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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Some S21 images leaked on Twitter:
I think the details have been leaking for a month or two now and there's not a whole lot of mystery around what it will look like and features/specs. But I also haven't been paying attention to mobile news for some time now, just the big ones that make it in to the headlines on Twitter or Reddit.

Also, the Note 20 and, I think Note 10, had the One UI 3.0 update roll out today. S10 should be soon, although I don't know what I'm even looking forward to. The S10 sub sounds like a bunch of teenagers that want OS updates just to flex on their iOS friends. I don't think even they know what they're hoping for.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
https://winfuture.de/news,120358.html

So Sammy may have killed, or be killing, the Note lineup but the S Pen has become "optional?"

Man, this S21 better start at $700 or something because this isn't looking like it's going to be worth it. I'm hearing other people say more and more that Samsung wants people to jump to the Flip flagships, a premium of several hundred more dollars.
 

masta247

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Should I wait for the S21 or get the S20 now?

Currently on an S9+
Leaks around the S21 are disappointing so far, but it might launch in the upcoming weeks so if you're not in a hurry you might want to wait a couple of weeks. At the very least the S20 prices will start going down too.

https://winfuture.de/news,120358.html

So Sammy may have killed, or be killing, the Note lineup but the S Pen has become "optional?"

Man, this S21 better start at $700 or something because this isn't looking like it's going to be worth it. I'm hearing other people say more and more that Samsung wants people to jump to the Flip flagships, a premium of several hundred more dollars.
The rumors around the S21 are very disappointing so far, as the leaks point to a significant downgrade apart from the chipset.. what's up with that? If this meant a significant price cut, it would be understandable since price has been a major barrier affecting their sales ever since the S10. I thought it was coming considering memory modules are so cheap at the moment, and 888 coming with a built- in modem removing the need for two chips, and saving a lot of money relative to the S20.

Then we found out they won't be shipping with a charger and headphones, easily shaving an additional $50 between BOM and other costs associated with packing them with the phone. Then the lower res display, less RAM, recycled design and largely same cameras cutting their R&D costs. It was a recipe for a much cheaper flagship smartphone again, but it looks like they took it as a recipe for sky high profit margins instead? Except their sales have been dwindling so launching a sub par Galaxy at almost the same sky-high price is a very bad move that doesn't make sense. Has Samsung officially lost its edge?
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Leaks around the S21 are disappointing so far, but it might launch in the upcoming weeks so if you're not in a hurry you might want to wait a couple of weeks. At the very least the S20 prices will start going down too.



The rumors around the S21 are very disappointing so far, as the leaks point to a significant downgrade apart from the chipset.. what's up with that? If this meant a significant price cut, it would be understandable since price has been a major barrier affecting their sales ever since the S10. I thought it was coming considering memory modules are so cheap at the moment, and 888 coming with a built- in modem removing the need for two chips, and saving a lot of money relative to the S20.

Then we found out they won't be shipping with a charger and headphones, easily shaving an additional $50 between BOM and other costs associated with packing them with the phone. Then the lower res display, less RAM, recycled design and largely same cameras cutting their R&D costs. It was a recipe for a much cheaper flagship smartphone again, but it looks like they took it as a recipe for sky high profit margins instead? Except their sales have been dwindling so launching a sub par Galaxy at almost the same sky-high price is a very bad move that doesn't make sense. Has Samsung officially lost its edge?
I'll start looking at other options than Samsung for Android devices, but it's not looking good. I always look at the Pixels and try to view it as an iPhone that runs Android, at least in how it's treated to updates and features on day-0, but the hardware still doesn't feel like it's on the same level.

TMo has the OnePlus and might be the only carrier that keeps it in their stores but I'll have to look deeper in to its pros and cons. I think last year's models lacked wireless charging? Or maybe it was 2019's models. Such a simple feature but it was omitted. Otherwise there's nothing else offered in the US that's on the level of Samsung. I don't know what the community's views are on LG devices but they had bootloop issues galore last I checked and I feel like they never recovered from shaking off that bad rep.
Since I stream less and less video on my phone, I may even be open to getting a smaller phone than my S10+ and I think the iPhone Mini fits the bill. Or the Pixel 4A because of price and size, but...I don't trust Google and its reliability.
 

