Technology Apple

Casey

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#42
Actually, Acer's Honeycomb tablet is one of the best tablets on the market. The Iconia 500. I know someone who has one. Also, their laptop/notebook line of computers is one of the best around, since the past 12 months. They stepped up their game to a remarkable level in a short period of time. Both their notebooks and netbooks are now among the best devices in their respective price ranges.
 

masta247

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#46

Casey

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#48
The reason that Apple are struggling and their market share is dropping like flies is because we live increasingly in a 24/7 web connected world. Chrome OS may be a little premature for most people, but it's not hard to see that's the future.

That means Apple relies on Google for many things - Search. Maps. YouTube. Gmail. Social Networks (Google+ for iOS is already the most downloaded free application on iTunes).

Google doesn't rely on Apple for anything.

All my pictures are kept on Picasa, all my files on GDocs, all my music on Google Music. I barely even have any local files on my laptop. I don't even have Office installed.

Search is the most important thing though, obviously, and Google aren't losing their market leader position any time soon. Through analysing search queries, that's the closest thing we have as humans to predicting the future. Google knows what people want. They know what people like and don't like.

When my cousin from London visited the Googleplex where another cousin works, in Mountain View, he spoke of huge screens displaying thousands of real time search results as they happened and it was like looking into the Matrix or something like that, lol. That shit is so dope.
 

Pittsey

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#49
Apple are working very hard on Cloud based options too, though. And they are still trendy as fuck to your average joe.

You have to admit the imac and the macbook air are very handsome.
 

Casey

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#50
Apple are working very hard on Cloud based options too, though. And they are still trendy as fuck to your average joe.

You have to admit the imac and the macbook air are very handsome.
Google have at least a 5, if not more, year headstart. Nobody will use any Apple cloud services, come on now. Not even hardcore Apple stans I know use them let alone your average Joe. Both Microsoft and Apple are pouring hundreds of millions into trying to develop cloud options and are both failing, hard.

And yeah, the Macbook Air is nice, Sony have a VAIO model that's even thinner though, and Win 7 > OSX Lion, so....
 

S O F I

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#52
The reason that Apple are struggling
lmao.

Apple is murdering shit right now. The last Apple-related post on Gizmodo was whether Apple will surpass Exxon Mobil as the most valuable company in the world.

1. Stock price close to $400. Never been higher than 400.
2. Last quarter, Apple had RECORD quarter earnings.

When your stock is falling and you're slashing employees (ie. RIM), that's struggling. AAPL is anything but struggling.
 

Casey

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#53
lmao.

Apple is murdering shit right now. The last Apple-related post on Gizmodo was whether Apple will surpass Exxon Mobil as the most valuable company in the world.

1. Stock price close to $400. Never been higher than 400.
2. Last quarter, Apple had RECORD quarter earnings.

When your stock is falling and you're slashing employees (ie. RIM), that's struggling. AAPL is anything but struggling.
Yes, but that's short-term and mostly based on the fact that they charge far more for their products, so even when selling less they make more profit. They have no long term solutions and are rapidly losing market share to Android, which you know. Also, the vast majority of their stockpile of money came from their monopolization of the MP3 player market, which is also a rapidly dwindling business as phones become better MP3 players (same reason Flip killed their video camera business). They made a lot of money very fast between 2007-2010 thanks to the success of the iPhone but particularly in the end of 2010 and so far in 2011 they are getting decimated by Android, hence all the lawsuits they are going on as of late. Steve Jobs is also in poor health and the board are already looking for his successor, which doesn't bode well since he's basically operated like a dictator.

They are struggling to innovate. That's what I meant, I felt it was fairly obvious.
 

Casey

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#54

masta247

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#55
Well, people barely use Apple or Microsoft services. Even fanboys. Honestly, these companies suck that much at introducing new services and there are companies known for introducing good services and Google is the one leading the pack at the moment, by a very huge margin.
I also doubt that Apple cloud services will go popular just like upcoming Samsung cloud services. There is a chance but.. I really doubt it.
 

Pittsey

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#56

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#57
35% of US consumers would buy the next iPhone without even seeing it or it being unveiled. Call it fanboyism. I call it "the brand has made its name well known amongst the public."

