Its warrented the hype by the fans and media, but just so U know that not all the media hype LBJ, it was just two weeks or so that the media were shitting on him for being "too unselfish". Skip Bayless was basically echoing your "no competition" in the East arugment. All I know is, at 22 and with historical hype, he is striving. Not to mention, like Jordan, he's making his team better, something Kobe hasn't done since Shaq was shown the door
Cavs vs Spurs
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Im glad someone brought that up.
How exactly does one make their teammates better. How does a player say look here is an open shot, now you usually dont make these but I make you better so you will. Does he draw all the defense to give em open shots, is that making them better? I'm sure someone can bring up he helps build their confidence but these are professional athletes, they're ready to play whenever and wherever so I dont agree with that. Does being a good leader make you make your teammates better? If so how. I dont know I hear that tossed around all the time and thats all people say, he makes his teammaters better. Maybe I'm being nieve about it but come on, you can only ride that horse so much.
How exactly does one make their teammates better. How does a player say look here is an open shot, now you usually dont make these but I make you better so you will. Does he draw all the defense to give em open shots, is that making them better? I'm sure someone can bring up he helps build their confidence but these are professional athletes, they're ready to play whenever and wherever so I dont agree with that. Does being a good leader make you make your teammates better? If so how. I dont know I hear that tossed around all the time and thats all people say, he makes his teammaters better. Maybe I'm being nieve about it but come on, you can only ride that horse so much.
^Just because they're professionals, it doesn't mean they have enough confidence to make the shot in important situations. LeBron makes his teammates better because Varejao is willing to die for him on the court while a 6.7ppg rookie starts averaging 20+ in the conference finals. He gave that boy confidence. When Kobe plays, it's obvious that his teammates can see him trying to be unselfish because he wants to shut his critics up so bad. His teammates feel even more pressure on them to make Kobe look unselfish by making shots. LeBron doesn't put that pressure on his teammates.
LeBron is truly unselfish, it's in his nature. When he takes over a game, it shows how much he wants to win. I get frustrated when I see LeBron pass up so many shots and chances just to have his teammates shoot the ball. He likes that feeling and if you ever played the point, you'd understand.
On the other hand, Kobe is selfish in nature, but has streaks of being unselfish because he wants to be known as that unselfish player.
LeBron is truly unselfish, it's in his nature. When he takes over a game, it shows how much he wants to win. I get frustrated when I see LeBron pass up so many shots and chances just to have his teammates shoot the ball. He likes that feeling and if you ever played the point, you'd understand.
On the other hand, Kobe is selfish in nature, but has streaks of being unselfish because he wants to be known as that unselfish player.
U know what, I really want the CAVs to win this one.
***Love him or hate him, Kobe is an awesome player. All people can say is that he is selfish but hey, the man has an incredible highlight reel (from 18 yr old slam dunk champ, to rape cases, to 81pt games) and without doubt is the best player in the league***
***Love him or hate him, Kobe is an awesome player. All people can say is that he is selfish but hey, the man has an incredible highlight reel (from 18 yr old slam dunk champ, to rape cases, to 81pt games) and without doubt is the best player in the league***
Yes it does, your wrong on this. It was unselfishness that made Magic so great combined with his superior ablities as a guard....it was unselfhiness that allowed Jordan to win the title in 1993 when he gave the rock to John Paxson, win the 1997 title when he gave the rock to Steve Kerr and unselhfisness that made his double nickle 'gaisnt the Knicks when he first came back in 1995 stand out that much more cuz they won the game (on a pass to Bill Weington). You are wrong playa, cause it takes a great player to be able to utilize the pieces around him to make his team better. Why do you think AI, TMAC and recently Kobe havent done shit? Its not that their teams are sorry or the fact that they, as players, are not up to par...its the fact that they lack that basic basketball IQ that the greats possed to utilize the pieces around them. Now I'm not saying that this means that the Lakers, Sixers (when AI was on the squad) or Rockets would've made the fianls if they ahd done this, Im just syaing that they would have done much better (at least get out of the first round). Lebron has shown that he has this.
If MJ, Magic and even fuckin' Bill Russel are hyping up the boy's early flashes of brillence that just shows that he isn't as overrated as you say. Not to mention the players on the Cavs feel as if they are vauled pieces, not just background dancers like the Los Angelses Kobes. I hope they do Spurs but even if they lose for the Cavs to go from the worst in the league to the best in the East in 4 YEARS TIME is saying something no matter who'd they played. They beat the Pistons after falling back by 2 games, that right there is saying something.
Another reason why the Spurs need to lose (CLICK THE LINK FOR A LAUGH):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_UeTfho70lI
If MJ, Magic and even fuckin' Bill Russel are hyping up the boy's early flashes of brillence that just shows that he isn't as overrated as you say. Not to mention the players on the Cavs feel as if they are vauled pieces, not just background dancers like the Los Angelses Kobes. I hope they do Spurs but even if they lose for the Cavs to go from the worst in the league to the best in the East in 4 YEARS TIME is saying something no matter who'd they played. They beat the Pistons after falling back by 2 games, that right there is saying something.