THEV1LL4N

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Not really I guess I just really like them
Can we get those in the UK?

Thanks

Katie
Yes, you will be able to get it on their official UK website (mi.com/uk) and also Amazon - should be released in January 2021. There will most likely be some listings on eBay too and maybe some mobile networks will sell their devices (I think Three and Vodafone sell Xiaomi phones).

https://www.gsmarena.com/xiaomi_mi_11-10656.php

The Google Pixel 4a is really good too and you'll be paying a fraction of the price (£349) - it does pretty much everything you need in a phone and based on my experience on having one it works really well and is really nice to use. If you want something slightly more powerful then the Pixel 4a 5G is £50 off (making it £100 more than the 4a (£449). The Pixel 5 is at £599 which is the highest spec Pixel phone this year but could do with a discount to make it that little bit more appealing. I think Google have done a really good job with their phones this year. Xiaomi are in a very strong position too and they will be capitalising on where Samsung have dropped the ball and Huawei not having Android/Google Play services. Doesn't mean Huawei phones aren't a good option though. If I remember correctly, Harmony OS will still be able to emulate Android apps and have apps that you are familiar with from their own app store. Their cameras are excellent too.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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Still running my pixel 3a. I am tempted to upgrade. But it's still smooth as the day I got it..... The only thing I'd consider upgrading for is the camera, and potentially aesthetics. I'd like to get something with less of a bezel....
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
One UI 3.0 was released yesterday. Not sure what I'm supposed to be excited about in this update and I'm also wondering what others who bemoan only 1-2 updates from Samsung are upset about. My phone feels the same as it did 2 years ago and looks the same, as well. Which is to say it works well and the only annoying thing about my phone are intrusive Samsung dialog boxes whenever I open up Samsung Pay to make a payment. Every time. I have to dismiss a dialog box asking to try something or go to some website and Samsung doesn't get the hint that I'm not going to do it.

Another box checked as a reason to dump Samsung. Pay still works well, as it always has, but after gimping Rewards to mean basically nothing and now having an extra, BS menu to tap before accessing your payment card while in line at the store is just nonsense.

@masta247 what are alternative Android devices we can get in the US that still have a warranty? Meaning not buying a foreign brand that has its warranty voided in the US. Is OnePlus my only choice? OnePlus who has gone so far from what the OP2 "flagship killer" phone from 2014 or 15 was?
 

masta247

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Anyone heard of or used Oppo phones?
Oppo is the same company as OnePlus, Vivo etc. OnePlus phones are typically 1:1 Western rebrands of Oppo phones which are typically sold on Asian markets. They are I think the fourth largest smartphone manufacturers in the world, behind Xiaomi but ahead of Apple. I never actually used any of their phones but they are very popular in Asia.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Oppo is the same company as OnePlus, Vivo etc. OnePlus phones are typically 1:1 Western rebrands of Oppo phones which are typically sold on Asian markets. They are I think the fourth largest smartphone manufacturers in the world, behind Xiaomi but ahead of Apple. I never actually used any of their phones but they are very popular in Asia.
OnePlus was marketed as a "startup" many years back, correct? I read something like that on Reddit that it was Oppo trying to market their stuff to the West so they made a new name/company under their umbrella and made it seem like a fresh new face in the mobile world, when really it was just something like Toyota rebadging their cars and sprucing them up for the US and calling it "Lexus." Even though Toyota was doing just fine in the US.
 

masta247

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OnePlus was marketed as a "startup" many years back, correct? I read something like that on Reddit that it was Oppo trying to market their stuff to the West so they made a new name/company under their umbrella and made it seem like a fresh new face in the mobile world, when really it was just something like Toyota rebadging their cars and sprucing them up for the US and calling it "Lexus." Even though Toyota was doing just fine in the US.
It was never a start-up, that was a complete lie that looked good as part of their marketing strategy to enter the US market. It's a bit deeper than Toyota since all of those smartphone brands belong to this company:
BBK Electronics - Wikipedia
If their brands were all counted as one, they would be the largest smartphone maker by volume of phones sold in the world. And frankly, they definitely should be counted that way.

