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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
https://9to5google.com/2020/06/02/google-tv-dongle-leak/

What did the Chromecast run on up until this point? ChromeOS?

Looks like it'll be running on Android TV now. I know one worry of people who own TVs with Android TV is not being upgraded to the latest version of Android and eventually not being able to update apps because of the OS version minimum requirement. So is the original Chromecast from 2014 or so still being updated to run the latest versions of streaming apps?
 

THEV1LL4N

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https://9to5google.com/2020/06/02/google-tv-dongle-leak/

What did the Chromecast run on up until this point? ChromeOS?

Looks like it'll be running on Android TV now. I know one worry of people who own TVs with Android TV is not being upgraded to the latest version of Android and eventually not being able to update apps because of the OS version minimum requirement. So is the original Chromecast from 2014 or so still being updated to run the latest versions of streaming apps?
I believe it was a modified/simplified version of Chrome OS. I never really encountered any compatibility issues so I don't think updates or anything was ever an issue (I've never really kept an eye on the OS version to be fair). My only issue with it now is that it buffers with some video playback in Google Photos and some streaming services, but it's the original 2013 Chromecast running HD/4K recordings so of course you can't expect too much from it in that regard. If they price this new model right, then I may be getting it otherwise I will perhaps just stick with my Mi Box 3.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I don't know how modded GCam apks work but I use the latest one for the better Night Sight feature. I think many people do this, at least Samsung S10 owners, from what I've read on the S10 sub. Looks like Google updated it with a decent update today: https://www.xda-developers.com/google-camera-7-4-8x-zoom-pixel-4-xl-prepare-pixel-5/

That is probably a hardware thing so maybe it won't be something that other phones can use but it's still a big deal for Pixel users.

The Nexus line had its flaws and I'm sure some people back then wished Google would make its own hardware and operate like Apple, but I think that experiment has run long enough and it still has its flaws and complaints about Google executed the Pixel lineup. I kind of wish Google would go back to selecting a flagship from an OEM and making it a Nexus device with all the bells and whistles.

One of the glaring issues Android has always had was timely updates for non-Nexus/Pixel devices and that issue will always exist, no matter how hard Samsung or Moto or whoever pledges to increase the frequency of security updates and the duration of support for its flagship phones. But Google keeping some of the features Pixel-exclusive is a bit shitty.

I'm not saying make all features available to all OEMs that want it, but if Google is thinking keeping these features exclusive to the Pixel lineup is a way to sell more units, it clearly isn't working since Samsung outsells them in the US. I would think internationally, it's the Chinese brands like Huawei and Xiaomi.

But a Google still has leverage with its image processing algorithm, which everyone is clamoring for. Sure, Google has a big problem of diluting its reservoir of services, letting them remain stagnant, and then eventually ending support for them, and not before making another service or two that does the same thing, but one minute thing differently so it all gets so confusing. But whatever Google has made that has stuck around for a long time is really good and one of the best in the industry and for them to offer it only on Pixel devices cuts out the vast majority of users.

I just think they'd be better off offering it to anyone that wants it; leave it to the OEMs or even the user to decide if their phones can handle it or not and if it's worth using. The other alternative is to make the Pixel priced like the early Nexus lineup and have hardware that genuinely makes people want to leave giants like Samsung or the Chinese OEMs that are so popular in the Asia. But I think the former situation is more likely to happen than the latter.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Look, it's obvious what's happening here.

Even the smallest amount of research or knowledge about Apple can tell you that their end game is ecosystem lock in. People whose first Apple product is an iPhone are, in a significant amount of cases, also going to purchase an Apple Watch, AirPods, a MacBook and perhaps even a Mac desktop.

It's no coincidence that iPhone prices are coming down whilst Mac laptop/desktop prices are going through the roof. It's a classic upsell - cut the margins on the iPhone and increase them elsewhere.

There was a time when even the larger screen MacBook Pro could be had for £1300 or so. You could get a version with a higher processor for around £1500, and the Airs were £800-£900.

Now? Entry level 16" MBP is running at £2400 here. Upgraded CPU and bigger SSD, you're looking at £2800. iMac Pro and Mac Pro desktops are gonna run you at £4000+

I just started a new job, and they're giving me the new 16" MBP next week or so. Looking forward to putting it through it's paces.

What are your impressions of the 16" after about a month of use?
 

Casey

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It's a fucking tank, but I don't think it's quite worth what it costs. It's damn near a flawless machine as far as I can tell. Smooth as butter, fantastic display, great keyboard, great speakers. Can't fault it. I haven't travelled with it yet though due to lockdown, and it's a pretty big machine so I may need to invest in a sturdier backpack.