Another reason why the Spurs need to lose (CLICK THE LINK FOR A LAUGH):
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_UeTfho70lI
He is a monsta, no one can say he isn't, but what does it mean to be the best player in the league when you can't even get your team out of the 1st round of the playoffs...surely if he is the best player he should at least get them farther then the 8th....he might be the best player but he isn't the best team player, and thats why his teams are struggling. I hope the Lake show get Jermaine O'Neal or, even better, KG but I dont think that will matter a damn thing because Kobe is Kobe...his style of play, at this point in his carrer, is going harm him and keep him from winning. He already had Shaq win one b4 him, if LBJ somehow wins with the squad he has (which isnt too much, top to bottom, diffrent then the Lakers) then Kobe going feel alot of pressure this coming season to do something. He already has the best coach in the game and decent pieces, in the begining of the season people were ranking the Lakers to at least challenge for the Pacific crown and finish in the top 5, they barely did better then Golden State, a team with a good coach that plays team ball. Thats why the Cavs are in the Finals right now, they know their roles and play team ball....and all feel like they are at least on the same field as LBJ.
iNjurys crippled the Lakers ghetto, Lamar was out for 22 plus games and Kwame was out even longer, luke was out almost a month too. After that the chemistry was not there like it was at the beginning of the season.
Then odom tore the muscle in his shooting arm like a month after his other injury. The lakers have no bench either so its tough to win when u get little production from role players filling in off the bench. Like it or not Kobe had to take over just so the Lakers could get into the playoffs no one else could step up and do it.
What injuries did the cavs suffer through? not much this season no where near the luck of the Lakers. Hell golden state fell off throughout the middle of the season due to injurys too, but bless them if they didnt find there rythm at the end of the season.
Kobe can be selfish but lebron has had to do that himself, Game five anyone? 29 straight points in a row by him and only him, great players make that choice to be selfish or unselfish, Kobe passes the rock, but unfortunatly the shots didnt fall when we needed them so of course he stepped up and started shooting, no different than what Bron did in game five in my opinoin. But I for one do not think Bron is overrated, I think he is a solid all around player.
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Then odom tore the muscle in his shooting arm like a month after his other injury. The lakers have no bench either so its tough to win when u get little production from role players filling in off the bench. Like it or not Kobe had to take over just so the Lakers could get into the playoffs no one else could step up and do it.
What injuries did the cavs suffer through? not much this season no where near the luck of the Lakers. Hell golden state fell off throughout the middle of the season due to injurys too, but bless them if they didnt find there rythm at the end of the season.
Kobe can be selfish but lebron has had to do that himself, Game five anyone? 29 straight points in a row by him and only him, great players make that choice to be selfish or unselfish, Kobe passes the rock, but unfortunatly the shots didnt fall when we needed them so of course he stepped up and started shooting, no different than what Bron did in game five in my opinoin. But I for one do not think Bron is overrated, I think he is a solid all around player.
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Also I do think LeBron is solid player all around, except on defense, which Kobe excels at. But being that doesnt make him the next Jordan like so many say, or the greatest player in the league. He does hte same dunk everytime and people go nuts like it something they have never seen before, shit just gets annoying. Announcers act like no one has ever pulled a fadeaway before like I was sayin earlier. It really has nothin to do with him, Ive said it before.
Kobe is a great player too though, there no doubt that he is paying; however, for his selfish behavior and overal personality in the past today though. He does need help, but the question is how long will the help want to stay if its a repeat of the clash between egos that was Shaq, Kobe and Jackson....theres is no doubt that LBJ is a far less elfish player then Kobe....even though LBJ went 25 str8 points...my question would be how many shots did LBJ shoot and if, when he did pass the ball, did his teammates make those shots, after all, its what the media and fans have been saying he needs to do: take over the game. Kobe trys to take over the game, the whole game it seems like.
^Man i dont know the exact numbers but over that stretch he scored 29 of 30 points I believe. Then wathcin I remember his teammates takin maybe 3 or 4 shots, other than that he would run the clock down and then shoot. But yeah he did take that game over and got love for it, why dont Kobe get the love when he does it? Does he really need to score 81 points everytime for only some of the fans to show some respect.
But yeah this reminds me of the barbershop, good stuff.
But yeah this reminds me of the barbershop, good stuff.
I wouldn't say that Lebron is bad defensively, at all. I think he just hasn't been challenged enough by other players. I mean, look at Prince in the conference finals. I don't think we should credit the LeBron defense, but dude completely sucked, averaged less than 10ppg.
I think the true difference between labeling Kobe as a selfish ballhog and LeBron as the "MJ" type player is this:
1. Kobe passes to his teammates, they miss. LeBron passes to his teammates, they score.
I think the true difference between labeling Kobe as a selfish ballhog and LeBron as the "MJ" type player is this:
1. Kobe passes to his teammates, they miss. LeBron passes to his teammates, they score.
I think Hughes didn't show anything this whole Conference Finals. Aside from his lengthy hands that got some deflections here and there, I thought his defense was okay and his offense was completely awful. So, I'd agree that he really needs to step his game up if the Cavs are going to have a shot against the Spurs.
Yea but Kobe hasnt done that type of game since Shaq. LBJ got praised cuz thats what tha media was waiting 4 him to do...not 2 mention, in such a cruicial game LBJ needed 2 go 4 25str8 points...it was the East Finals, on tha road,against the Pistons tied 2-2. Not a regular season game, at home, against a sad (at the time) defensive team in tha Raptors. Im just sayin, individually LBJ and Kobe belong in tha same breath in terms of talent.
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