Did Donaghy fix Game 3 of Suns-Spurs?

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#1
There aren't many dark days in the Valley of the Sun in mid-summer, but Friday must have been pretty gloomy.

Just when Phoenix Suns fans were moving through the acceptance phase of their grief over last year's unjust playoff exit comes another knee to the groin.
As if the playoff suspensions of Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw (in exchange for instigator Robery Horry) hadn't been a big enough miscarriage of justice, now comes news that NBA referee Tim Donaghy is under FBI investigation for betting on basketball. There are even allegations of mob ties.

While those charges have yet to be proven, there is very little debate among the basketball cognoscenti as to what was the most dubiously officiated game in this spring's playoffs. It was Game 3 of the Suns-Spurs Western Conference semifinals on May 12.

It was a bewildering carnival of bad calls, bad non-calls and egregiously late calls.

Who did that game? Eddie F. Rush, Greg Willard and Tim Donaghy.

The Suns' gut-wrenching six-game loss to the Spurs had already plunged their fans into the grief cycle, only then it was due largely to David Stern's failure to insert a measure of mitigating sanity to his zero-tolerance bench-leaving policy.

The pain played out like this:

Denial — This can't be happening. Robert Horry didn't just hip-check Steve Nash into the scorer's table with the result being the suspensions of our only low-post scorer and best low-post passer. This cannot be happening.

Anger — We hate you, David Stern! We'd like to see Charles Barkley throw you through a plate glass window at Dan Majerle's bar!

Bargaining — Please, please, let us squeak out Game 5. Let the series go seven games. We'll forget all about the unjust suspensions.

Depression — We lost. We're doomed. It's over. Our window of opportunity is closing. Nash is 33. That was our shot.

Acceptance — We're down, but not out. We just signed Grant Hill. Stoudemire will be another year away from microfracture surgery. Leandro Barbosa is getting better by the minute.
And then whammo! It looks like the NBA has a dirty ref and he called a pivotal playoff game that the Suns lost. So, for beleaguered Suns fans, the stages of grieving begin anew.


Denial — There is simply no way an official in a major American sport would do this. This isn't Italian soccer, dammit.
Anger — Was Game 3 the game when Bruce Bowen essentially assaulted Nash from start to finish? Was Bowen really whistled for only two fouls? Did Nash really shoot only three free throws? Was that the game where the Suns were in the midst of a run-out when they were interrupted by a foul call so late it just had to be an inadvertent whistle?

Bargaining — Okay. Please, Federal Bureau of Investigation, just tell us Donaghy hadn't bet on that game. Please just tell us that a pile of mob money didn't come down on the Spurs in Game 3.

Depression — Ah, what's the difference? It's not like Stern is going to give us a do-over.

Acceptance — Probably never.
First, Game 3 will have to be put under a microscope. Hard to believe it will look any better under a jeweler's loupe than it did on TV.

Off the top of my head, the worst non-call — after Bowen forced a turnover by chopping down on Nash's off hand as the point guard was crossing over — came right in front of Rush, not Donaghy.

One other critical officiating error was a whistle on a clean block by Stoudemire, who played only 21 minutes due to foul trouble.

And then there was the whistle delivered from Shangri-La. The Suns had forced a miss, secured the ball and were pushing it up court when a foul was called, retroactive to the shot attempt. If it turns out that Donaghy made this particular call — after having a couple of seconds to think about it — it will look very bad.

The Spurs were favored by four in Game 3 and won by seven, 108-101. They shot nine more free throws than the Suns, a perfectly reasonable gap between an interior-scoring team and a jump-shooting team. While the risk of fixing a playoff game is increased by the closer scrutiny of the game, it is easier to place large bets without setting off red flags because there's much more money being wagered on a playoff game than a regular season game.

If Donaghy is convicted of fixing any games over the last two seasons — during which the FBI was monitoring his games — how will Stern, who must have precious little credibility in Phoenix, ever convince Suns fans that they weren't the victims of a fix? I mean, besides the one he himself sanctioned after Game 4. (And if it turns out Donaghy did conspire to fix Game 3, how happy will Suns fans be with the FBI for allowing their team to be an unwitting victim in a two-year-old sting operation?)

