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Looks like AZ is back on the menu for France and Germany
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...cine-after-regulators-back-shot-idUSKBN2BA25E
I'll be honest, I have heard a lot of skepticism about the vaccines due to how quickly they were developed and approved and most of the concerns have been about "long term" effects. I was interested in finding the source of the skepticism but I guess I didn't care enough to look in to the method of development and why the layman is questioning it. I can't imagine there being long term effects from just this vaccine when we take vaccines for the flu, hepatitis, tetanus, etc. and haven't gotten boned by them.
Again, I am ignorant on the arguments people are making and the process of development but the sense I feel from this is that at worst it will do nothing to protect us, which I am OK with since I still take precautions regularly. I don't think there would be a net decrease in safety from getting COVID and that's really all the best we can hope for. It's the best we hope for when we take our yearly flu shots, as well.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...cine-after-regulators-back-shot-idUSKBN2BA25E
I'll be honest, I have heard a lot of skepticism about the vaccines due to how quickly they were developed and approved and most of the concerns have been about "long term" effects. I was interested in finding the source of the skepticism but I guess I didn't care enough to look in to the method of development and why the layman is questioning it. I can't imagine there being long term effects from just this vaccine when we take vaccines for the flu, hepatitis, tetanus, etc. and haven't gotten boned by them.
Again, I am ignorant on the arguments people are making and the process of development but the sense I feel from this is that at worst it will do nothing to protect us, which I am OK with since I still take precautions regularly. I don't think there would be a net decrease in safety from getting COVID and that's really all the best we can hope for. It's the best we hope for when we take our yearly flu shots, as well.
Sounds scary + rumors about what they contain + you're injecting something you don't understand into your body. I used to be scared of vaccines and I still am worried just because of how weird it feels, but there isn't much in terms of a rational fear there. Some people feel the same fear and try to rationalize it believing they have some sort of a hunch that others don't, and assign a belief to their fear in their ignorance.
I can see the anti-vaxxers' beliefs based in pseudoscience and propaganda on social media. But I was specifically talking about people who aren't anti-vax but still think this vaccine is something different that will have long-term effects. If it's an allergy to the contents of the vaccine, that's something immediate. You would feel the effects within minutes of being innoculated, which is why they screen you beforehand and still make you wait 15 minutes after getting the shot to observe you for any adverse effects. But it sounds to me people are thinking that getting the vaccine today would lead to issues months or year down the line. I don't know of that happening to anyone that took a routine vaccination in the past, like the flu, hepatitis, tetanus, etc. vaccine. Why would this COVID vaccine be any different?
I might have to venture in to the sanctuary of retards of the internet and actually read what they say is the reason for their skepticism on this vaccine in particular. It's odd because it doesn't have anti-vax rhetoric to it and instead looks like anti-COVID vaccine instead. I know one Filipino patient I saw was skeptical of the Moderna vaccine because it was from China. Or developed by the Chinese. So maybe some anti-Chinese sentiments. But Pfizer and J&J are German and US-based, if I'm not mistaken.
I might have to venture in to the sanctuary of retards of the internet and actually read what they say is the reason for their skepticism on this vaccine in particular. It's odd because it doesn't have anti-vax rhetoric to it and instead looks like anti-COVID vaccine instead. I know one Filipino patient I saw was skeptical of the Moderna vaccine because it was from China. Or developed by the Chinese. So maybe some anti-Chinese sentiments. But Pfizer and J&J are German and US-based, if I'm not mistaken.
I think there are some legit concerns about the fertility part. Or at least that it's "inconclusive" and people are being skeptical about that. That's fine. I know when I got my shot, there was a question for the females that asked if they planned on getting pregnant in the near future and it was a question in regards to the Moderna vaccine. Again, I never looked in to it and just wanted the vaccine and I assumed everyone else was just ready to get it over with and improve their chances of not catching COVID. But the fact that the hospital was at least asking the women getting the shots about pregnancy in the future, means that something hasn't been established as yet in regards to concerns of fertility and they're screening applicants beforehand just in case.
@keco52 as far as I am aware it has not been testsed in pregnancy
From NHS website
Many vaccines can be given safely in pregnancy so what is the advice about this vaccine?
The vaccines have not yet been tested in pregnancy, so until more information is available, those who are pregnant should not routinely have this vaccine. Non-clinical evidence is required before any clinical studies in pregnancy can start, and before that, it is usual to not recommend routine vaccination during pregnancy.