But if it were my money that I had to spend, I'd probably look at the new Dell XPS. I'm probably slightly biased in that I think Windows 10 is a better OS.

The new XPS 15 isn't out yet (the 13 is) but based on the 13's pricing, it seems the comparable 15 will probably run around £1800. That's compared to £2400 on the MBP I have, and the Dell will likely have a 4K screen at that configuration and a touch screen config, whereas the MBP is 3072x1920 with no touch option.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
It's a fucking tank, but I don't think it's quite worth what it costs. It's damn near a flawless machine as far as I can tell. Smooth as butter, fantastic display, great keyboard, great speakers. Can't fault it. I haven't travelled with it yet though due to lockdown, and it's a pretty big machine so I may need to invest in a sturdier backpack.

But if it were my money that I had to spend, I'd probably look at the new Dell XPS. I'm probably slightly biased in that I think Windows 10 is a better OS.

The new XPS 15 isn't out yet (the 13 is) but based on the 13's pricing, it seems the comparable 15 will probably run around £1800. That's compared to £2400 on the MBP I have, and the Dell will likely have a 4K screen at that configuration and a touch screen config, whereas the MBP is 3072x1920 with no touch option.
The Apple Tax is bad enough in the US, where it's probably the lowest "tax" compared to the rest of the world. I imagine it's an even larger premium to pay in the UK and only gets worse the further West you go in to Europe and until you hit Asian countries. For some reason, the premium doesn't look to be as high in India, where used Apple goods are about the same price as in the US.

So yeah, it's getting tougher to justify a brand new Mac especially since 2016, or so, when the base model 15" MBP went from $1800 to $2100 and was already expensive to begin with.

We have a few Windows notebooks at the clinic and most are touch screen and I typically don't run in to any issues with them. it's definitely convenient some times when the trackpad gets a bit tiring. Did MS do anything when designing Windows 8 or 10 that made it easier to use a touchscreen with Windows? Did they design either OS with touchscreens in mind? One reason Apple (either Jobs or Cook, some years back) said that Macs wouldn't get touchscreens was that OSX/macOS was not "optimized" for touch screens. So did MS just allow touch screen usage in Windows to be added, like slapping on a sticker, or did the OS have to be built with touchscreen usage in mind and be rebuilt from the ground up?

I think macOS is due for a big change soon and it has been rumored for a few years now that it would start to assimilate with iOS, or vice versa. Apple would have to start considering touch-support at that point.

Touch Bar seem gimmicky to you? If you're creating content, you might find it more useful than most other people do.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
What is with 2020 and TV makers crippling their 2020 models compared to the 2019 and earlier models?


A few weeks back, I saw an RTings video that reviewed the Q70/80/90T models, successors to the R-models, and RT said the R models were more comparable to the T-models one tier below. The 70T performed more like a 60R, 80T like a 70R, etc.

Then I saw the LG CX series was available for pre-order and there were some deals out for it and users were commenting that it was more of a downgrade compared to the C9.

"C9 48Gbps / CX 40Gbps
C9 12 bit / CX 10 Bit
C9 Full bandwidth on all HDMI ports / CX Full on ONE Hdmi port
C9 is brighter max whites than CX (this is important on OLED which is brightness challenged in general)
C9 has DTS / CX does not"
And we were just discussing how Samsung missed the boat on making TV OLEDs, but it looks like Samsung has something in the pipeline called "QD-OLED." https://www.cnet.com/news/how-samsungs-qd-oled-hybrid-could-take-on-lg-for-tv-supremacy/

And that they will be shutting down their LCD production. Which might explain why they let the T-model QLEDs go to hell for its final year of production. Well, that's assuming it's the final year of production and that Samsung releases the QD-LED next year.

But isn't it a bit late, since micro-LED is the next, hot, new thing due out in a few years?
 

ARon

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Any good smartwatches coming out this year? I'm leaning towards getting a Samsung Active 2 but if something else is coming out I can wait. I know some of the Chinese competitors like Oppo have some but I have no idea how they will perform.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Good for Apple. If they're doing this all out, billions of dollars and dozens of millions of engineering hours likely went into this over the last few years. Unless they are doing this half assed by releasing a minor ARM line, which I doubt and hope they're not.
I think I've read speculation that it will be for the Air lineup for the first few years. No way MBP users looking to upgrade to the 2021+ Pro would do so if not all their programs for work were compatible.

They tout the battery life gained from using ARM chips and I think the Air lineup would really use that to their advantage to get casual users to get it.

I imagine devs are working on moving their stuff over right now, if not months ago, so that it's ready to go once the ARM machines are finally unveiled.

