#Occupy Protests...

Pittsey

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#21
Again... The 1% are winning. I have read peoples opinions and seen a lot of people's feedback.... And it seems to be concentrated on the police force. The Police Force aren't the enemy. Who is instructing the Police Force. They are hard working people trying to keep their job and doing what they think is right. (For the most part)...

Those who are really to blame are in their ivory towers.



The same street artist who illustrated Obama's presidential campaign could help push another more important message.
 

Casey

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#24
The 1% are the elite. The 99% are protesting.

Winning = Power, control, money.
Oops. Totally got that wrong lol. I was thinking 1% as in the minority of people protesting whereas 99% of the world don't actually give a fuck lol.

But yeah, the power balance is still the same as it was before all this.
 

Da_Funk

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#27
Until a few years ago, I thought the power balance had shifted over the centuries and that we were living in a democracy. That's how history was taught at school.
Haha yeah right. I don't know why people waste their time fighting it. If you can't beat em, join em.
 

Da_Funk

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#32
Its sad really.

When I was a teenager I used to care about social injustices and actually believe I was going to make a difference. Now as long as I'm getting mine I just don't care.
 

Pittsey

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#33
^^^

I care more now. When I was younger all I cared about was money. Now I am becoming more politically and socially aware.
 

S O F I

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#36
The problem with saying that the top 1% pay 50% of the taxes in California is that while they may pay more in absolute terms, they don't pay more in terms of percentage of income.

If I make 100 dollars in a month and pay 50 dollars in taxes and you make 1000 in a month and pay a 100, I'm paying more as percentage of income. I'm the one getting more fucked than you even though you paid 50 more dollars. I stopped listening to his dumb ass rant as soon as he quoted that statistic. It's the same-old glenn beck conservative bullshit.
 

The.Menace

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#37
The Occupy Protests have a good heart.. but no brain. D: They really need a leader b/c right now they're making a lot of noise but are only loosely affiliated to each other by a similar name and a few similar goals.. I heard the OWS group is London is also protesting Scientology? That may not be accurate, but you know.. if it is.. wtf? lol And the group in Oakland is also protesting police brutality? There's too much going on. As much as they may despise Capitalism, they need to run this more like a business and less like a group of angry college kids to get anything done. I'd love to see them set up some solid ideas and try to get a new political party started. They certainly have enough support for the signatures they'd need and if each person protesting gave a dollar.. they could raise enough money as well. But, I'm worried they're going to run out of steam and significance without having accomplished anything because their goals are too vague and broad
No, the first goal of a protest is to get the msg out. Of course you could claim that the should start a party etc, but then again. we do have a gov, we do have 'leaders', we have all these institutions. SO The primary goal as I see it is to tell them that WE as people expect them to do something about the system. So basically they air their opinion and that a good thing.
Of course, if the establishment doesn't listen and doesn't change anything, it might be a possibility to get more organized but again, I don't think you should critize the people right now for not going all the way. Maybe we go there, but just aren't there yet. For the moment, I think we should enjoy that people actually try to do something - instead of watching TV, that's a plus.
Of course the movement would be better organied if there was a 'leader', but that's not how this form of protest works. Even though it might be huard to understand for you, the fact that ecerybody is equal in this movement is what makes it attractiv for people to join. No obligations, no fear, you protest as long and as loud as you want to and can. Also, the other side would love to have someone they can put a target on his or her back, it's easier to corrupt or silence the movement that way. That's also why the gov has no idea how to handle this....because it's just 'the people' ... so even though of course, not to have a structure hurts the movement at times, you gotta also understand it is its strength. And give it a lil time, if it grows and keeps going, maybe a structure is developed but for now it's good the way it is. It'd be just nice for the politicans (that actually should represent the people) to react. I doubt they will. And yes I fear that at some point peaceful protest could turn into something ugly, which nobody can be intersted - even though, as Sofi mentioned, maybe is sometimes needed in history.
Anyway, a friend of mine is occupying my city for a couple of weeks and it's damn cold out there, you gotta respect it....
 

The.Menace

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#38
Oh and I totally forgot, Sofi is of course right when he says "The problem with saying that the top 1% pay 50% of the taxes in California is that while they may pay more in absolute terms, they don't pay more in terms of percentage of income." ..... of course you can only take money from people that actually earns it. A homeless guy doesn't pay taxes, what a surprise. So if we are all egoistic, of course we can say that dude isn't paying taxes so why should I? But well, the system won't work this way.
 

Pittsey

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#39
But.... That isn't right it's bullshit.... I can't talk on Cali... But....

In England the 1% pay fuck all in taxes. They exploit every loop hole going, because they have money to spend on super smart accountants to do this for them. They pay fuck all income tax, they pay fuck all inheritance tax, they pay fuck all capital gains and they pay fuck all stamp duty.... It's the middle classes that pay most of the taxes, not the 1%. Anyone here who aspires to be rich, and relates to the 1%, and considers themselves capitalists is delusional. YOU WILL NEVER BE PART OF THE 1%. It's an impossible dream. One usually only achieved by being born into the family. People like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs are in a severe minority.

By all means be a part of the system. You have no choice. Study hard, earn as much as you can. But don't be brainwashed by consumerism. Rappers are the worst of the lot. Instead of putting their money into worthwhile causes and helping others get out of poverty, they buy watches and cars. Just what the 1% want you to do. What use is a shiny watch - None. And they inspire the youth to want the same.... It's another tool to keep you in your place and keep the order.

I know I sound crazy, feel free to challenge my opinions.... :)
 

The.Menace

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#40
True the middle class pays most taxes and because the middle class gets reduced and reduced we have problems. But still, in terms of fairness, you gotta also talk about the 1%. Anyway, we talk about persons, if we discuss taxes, we have to discuss taxes for cooperations. Because they really earn money but at times pay lil compared to people (like the middle class) that can not escape. Of course you gotta be careful (jobs) but still. Something isn't right if a bank doesn't pay any taxes, while making millions. Something isn't right if a cooperation (apple) holds more cash(!) than the US treasury. They deserve to be successful, but we have a problem with politics and democracy actually (lobbiest), if the industry in general gets as powerful. Of course, the 1% are the ones that hold the most stock and own the most in general, so that's we come all the way back. But some things have to change, it would be better for everybody. (e.g if most people are so poor that they can't buy shit not more, it's bad for everybody, that's how our current system works)
 

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