For years Stern has been dismissing the cries of conspiracy theorists and fining anyone who dared open his mouth about the officiating. He even went so far as to threaten to throw Jeff Van Gundy out of the league.

If during a criminal court proceeding it comes to light that Donaghy was influencing the outcome of games, is Stern prepared to return any fine money levied against a player, coach or owner who criticized what turned out to be crooked officiating?

Former Orlando Magic coach Brian Hill was fined $25,000 after complaining bitterly about the officiating in a game Donaghy did on March 6, 2006.

Stern could conceivably return that fine money if it turns out Donaghy was in the bag. But what if evidence emerges that Donaghy had money on the Spurs in Game 3?

If that's the case, Stern's refusal to adjudicate the Horry-Stoudemire-Diaw non-fight fairly will have compounded a criminal act. How could he ever make things right in Phoenix?

He might start by awarding Phoenix, one of the finalists, the 2009 All-Star Game. But would he dare show up?

Suns fans may still be grieving.
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#4
Mainly by Tim Duncan
Forget the great possibility that Game 3 might have been fixed, and the Suns were still screwed.

Stoudemire, an All-NBA First Teamer, and Diaw, his only competitive back-up, are suspended for Game 5 in Phoenix, which they barely lose. If they had won that game and assume they lose Game 6 in San Antonio, then Game 7 is in Phoenix. That's two home games that Phoenix got screwed out of, and then the Game 3 debacle.

What happened to the Phoenix Suns is unfixable.
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#6
The Spurs were a better team.

Edit: The Spurs are a better team.


If the game was indeed fixed then no they are not the better team, they where given a free win. It would have given the Suns a 2-1 series lead at that point in time. If this game was fixed you can put a big fat asterix next to this spurs team name in the record book.


pz
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#7
You tube video of some of the calls from game three that perhaps should not of been called.

pz

[YOUTUBE]http://youtube.com/watch?v=fvkKdXLwt0U[/YOUTUBE]
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#9
No its pointing out some of donaghy's calls and a few other controversial calls. I didnt make the video either so tell someone who cares im simply using it to show some of the controversial calls of the game.

pz
 

ARon

Well-Known Member
#10
I know you are showing it and I'm saying it is dumb. There are controversial calls in every game not just this one, someone could probably do the same exact thing for every game played throughout the year. None of that was even that big of a deal. The first Manu call was way sketchy but other than that what is any different. Why they showed Nash getting knee'd is beyond me, did they want a tech or something? Bowen did what he is allowed do, they called the foul so let it go. It didn't even seem that Donaghy was the guy makin most the calls, so is it a league scandal? I'm all for fairness but this getting so much attention cus Pho could of won another game is pathetic. If someone is gonna sit here and try to tell me that Phoenix lost this series cus of some questionable calls I'm gonna laugh at them. Now if someone wants to say they lost cus Stoudamire left his bench area then I might agree. I almost want to blame Nash for them losing cus if he didn't flop so bad after he went to the floor when Horry hit him I dont think it would of been that big of a deal. Stoudamire doesn't leave his bench he plays in the next game and they may or may not win, I blame Nash.
 

ARon

Well-Known Member
#12
It changes just that game not the outcome of the series. Anything could of happened. They still could of lost that game even...
 

S O F I

Administrator
Staff member
#13
It doesn't change the outcome of the series, it changes the circumstances leading to the un-played games. I simply don't care for this, because Nash stepped on the 3pt line and the refs called it a three and the three won the game against the Kings and the Mavs knocked the Kings out of the playoffs cause of that. I broke my TV controller.
 

AmerikazMost

Well-Known Member
#14
I know you are showing it and I'm saying it is dumb. There are controversial calls in every game not just this one, someone could probably do the same exact thing for every game played throughout the year. None of that was even that big of a deal. The first Manu call was way sketchy but other than that what is any different. Why they showed Nash getting knee'd is beyond me, did they want a tech or something? Bowen did what he is allowed do, they called the foul so let it go. It didn't even seem that Donaghy was the guy makin most the calls, so is it a league scandal? I'm all for fairness but this getting so much attention cus Pho could of won another game is pathetic. If someone is gonna sit here and try to tell me that Phoenix lost this series cus of some questionable calls I'm gonna laugh at them. Now if someone wants to say they lost cus Stoudamire left his bench area then I might agree. I almost want to blame Nash for them losing cus if he didn't flop so bad after he went to the floor when Horry hit him I dont think it would of been that big of a deal. Stoudamire doesn't leave his bench he plays in the next game and they may or may not win, I blame Nash.
It's just another poorly officiated game until it's known that one of the refs is fixing games.