Lexus models would largely be different cars, that brand was meant to be reserved for distinct, higher end cars made by Toyota. The brand has had its purpose.
What BBK Electronic does is, they design one phone, make three variants of it with minor modifications, and literally release it under three different brands. It sounds like the stupidest strategy ever, but it works, in particular in the US where people are happy to buy OnePlus phones but would never buy an Oppo or Vivo, even though it's the exact same "Chinese" phone - perhaps with a slightly smaller screen, or a slightly different layout of the same cameras on the back, made within the same company.

The structure looks like this: 100% of OnePlus is owned by Oppo, which is 100% owned by BBK Electronics. BBK Electronics is funded by the CCP and largely managed by members of the CCP that work for the company, as it is stipulated by the Chinese law. As a matter of fact, OnePlus is also required to have a CCP board within its ranks due to being headquartered in China and managing more than 10 engineers (that's literally the law in China).
Suddenly nobody is worried about Chinese dangers there, despite it being even more suspicious as the entire design and manufacturing is done in house in China.

In comparison, Huawei for instance is purely a multinational conglomerate. While the headquarters is tied with the CCP, they have many engineering offices in western countries. They are largely bound by international regulations and best practices when designing their software, for instance, a lot of which is developed in Europe.
BBK Electronics does everything in-house supervised by nobody but the Chinese govt, then they have to pass bare minimum regulations (such as emissions, bluetooth certifications etc.) and they're good to go to be sold abroad. Huawei had their own US offices offering local support, marketing and dealing with regulatory bodies locally in the US. With OnePlus you are dealing directly with China, with a tiny team consisting of a few people hired in the US, England and India facilitating that communication. People are incredibly chill about OnePlus in the US compared to the mainstream hate bandwagon companies.
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
It was never a start-up, that was a complete lie that looked good as part of their marketing strategy to enter the US market. It's a bit deeper than Toyota since all of those smartphone brands belong to this company:
BBK Electronics - Wikipedia
If their brands were all counted as one, they would be the largest smartphone maker by volume of phones sold in the world. And frankly, they definitely should be counted that way.

Lexus models would largely be different cars, that brand was meant to be reserved for distinct, higher end cars made by Toyota. The brand has had its purpose.
What BBK Electronic does is, they design one phone, make three variants of it with minor modifications, and literally release it under three different brands. It sounds like the stupidest strategy ever, but it works, in particular in the US where people are happy to buy OnePlus phones but would never buy an Oppo or Vivo, even though it's the exact same "Chinese" phone - perhaps with a slightly smaller screen, or a slightly different layout of the same cameras on the back, made within the same company.

The structure looks like this: 100% of OnePlus is owned by Oppo, which is 100% owned by BBK Electronics. BBK Electronics is funded by the CCP and largely managed by members of the CCP that work for the company, as it is stipulated by the Chinese law. As a matter of fact, OnePlus is also required to have a CCP board within its ranks due to being headquartered in China and managing more than 10 engineers (that's literally the law in China).
Suddenly nobody is worried about Chinese dangers there, despite it being even more suspicious as the entire design and manufacturing is done in house in China.

In comparison, Huawei for instance is purely a multinational conglomerate. While the headquarters is tied with the CCP, they have many engineering offices in western countries. They are largely bound by international regulations and best practices when designing their software, for instance, a lot of which is developed in Europe.
BBK Electronics does everything in-house supervised by nobody but the Chinese govt, then they have to pass bare minimum regulations (such as emissions, bluetooth certifications etc.) and they're good to go to be sold abroad. Huawei had their own US offices offering local support, marketing and dealing with regulatory bodies locally in the US. With OnePlus you are dealing directly with China, with a tiny team consisting of a few people hired in the US, England and India facilitating that communication. People are incredibly chill about OnePlus in the US compared to the mainstream hate bandwagon companies.
Either way, it's some shady stuff. I know we had a discussion some months back about the distrust some people have about Chinese OEMs and potential security risks. From what you said, Oppo is the shady one and Huawei and Xiaomi at least have some HQs in Western countries. It's so weird that Oppo is the one sold in the US readily through carrier stores (T-Mobile) and the other OEMs I don't know where I'd even get one. One of the Nexus devices was a Huawei and that was the 5x? Nexus 6? Something like that. But that was the last I heard of them in the US.

