong about Lebron James he is listed as forward. http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lebron_james/?nav=page

I agree with back that Kobe took way to many shots in that game there where two occasions that come to mind in the final minute during the rally where kobe had a trailing luke walton on one occasion for a very easy lay in instead he went up for a difficult layup that resulted in a trip to the line where he was anything but his normal self, shooting 66% instead of his normal 80% +.

Then there was another occasion where he could of once again dished the ball off on a steal and once again went to the rack and got to the line, it resulted in four points but the way he was shooting that night from the line it could have easily been only one point. My point is he didnt rely on any of the others on the court which is going to kill the Lakers in the long run, sometimes you have to feed that guy who is hustling down the court if anything to boost his confidence and maybe get him into the game more.

Look im a dir hard Lakers fan but i was not imprsssed at all by the Lakers in that game they played terriably the second half where stagnet standing around watching kobe dribble around throwing up all kinds of shots.

Kobe had a great feed to Kwame in the first half where Kwame put it down like a champ, its those kind of little things that he does need to do in the second half to get the others more involved down the stretch.

Yes i want kobe to take the last second shot, who wouldnt but sometimes he needs to realize that he cant do it all, I wish he could but he can not.

I dont ever expect him to pass like Nash, But if he is tripled team I do expect him to play smart ball and pass it to an open player. Sofi is right u can not ask a guy thats been shooting his whole life to pass though and there in lies the problem.

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