I also read some people suggest that it may be worth getting an iPad Pro with Pencil and the Magic Keyboard instead of an Air since the pricing would be similar as would the performance. But that would become more clear once we get an idea of what the hardware will actually be. No way an iPad Pro or Air gets 15 hours of battery life, like the ARM Macs are rumored to be getting. Even if those Macs get 10 hours of battery life, it's still more than what most people get on their iPads, even the most casual of users.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
I don't think I've been aware of ads in Samsung apps because I don't think I use a single Samsung app, other than the Galaxy Store. And even then, I just wait for a notification telling me there are updates available in the Galaxy Store and I update directly using the notification.

But it looks like some users have been getting more and more ads in Samsung apps, as well as notificiations being sent to them via those apps for advertising purposes.

https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-one-ui-2-5-add-lockscreen-ads-problem/

I think Xiaomi has been criticized for injecting ads in to the OS menus and going a step further and having some very NSFW ads show up.

If Samsung truly is going this route, there aren't many options left in the Android realm and it would cement Apple and iOS as my next device. Apple's stance on privacy may not be perfect, but it has to be the best in industry right now, for mobile devices and computers. And I think advertising is a part of the privacy issues we talk about improving.
 

masta247

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I don't think I've been aware of ads in Samsung apps because I don't think I use a single Samsung app, other than the Galaxy Store. And even then, I just wait for a notification telling me there are updates available in the Galaxy Store and I update directly using the notification.
People were fearmongering about ads on lock screens since the S3. It was an absolutely ridiculous concept until I started hearing of Samsung actually putting ads in their apps on $1000 devices. I haven't actually seen one, but if I do.. I don't know, I kind of made up my mind to ditch Samsung at this point anyway, as they don't have any products that I'd be interested in. Seeing an ad in my music player would definitely be a violating experience that would just accelerate that and make me definitely not look back. Imagine launching your workout playlist at the gym only to see a fucking McDonalds commercial in the menus of your personal, really expensive device. Or chill with your Fit app to feel repressed by evil corporate overlords who have taken over the world and your life is now a depressing episode of Black Mirror, and I'm paying big money for the experience. It just feels absurd.

I'm kind of interested in this year's iPhone.. for the first time ever. Android is nothing like it used to be, and Samsung is becoming the opposite of what at some point made them so great.
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
People were fearmongering about ads on lock screens since the S3. It was an absolutely ridiculous concept until I started hearing of Samsung actually putting ads in their apps on $1000 devices. I haven't actually seen one, but if I do.. I don't know, I kind of made up my mind to ditch Samsung at this point anyway, as they don't have any products that I'd be interested in. Seeing an ad in my music player would definitely be a violating experience that would just accelerate that and make me definitely not look back. Imagine launching your workout playlist at the gym only to see a fucking McDonalds commercial in the menus of your personal, really expensive device. Or chill with your Fit app to feel repressed by evil corporate overlords who have taken over the world and your life is now a depressing episode of Black Mirror, and I'm paying big money for the experience. It just feels absurd.

I'm kind of interested in this year's iPhone.. for the first time ever. Android is nothing like it used to be, and Samsung is becoming the opposite of what at some point made them so great.

I wasn't aware the prospect of ads within the OS goes as far back as 2012 with the S3. When it comes to Samsung, I only started hearing about the appearance of ads within the past few weeks on the S10 subreddit where people had posted screenshots of them. I still don't see any on mine but I also use AdGuard system-wide for ad and tracker blocking so it's possible it's been zapping the ads for me. I've been using AG since my S7 days, so that's 4+ years of not noticing the ads, if they were present during my S7 days.

As for switching OSs or even just OEMs, I still don't have an issue with Samsung but, like you, if I saw ads, I'd feel violated and feel more like a pawn of Samsung's just getting their ads pushed on me. I know the essence of Android/Google is still collecting data and using it, which is worth far more than what they spend on their OS and services they give for "free." I'm set with my S10+ for the foreseeable future but once it's time to upgrade again, there better be better offerings from other non-Samsung/Google OEMs, otherwise that will be enough for me to switch from Android.

The more and more I use iOS daily, the more I'm growing accustomed to it and appreciating it more and more. The iPad is flawless and iPadOS/iOS has yet to give me issues. It would be quite a bit of change to use it on my phone, but I'll get over it. I am willing to give up being able to sideload APKs of modified apps in Android and just get superior hardware with software that can be restrictive at times. I'll even accept getting hardware features later than Android phones with an iPhone, if it means it works well all the time instead of just some of the time. I know the iPhone was late to the party with wireless charging, compared to Android flagships. And they're still lacking an iPhone with USB-C but Lightning still isn't all that bad and at least has some standards for quality and performance. I can live without those features if it means Apple gives me control over privacy settings, which goes beyond just ads and trackers. I think I read that despite Android having the option to deny permissions like location and contact access, apps were still able to circumvent those settings. The ability to deny permissions and feel secure thinking it was disabled was all just an illusion and only worked some of the time. That's just dumb.