So OnePlus is off the table, whether the concerns are legit or not. It feels more and more like Samsung has monopoly on the US Android market. People who don't care about what phone they have and just want the cheapest may look to an A series Galaxy but LG and Moto still offer much cheaper options for those people. But for people who are aware of some aspect of the tech in their phones, which one of them is buying the LG flagship over an S or Note 20?
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
Staff member
I'd happily use a OnePlus phone and have done before. I also have a lovely Huawei matebook that cost me £1000. A lovely device



My parents have these Tenda mesh WiFi devices. These are very regular trying to communicate back to the mothership. But I've blocked them talking to taobao, QQ.com etc by using pihole
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
It was never a start-up, that was a complete lie that looked good as part of their marketing strategy to enter the US market. It's a bit deeper than Toyota since all of those smartphone brands belong to this company:
BBK Electronics - Wikipedia
If their brands were all counted as one, they would be the largest smartphone maker by volume of phones sold in the world. And frankly, they definitely should be counted that way.

Lexus models would largely be different cars, that brand was meant to be reserved for distinct, higher end cars made by Toyota. The brand has had its purpose.
What BBK Electronic does is, they design one phone, make three variants of it with minor modifications, and literally release it under three different brands. It sounds like the stupidest strategy ever, but it works, in particular in the US where people are happy to buy OnePlus phones but would never buy an Oppo or Vivo, even though it's the exact same "Chinese" phone - perhaps with a slightly smaller screen, or a slightly different layout of the same cameras on the back, made within the same company.

The structure looks like this: 100% of OnePlus is owned by Oppo, which is 100% owned by BBK Electronics. BBK Electronics is funded by the CCP and largely managed by members of the CCP that work for the company, as it is stipulated by the Chinese law. As a matter of fact, OnePlus is also required to have a CCP board within its ranks due to being headquartered in China and managing more than 10 engineers (that's literally the law in China).
Suddenly nobody is worried about Chinese dangers there, despite it being even more suspicious as the entire design and manufacturing is done in house in China.

In comparison, Huawei for instance is purely a multinational conglomerate. While the headquarters is tied with the CCP, they have many engineering offices in western countries. They are largely bound by international regulations and best practices when designing their software, for instance, a lot of which is developed in Europe.
BBK Electronics does everything in-house supervised by nobody but the Chinese govt, then they have to pass bare minimum regulations (such as emissions, bluetooth certifications etc.) and they're good to go to be sold abroad. Huawei had their own US offices offering local support, marketing and dealing with regulatory bodies locally in the US. With OnePlus you are dealing directly with China, with a tiny team consisting of a few people hired in the US, England and India facilitating that communication. People are incredibly chill about OnePlus in the US compared to the mainstream hate bandwagon companies.

lol MKBHD a Streethop member confirmed?
 

THEV1LL4N

Well-Known Member
Still running my pixel 3a. I am tempted to upgrade. But it's still smooth as the day I got it..... The only thing I'd consider upgrading for is the camera, and potentially aesthetics. I'd like to get something with less of a bezel....
The Pixel 4a, Pixel 4a 5G and Pixel 5 would meet your needs based on this. There might even be a Pixel 5a coming in the spring and the Pixel 6 will most likely have a triple camera setup which should give that line a much needed update with regards to the camera sensor. I would wait until there are further leaks - after all, I am the guy who upgraded his phone after 5 and a half years, so 2½ to 3 years isn't that long.

While the Pixel line may not be the most groundbreaking, I do think that Google have taken a step in the right direction and are now offering a much more competitive option in the Android space. Their software is incredibly great, really smooth and the experience is perhaps the best you'll get on Android. The Pixel 3a is still a great phone at this point.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Samsung may have removed MST from their phones, which sucks.
Pay was a big reason I stuck with Samsung because I use it everywhere and most of the places I go to do not have NFC kiosks. I know it's not an issue outside of the US since I've heard many Europeans say that NFC is widely available but it's not for me, and I still use Samsung Pay over Google Pay even if there is NFC available.

Nice to see Samsung drop the prices, though. But they dropped the screen resolution and even though I don't normally watch things in 1440p, that's no reason to bump down the display to the days of the S4/S4.

Also, I learned that TMobile isn't the only carrier selling OnePlus phones. Every other carrier has them buried at the bottom of the list of Android devices and I think Verizon offers the phone for free, via bill credits, for 24 months.
 

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