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I always wondered if somebody could clear up for me if it is true weather or not he married a 9 year old girl. I know it is a little O/T but my question is at least about Mohammed and the topic title is ' Mohammed'. I also was wondering if anybody could tell me if Islam allows for all men to marry a girl at any age. I read all about Islam all the time and from what I have been studying the men I have spoken to about it actually say it is allowed for them to marry a girl at the age of 8.
Can anbody tell me once and for all if this is true or not because my research says it is true and the men I have asked said it is true but I really would like to get more facts about this from other people as well.
Can anbody tell me once and for all if this is true or not because my research says it is true and the men I have asked said it is true but I really would like to get more facts about this from other people as well.
Yes He was literate, if he wasnt then how could he read the Quran? His wife Khadija(RA) was an extremmly succesful buisness woman and he met her through buisness. So that means he could read AND write. He was a smart,caring,loving man who loved his religon and wanted to spread the word of Islam and wanted peace, NOT war or bloodshed like they make it seem on tv these days.
Sorry for posting twice but HE DID NOT marry a 9 year old girl. I don't know where you got that from but its not true.
And yes, Islam does allow marriage at any age. Women can be older then man and vice-versa. As long as the families are okay with it and its not going to cause any problems to other people. Islam is a lot about making life easy for your self and others.
But forced marriage is not allowed. People can't force someone to marry another person without there ok. Say some one wants to get a 10 year old girl married, but if she isnt okay with it then they can't because it will be a sin.
And yes, Islam does allow marriage at any age. Women can be older then man and vice-versa. As long as the families are okay with it and its not going to cause any problems to other people. Islam is a lot about making life easy for your self and others.
But forced marriage is not allowed. People can't force someone to marry another person without there ok. Say some one wants to get a 10 year old girl married, but if she isnt okay with it then they can't because it will be a sin.
According to certain hadiths, which quote Aisha herself as well as others, she married him at age six or seven and the marriage was "consumated" when she was nine years old.
There's a Wikipedia article on it here, for anyone interested.
Read the Qu'ran? It was (supposedly) recited to him by god, and written down by others.
Are you a Muslim?
There's a Wikipedia article on it here, for anyone interested.
Read the Qu'ran? It was (supposedly) recited to him by god, and written down by others.
Are you a Muslim?
Yes, I'm Muslim. My dads Arabian.
But still, if someone is against marraige, then they can't be forced to get married. Its in the Quran too.
And Im not too sure about whether God recited the Quran to him, but I know he read it himself too. I'll check and see if thats true or not.
Im not trying to start an argument or anything over religon here, but the Quran wasn't written by people...it was given to Muhammed(pbuh) by God...
But still, if someone is against marraige, then they can't be forced to get married. Its in the Quran too.
And Im not too sure about whether God recited the Quran to him, but I know he read it himself too. I'll check and see if thats true or not.
Im not trying to start an argument or anything over religon here, but the Quran wasn't written by people...it was given to Muhammed(pbuh) by God...
umm...ok first off before I say anything else let me just say I am just asking for people to clarify facts/non-facts for me. I am just learning right now and am in no way an expert and have a LOT left to learn about the religion and when you have literally almost no help from anybody it is really hard to determine fact from fiction SO with that said ...I have almost nobody to teach me about these things but to answer your question .I got it off of researching numerous sites that teach their religion and answer questions sent in to them about their religion and, not only that but, It's basically common talk here that he married a 9 year old.There are also speculations that she was actually as old as 12 or 13. Also if you speak to muslim women here (also part of my research) they were forced to marry at 13 in some cases even younger and they DIDN'T have a choice. I mean all you have to do is some research and you'll find it is commonly said that marrying a child and having sex with her is common and also that Mohammad married a child as well and that Islam has no child sex abuse laws. They WANT child sex abuse laws but apparently many islamic countries don't have any apparently
Also try joining forums and public discussions where people come together and discuss these issues. This is what they have all stated that the facts I have are correct That's what I have learned from my research HOWEVER at the same time I came on here to ask for more help because I have no way of knowing weather or not my research is in any way remotely accurate. so please I hope you don't think I am being ignorant or anything but I am doing this almost all on my own with no help from anybody and it's kind of hard to distinguish fact from peoples faulse views of islam.
ok i'll try and clarify some things to the best of my knowledge, so if I make any mistakes, hey fuck it, we're all human and here to learn a lil something:
a) Yes the claims are that Mohammad (pbuh) was illiterate. He Did not read nor write the Quran. There was revalations brought to him through the Angel Gabriel. Quranic verses were written down by his follwers, and compiled later on into the book itself. Most early Muslims knew the Quran through methods of memorization, from the revalations brought down to the prophet then passed on to his followers.
proofs of him being illiterate, I dont have, that was just something that from what I've read was just common knowledge among the people that knew him, therefore it made him more believeable. I know theres verses in the Quran and stuff that indicate that he was illiterate, but providing u guys proofs from there would kinda be pointless?