Evidence from non-clinical studies of the Pfizer BioNTech, Astra-Zeneca and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines has been reviewed by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and has raised no concerns about safety in pregnancy.
Evidence on COVID-19 vaccines has also been reviewed by the World Health Organization and the regulatory bodies in the US, Canada and Europe and has raised no concerns about safety in pregnancy.
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has recognised that the potential benefits of vaccination are particularly important for some pregnant women. This includes those who are at very high risk of catching the infection or those with clinical conditions that put them at high risk of suffering serious complications from COVID-19.
In these circumstances, you should discuss vaccination with your doctor or nurse, and you may feel that it is better to go ahead and receive the protection from the vaccine.
From NHS website
Many vaccines can be given safely in pregnancy so what is the advice about this vaccine?
The vaccines have not yet been tested in pregnancy, so until more information is available, those who are pregnant should not routinely have this vaccine. Non-clinical evidence is required before any clinical studies in pregnancy can start, and before that, it is usual to not recommend routine vaccination during pregnancy.
Evidence from non-clinical studies of the Pfizer BioNTech, Astra-Zeneca and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines has been reviewed by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and has raised no concerns about safety in pregnancy.
Evidence on COVID-19 vaccines has also been reviewed by the World Health Organization and the regulatory bodies in the US, Canada and Europe and has raised no concerns about safety in pregnancy.
The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) has recognised that the potential benefits of vaccination are particularly important for some pregnant women. This includes those who are at very high risk of catching the infection or those with clinical conditions that put them at high risk of suffering serious complications from COVID-19.
In these circumstances, you should discuss vaccination with your doctor or nurse, and you may feel that it is better to go ahead and receive the protection from the vaccine.
I believe pregnant women have been getting the shots. The other day there was a headline about the first child being born with COVID antibodies already. I'm not sure if that meant the mom had COVID during the term but I do think I saw something about pregnant women getting it.
But what I was referring to was another concern some people have about being able to conceive after getting the shot. At least that's what I think the concern was about. They were only asking the female recipients about future pregnancy and I think it was about receiving the Moderna vaccine. I don't think the Pfizer one has the concerns for it.
All the vaccines are being given to pregnant women, though. As far as studies being done on pregnant women, I'm not sure.
But what I was referring to was another concern some people have about being able to conceive after getting the shot. At least that's what I think the concern was about. They were only asking the female recipients about future pregnancy and I think it was about receiving the Moderna vaccine. I don't think the Pfizer one has the concerns for it.
All the vaccines are being given to pregnant women, though. As far as studies being done on pregnant women, I'm not sure.
According to the BBC there is no evidence it can harm fertility
laims on social media that the Covid vaccine could affect female fertility are unfounded, experts have said.
Posts have incorrectly suggested the Pfizer vaccine could cause infertility in women, or cause their bodies to attack the placenta.
But there is no "plausible biological mechanism" by which the vaccine could affect your fertility, says Prof Lucy Chappell, a professor in obstetrics at King's College London and spokesperson for the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.
How does the vaccine work?
The vaccine works by sending a message to the body with a blueprint, allowing it to manufacture a small, harmless fragment of the coronavirus's distinctive "spike".
This prompts your immune system to kick into action, producing antibodies and white blood cells to fight off the virus - and recognising it if you encounter it again.
It can't give you the virus, and it has no way of affecting your own genetic information.
These "messenger particles" are extremely short-lived: they deliver their message and then they are destroyed. That's why the Pfizer vaccine in particular has to be stored so carefully - the genetic material it contains falls apart and becomes useless very easily.
Prof Nicola Stonehouse, a virologist at the University of Leeds, said there was no possible way she could think of that this could have an impact on reproductive health.
What does the evidence say?
Online, some people have pointed to a line in an earlier version of guidance published by the UK government stating it was "unknown" whether the Pfizer vaccine had an impact on fertility. This has since been updated to clarify that animal studies don't indicate any harmful effects on the reproductive system.
Part of the confusion here is down to how scientists describe things compared with how most of us would understand them in our daily lives.
When scientists say there is "no evidence" they mean there hasn't yet been a long-term study on this specific vaccine - but that doesn't mean there are no facts here at all or we're shooting in the dark.