Maybe another mobile OS will emerge; it's been 10+ years of Android and iOS. Surely someone new can come through and threaten to shake things up much like Android did to iOS. Privacy should be a big focus for any new, emerging OS but what tech company has the reputation and trust in regards to privacy to win consumers over to give them a shot?
 

THEV1LL4N

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People were fearmongering about ads on lock screens since the S3. It was an absolutely ridiculous concept until I started hearing of Samsung actually putting ads in their apps on $1000 devices. I haven't actually seen one, but if I do.. I don't know, I kind of made up my mind to ditch Samsung at this point anyway, as they don't have any products that I'd be interested in. Seeing an ad in my music player would definitely be a violating experience that would just accelerate that and make me definitely not look back. Imagine launching your workout playlist at the gym only to see a fucking McDonalds commercial in the menus of your personal, really expensive device. Or chill with your Fit app to feel repressed by evil corporate overlords who have taken over the world and your life is now a depressing episode of Black Mirror, and I'm paying big money for the experience. It just feels absurd.

I'm kind of interested in this year's iPhone.. for the first time ever. Android is nothing like it used to be, and Samsung is becoming the opposite of what at some point made them so great.
Enter Tizen OS
 

THEV1LL4N

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masta247

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Depends what you need. How is this?

https://www.gearbest.com/smart-watc...bYAZ6HLYCbwLLiNv4C2RGcOm_OHnNwURoC69MQAvD_BwE

The Xiaomi Mi Band 5 will be released soon as well. It's a fitness band but has many smartwatch features.
Xiaomi devices aren't really available in North America. Being in Canada you can't imagine how bummed out I am. Some of their smart devices are just too awesome, but this continent acts like they don't exist and you'd have to import from sketchy sources from the Chinese distribution and potential for knock-offs or software that's been tinkered with.

Back in Europe I had their routers, power banks, a robot vacuum (which just outright shits on the Roomba I have here), and I even bought my mom their Air purifier and recently the electric scooter, as they are hands down best in class, and the prices are frankly just hilarious for what they offer.
There's hardly any company that made products I was so consistently happy with, and it doesn't help for their competition that Xiaomi just obliterates them on value.

Besides, the Xiaomi store experience imho beats the Apple stores over here, except their products are also insanely cheap for what they sell and the service they provide. I remember when they ordered replacement filters for our air purifier for me from their factories, called me when they got them days later and asked whether I'd be picking them up or should they ship them over same day, then I ended up paying a whopping ~$6. That was when they were entering Europe, mind you, but I'm still hearing nothing but praises from my friends still. I'm not sure if I'd risk getting their devices through unofficial sources from the backwoods of China though.

Long rant, but I really miss Xiaomi, man! I miss having things that make me feel like I live in the future, and Xiaomi consistently delivers on those. In hindsight I can definitely see why the US might want companies like Xiaomi out, and they're still managing to keep them out to the peoples' detriment, because they make really cool stuff.
 
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masta247

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Xiaomi's design is also second to none imho:

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And having started the bezel-less revolution in 2016 with the MI MIX, I look forward to the world catching up to them in this regard. This is their $200, 2019 model:
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While this is their actual current flagship, admittedly a bit more of a cool concept than anything:


Except that you can buy it:
 
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dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
Xiaomi's design is also second to none imho:

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And having started the bezel-less revolution in 2016 with the MI MIX, I look forward to the world catching up to them in this regard. This is their $200, 2019 model:
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While this is their actual current flagship, admittedly a bit more of a cool concept than anything:


Except that you can buy it:
Yeah, I was researching air purifiers a few months back and saw some Xiaomi options on the internet but none of the review sites even mentioned them. Big name review sites, like Consumer Reports or even The Wirecutter, nor the smaller, random websites that were dedicated to air purifiers or HVAC reviews. I too figured it was because Xiaomi has near-0 presence in the US. Aside from the mention of their phones, the only other product I heard that had hype was Xiaomi's headphones, the cheap, wired earbuds in the Xiaomi Pistons. I bought one online from Amazon but I'm still not sure they were legit. They sounded fine but....it was Amazon....for a Chinese product. I had read that 1More was a brand that rebranded Xiaomi audio products, but I'm not sure on that either. 1More gets a lot of good reviews and I own their Triple Drivers and they sound great. But it's still not Xiaomi, by name, even if it is just Xiaomi rebranded like I've read from other places.
 

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