Now, according to Islam there is also proofs that he became literate as he gained prophecy. In the first revalation, Gabriel asked him to read, and he replied I cannot, and repeated his request, and the Prophet was able to do it.
b) Yes there as proofs that the Prophet married Aisha at a very young age. Now this is one thing i never really understood. But what I do know is that the Prophet had visions of marrying her in his dreams on 2 occassions, then asked her father for her hand in marriage. I've also heard that this was an accepted custom in Arabia at the time. But umm, I found a really long article on that which is from a somewhat credible source of Islamic knowledge, although it is a very (salafi/wahabi) website, so I dont agree with everything they say, but its the most comprehensive article i found so:
http://www.islaam.ca/what-is-islam-/women-in-islam/the-young-marriage-of-aa-ishah-the-wife-of-prophet-muh-2.html
Another thing I just wanted to sy is Islam doesnt allow the marriage of 2 ppl that dont completely agree to it. Although alot of Muslims have strayed from that and act like the man can just pick a girl and just marry her without a consent, this is far from the truth. So why the contradiction between the Prophet's action and the messege of islam? 2 reasons
a) There's is a Hadith where the Prophet said, 'If my actions ever contradict my statements (quran and hadith). Always refer to the statements. Because I'm only a man and make mistakes also, and I also fall victim to circumstances' (paraphrased)
b) There was certain things that the Prophet had done, due to revalations from God, that he did as a part of fulfilling prophecy, that didnt mean anyone could do it... which i dont believe is the case in this situation, since he would explicitly mention it after.
.. so marrying a girl at the age of 9, IMO is basically marrying her without her consent, since she's too young to make a decision like that, but now that becomes very subjective from society to society. Whats the age one can make that decision? 16? 18? 21?.. who knows.
I think when u study religion, what u believe and what u dont is just faith. Because most of it is just alot of history. So you cant really Prove anything that a man said or did in that era. You got written history books, but who decides whether thats PROOF or not and how accurate they really are? I dont know, to me, I believe in Islam, because I have an element of faith. I'm not a blind follower, I've juggled with many idea's and understand where an athiest is coming from. But uhh, if u study the sciences of Hadith it is actually a quite comprehensive method of evaluating it. But the problem comes when people interpret it.
And when it comes down to it, I cant prove to anyone that god exists. And no-one can prove to me that he does'nt. I guess its just something inside you. I feel at peace with my religion, but it makes me sad that its misrepresented by either uneducated modernist that are trying to make everyone else look bad OR uneducated extremeist that make everyone else look bad.
Islam doesnt tell u to strap urself to a bomb and kill innocent ppl, nor does it tell u to turn the other cheek. It doesnt tell you to force women to wear a nikaab nor does it tell u to let women OR men run around naked.
.. Sorry if I've made any mistakes, I was just shedding light on the situation to the best of my knowledge, and I aint trying to front like i have all the answers.
~peace
a) Yes the claims are that Mohammad (pbuh) was illiterate. He Did not read nor write the Quran. There was revalations brought to him through the Angel Gabriel. Quranic verses were written down by his follwers, and compiled later on into the book itself. Most early Muslims knew the Quran through methods of memorization, from the revalations brought down to the prophet then passed on to his followers.
proofs of him being illiterate, I dont have, that was just something that from what I've read was just common knowledge among the people that knew him, therefore it made him more believeable. I know theres verses in the Quran and stuff that indicate that he was illiterate, but providing u guys proofs from there would kinda be pointless?
Now, according to Islam there is also proofs that he became literate as he gained prophecy. In the first revalation, Gabriel asked him to read, and he replied I cannot, and repeated his request, and the Prophet was able to do it.
b) Yes there as proofs that the Prophet married Aisha at a very young age. Now this is one thing i never really understood. But what I do know is that the Prophet had visions of marrying her in his dreams on 2 occassions, then asked her father for her hand in marriage. I've also heard that this was an accepted custom in Arabia at the time. But umm, I found a really long article on that which is from a somewhat credible source of Islamic knowledge, although it is a very (salafi/wahabi) website, so I dont agree with everything they say, but its the most comprehensive article i found so:
http://www.islaam.ca/what-is-islam-/women-in-islam/the-young-marriage-of-aa-ishah-the-wife-of-prophet-muh-2.html
Another thing I just wanted to sy is Islam doesnt allow the marriage of 2 ppl that dont completely agree to it. Although alot of Muslims have strayed from that and act like the man can just pick a girl and just marry her without a consent, this is far from the truth. So why the contradiction between the Prophet's action and the messege of islam? 2 reasons
a) There's is a Hadith where the Prophet said, 'If my actions ever contradict my statements (quran and hadith). Always refer to the statements. Because I'm only a man and make mistakes also, and I also fall victim to circumstances' (paraphrased)
b) There was certain things that the Prophet had done, due to revalations from God, that he did as a part of fulfilling prophecy, that didnt mean anyone could do it... which i dont believe is the case in this situation, since he would explicitly mention it after.
.. so marrying a girl at the age of 9, IMO is basically marrying her without her consent, since she's too young to make a decision like that, but now that becomes very subjective from society to society. Whats the age one can make that decision? 16? 18? 21?.. who knows.
I think when u study religion, what u believe and what u dont is just faith. Because most of it is just alot of history. So you cant really Prove anything that a man said or did in that era. You got written history books, but who decides whether thats PROOF or not and how accurate they really are? I dont know, to me, I believe in Islam, because I have an element of faith. I'm not a blind follower, I've juggled with many idea's and understand where an athiest is coming from. But uhh, if u study the sciences of Hadith it is actually a quite comprehensive method of evaluating it. But the problem comes when people interpret it.
And when it comes down to it, I cant prove to anyone that god exists. And no-one can prove to me that he does'nt. I guess its just something inside you. I feel at peace with my religion, but it makes me sad that its misrepresented by either uneducated modernist that are trying to make everyone else look bad OR uneducated extremeist that make everyone else look bad.
Islam doesnt tell u to strap urself to a bomb and kill innocent ppl, nor does it tell u to turn the other cheek. It doesnt tell you to force women to wear a nikaab nor does it tell u to let women OR men run around naked.
.. Sorry if I've made any mistakes, I was just shedding light on the situation to the best of my knowledge, and I aint trying to front like i have all the answers.
~peace
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