Why are we talking Apple "failure" here? Isn't there a circlejerk going on in the Android thread?
 

masta247

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#58
Apple are successful in their own way, there's no denying that. I agree with Casey that they are late at everything and they are struggling to innovate, and it'll be bad once Jobs leaves Apple. Even lately all they're doing is copying other companies - all new IOS features were actually 'imported' ideas (mainly from Android), new MacOS is older MacOS + 'imported' ideas (mainly from Windows 7) and then market it as the best (here as "World's most innovative and advanced operating system").
It's actually pretty funny to watch that they are releasing outdated hardware, they are late with software solutions which aren't the best and still they sell. They are appealing to the average noob, that's an achievement for a technology company and that's their success.
 

Pittsey

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#59
35% of US consumers would buy the next iPhone without even seeing it or it being unveiled. Call it fanboyism. I call it "the brand has made its name well known amongst the public."

Why are we talking Apple "failure" here? Isn't there a circlejerk going on in the Android thread?
That is fanboyism at it's finest.

I don't think Apple are failing. They are massively successful. It's teh fanboys I hate.
 

dilla

Trumpfan17 aka Coonie aka Dilla aka Tennis Dog
#60
How do they struggle to innovate? And innovate what? Are we talking design? Because I hadn't seen a phone quit like the iPhone when it was first released. Was Android second to Apple to release a product? By a year? And why do most Android phones now have touchscreens but no buttons, kinda like the iPhone did? I'm not saying Apple invented touch screens, but they certainly were the first popular mobile phone on the market that had a touchscreen, instead of hard keys like the Moto Q and all those other smartphones at that time.

Did you read that Jobs actually had the iPad designed before the iPod Touch/iPhone? He just thought no one would buy it at that time so he made it a phone?

What about when the iPad was released? Sure, we can even assume there was an Android tablet developed before that announcement was made by Jobs. But who stuck their ass out on the line and announced the "iPad," a tablet? Remember people laughed at Jobs and Apple, that it was just a "steam-rolled iPhone" and that it would not sell and it was a niche product? What about now?

I never anyone go "hey, I'm entering myself in this contest to win a brand new Motorola XOOM!!!!" No one says that. I don't think anyone that doesn't keep up with this shit even knows it exists. But they know the iPad. The commercials, the publicity from other Apple users, and widespread adoption by business (of iOS, in general, really) have made Apple such a big name in the tech world.

Don't try and detract from it and say "oh, the fanboys do this and that." It's a company. How else do they make money? Release everything "second" or after someone else has? That's what Android has been so far. Using Apple products as feelers for what the market wants and needs, Android comes up with something over a year later to compete. Then numbers like "a million bazillion percent growth for Android!!" get thrown around. Sure. If you have five users and all of a sudden a company decides to use Android and buys 2000 phones for its employees, of course there's going to be astronomical growth. Keep in mind, Apple and its iPhone reached this success in the US using just one carrier. Only recently did it switch to a second one, and that also was just the same phone, almost a year later. When the two year contracts of people on VZW and AT&T are up and the new iPhone comes out, use those numbers.

In terms of computing, wasn't Apple the first to mass-distribute the Sandy Bridge chipset in the MacBook Pros of this February or March? Sure, that same hardware will remain the same until next February or so when they refresh again, but at one point, it was the best hardware, even for the shortest time. So where is the selling of shitty hardware? It's a genuine question, I have no stance on (save or the Sandy ridge example) and would like to learn more.

One last thing I want to point out is while Apple may not invent or create the technology they are boasting about, they certainly spoon-feed the consumer on how they can use it in the real world, and that's what gets people on board. Simply releasing NFC technology into a phone and having others figure it out is not the way to do it. That's what the businesses need to do, employ the technology and be innovative with it and tell their customers "Hey! If your phone has this, you can do this!" Why do customers have to sit there, learn the technology, imagine how it can be used and then wait for the day, wishing companies would employ it?
Apple straight up says, "if you like this, you can use our product for this, and this. And when you want to do this, just simply press this button...and bam..this happens."

What's wrong with that? Some people don't have the time to set up a complex network to get something to work wirelessly. Or they don't know how to, or simply don't want to. So we just penalize them and say they're "stupid" and then generalize all Apple users as such? Seems a bit unfair.

I'm no Apple fanboy, but I love Apple products as well as other products. Some people here are fanboys, and what isn't "this" is simply not good. End of story. It doesn't work that way. Not everyone needs a dual-SLI computer to Minecraft on high settings. Some people pay for the looks and design of the product, and in most cases, Apple wins that category, hands down. That's a huge reason they sell. What happens in the background of stealing technologies and patents and this and that, is not important to us as consumers. Companies don't get to be this big without some shady, funny business.
 

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