In fact, Prof Chappell pointed out, there is lots of evidence from other non-live virus vaccines, including the flu jab, that they have no impact on fertility and are completely safe and recommended for use during pregnancy.
False placenta claims
Some of the rumours have suggested the vaccine could threaten fertility because it contains proteins also used to make the placenta. Posts on social media have claimed this could lead the body to attack the placenta.
This is not true - the vaccine does contain a protein which slightly resembles one used in the development of the placenta but it's not similar enough to confuse the body.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56012529
laims on social media that the Covid vaccine could affect female fertility are unfounded, experts have said.
Posts have incorrectly suggested the Pfizer vaccine could cause infertility in women, or cause their bodies to attack the placenta.
But there is no "plausible biological mechanism" by which the vaccine could affect your fertility, says Prof Lucy Chappell, a professor in obstetrics at King's College London and spokesperson for the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.
How does the vaccine work?
The vaccine works by sending a message to the body with a blueprint, allowing it to manufacture a small, harmless fragment of the coronavirus's distinctive "spike".
This prompts your immune system to kick into action, producing antibodies and white blood cells to fight off the virus - and recognising it if you encounter it again.
It can't give you the virus, and it has no way of affecting your own genetic information.
These "messenger particles" are extremely short-lived: they deliver their message and then they are destroyed. That's why the Pfizer vaccine in particular has to be stored so carefully - the genetic material it contains falls apart and becomes useless very easily.
Prof Nicola Stonehouse, a virologist at the University of Leeds, said there was no possible way she could think of that this could have an impact on reproductive health.
What does the evidence say?
Online, some people have pointed to a line in an earlier version of guidance published by the UK government stating it was "unknown" whether the Pfizer vaccine had an impact on fertility. This has since been updated to clarify that animal studies don't indicate any harmful effects on the reproductive system.
Part of the confusion here is down to how scientists describe things compared with how most of us would understand them in our daily lives.
When scientists say there is "no evidence" they mean there hasn't yet been a long-term study on this specific vaccine - but that doesn't mean there are no facts here at all or we're shooting in the dark.
In fact, Prof Chappell pointed out, there is lots of evidence from other non-live virus vaccines, including the flu jab, that they have no impact on fertility and are completely safe and recommended for use during pregnancy.
- What you need to know about vaccine safety
- Will I get side effects from the vaccine?
- 'Worrying' if minorities don't get jab - Van-Tam
False placenta claims
Some of the rumours have suggested the vaccine could threaten fertility because it contains proteins also used to make the placenta. Posts on social media have claimed this could lead the body to attack the placenta.
This is not true - the vaccine does contain a protein which slightly resembles one used in the development of the placenta but it's not similar enough to confuse the body.
Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56012529
That's good to know. That is talking about Pfizer though. If I remember correctly, the concerns were about the Moderna vaccine. Women were being asked these questions regarding the Moderna vaccine and instead given the Pfizer. But I've only heard rumblings a few months back and haven't seen or heard anything in the news about it and the concerns. I also only saw a handful of women being asked this at the hospital when I was getting mine, so maybe they've stopped asking now?
May be it was a measure to absolve them of legal issues in the future in case something did sprout up later on. On the one hand, hospitals are not telling you which vaccine you get until you've had it nor do they give you the option to choose. Giving hysterical people more options just leads to more hysteria. On the other hand, I've also seen them ask those questions to women about future pregnancy, so it means some people do have a choice.
May be it was a measure to absolve them of legal issues in the future in case something did sprout up later on. On the one hand, hospitals are not telling you which vaccine you get until you've had it nor do they give you the option to choose. Giving hysterical people more options just leads to more hysteria. On the other hand, I've also seen them ask those questions to women about future pregnancy, so it means some people do have a choice.
I did finally look into some of the concerns people are having. The fear is because of mRNA?
The use of mRNA has been studied since the early 90s, if not late 80s? It showed promising results with tumor growth inhibition. This is exciting to me. Maybe I’m naive because we really don’t have a lot of information on the long term effects, but, this will lead to advances in immuno-oncology, right?
The use of mRNA has been studied since the early 90s, if not late 80s? It showed promising results with tumor growth inhibition. This is exciting to me. Maybe I’m naive because we really don’t have a lot of information on the long term effects, but, this will lead to advances in immuno-oncology, right?
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