If Phoenix wins that game, then they are up 3-1 in the series after game four with 2 two home games left. That's not significant to you?
 

ARon

Well-Known Member
#15
Who is to say the Suns would of won that game if Donaghy wasnt part of it. How do you know the Suns would of went and then won game 4 after winning game 3. What is significant is that games 1 and 2 in Phoenix they split, so havin games 5 and 7 in Phoenix doesnt mean much, after all the Spurs went 2-1 in Phoenix. This whole thing is a bunch of "IF's" anyway, I think Phoenix fans are making too much of it. Yeah if these refs are found guilty or whatever its fucked, but even so that doesnt mean Phoenix would of done anything different.
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#16
Point is if donaghy fixed that games then the suns had no chance to win it anyhow, wich then does change the outcome of the series becuase it gave the spurs a unfair advantage becuase in essence it gave them one free win, and with how good the spurs are one free win is one to many.

It completly changes the whole dynamic of the series, if u can not see this then you are blind, its signifigant becuase that would have put the pressure on the spurs to win game four at home becuase if they didnt they would've been down 3-1 heading back to phoenix for game 5.


pz
 

ARon

Well-Known Member
#18
Point is if donaghy fixed that games then the suns had no chance to win it anyhow, wich then does change the outcome of the series becuase it gave the spurs a unfair advantage becuase in essence it gave them one free win, and with how good the spurs are one free win is one to many.

It completly changes the whole dynamic of the series, if u can not see this then you are blind, its signifigant becuase that would have put the pressure on the spurs to win game four at home becuase if they didnt they would've been down 3-1 heading back to phoenix for game 5.


pz
Of course any game is going to change the outcome of a series. I was saying it wouldnt cus when Phoenix fans say change the outcome I take it as them meaning Phoenix wins. Therefore of course I'm gonna say it doesnt cus anything could happen, Phoenix could win but so can the Spurs ya knowwww.

Whats this 3-1 for game 5 talk. If game three has a differrent outcome or played any different you and I have no idea what would of happened with game 4. For all you know they could of gone to game 5 2-2 with the same outcome, Suprs in 6. It's up in the air to what would of happened. It's up in the air to suggest anything would of went different with completely different refs.

It's nice to look at it at face value and say this series was fixed, the refs made bad calls oh my. Even if I am looking at it from that perspective I'd say they fixed Game 3 with 4 Games to be played, plenty of opportunity to win this series. It sucks but oh well especially since Phoenix won game 4 and took the series tied at 2 back home. We're back at square one with homecourt advantage. But no they lost, it is my humble opinion you guys are blaming the wrong people. After all it's not like Donaghey was behind Amare pushing him off his bench, heh. It's not like he even made all the bad calls. Were all the refs in on it, or just Donaghey. Was it just an off day for the refs and they only bring it up cus Donaghey was heard being conversed about on a wiretap and this is the game they want to look at? There definitely isnt enough out there right now I feel for phoenix though. They lose cus there players broke a stupid rule that they knew about, there players and coach not being able to handle the pressure, there coach not knowing what to do when he finds out about amares suspension, there coach ripping the NBA pretty much sayin it isnt fair what are we supposed to do now, then this, it really is sad. But yeah, I think Suns fans are barking up the wrong tree.

Anyway I think my whole point in this whole thread is to say ANYTHING could have happened, it is very simple logic and too easy to argue with so Imma just leave it at that. I have typed entirely too much in this post and this thread so good day sirs and carmi.
 

SicC

Dying Breed
Staff member
#19
My point has been stated i am not trying to pass blame what is done is done, but if that game was fixed then that really sucks for us fans.

pz
 

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