WikiLeaks and Julian Assange

S O F I

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#1
Anyone following the political backlash following the most recent WikiLeaks cables? I'm not talking about what the governments are saying, I'm talking about the governmental influence on private companies that are doing/did business with WikiLeaks.

1. Amazon kicks WikiLeaks off of its cloud-based servers.
2. PayPal stops donations.
3. A Swiss Bank freezes an account belonging to WikiLeaks.
4. Visa and Mastercard sever support for WikiLeaks by making WikiLeaks unable to accept or make payments using the cards.

Those four points infuriate me. Did those companies find legit, legal grounds to make life for the WikiLeaks organization a living hell? Perhaps. Did they do that because of the legal grounds or because the US Gov't and others forced them to?

That's what pisses me off.

I guess we can have the debate in two ways. One question is whether you agree with what Julian Assange and the organization are doing as far as leaking state secrets and the other question being what are your thoughts on the four numbered points above.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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#2
The behaviour from paypal, Visa and Mastercard makes me want to give a monetary donation. Where as before, I did not.

However, he's getting prosecuted for sexual assault now, so he may need more funds for his defence.

It's very much becoming a mainstream Hollywood conspiracy theory screenplay.
 

MaroC

capt'n fruity
#3
However, he's getting prosecuted for sexual assault now, so he may need more funds for his defence.
I've heard that the condom malfunctioned during sex. If anything the Swedish prosecuters should be taking Durex to court.

On the other hand. This wikileaks thing shows how Americans are able to control life in Europe. From fake sex accusations to the freezing of bank accounts. The Swedish, the English, Interpol, private organizations like Mastercard, Amazon...All in control of the evil Americans
 

EDouble

Will suck off black men for a dime
#4
Classified shit is classified for a reason good and bad and I dont support rats especially rats who endanger innocent lives

you have to know who your fuckin with the Assange instead of trying to get political can be eliminated any minute
 

masta247

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#5
It also really struck me. Looks like they'd rather not risk "fucking with the US Government".

So who thinks that he was set up? He mentioned being threatened with sexual assault charges long before.

After all it was a huge hit for the US government and their position as a serious player in world politics. Also, it might mean that there's more to leak and they're doing literally everything they can to stop them. Prosecuting him would be an example for others, that even if they don't break the law they will be fucked.
While it's a bit paranoid to assume that Julian is being set up actually it seems pretty likely to me. Especially after DDOS attacks and hacking attempts.

It's almost as if the American government think that they can do anything - including censoring the internet. I was extremely shocked about these DDOS attacks. It's acting above the law.
Poland, which was the closest partner of America in central-eastern Europe was pretty much shocked by these leaks and I assume that it'll have enormous impact on our relations. These leaks are still all over the news.
 

Pittsey

Knock, Knock...
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#6
I've heard that the condom malfunctioned during sex. If anything the Swedish prosecuters should be taking Durex to court.

On the other hand. This wikileaks thing shows how Americans are able to control life in Europe. From fake sex accusations to the freezing of bank accounts. The Swedish, the English, Interpol, private organizations like Mastercard, Amazon...All in control of the evil Americans

I know. I think we should replace America with the Taliban and live a peaceful life.

Viva La Revolution.




Classified shit is classified for a reason good and bad and I dont support rats especially rats who endanger innocent lives

you have to know who your fuckin with the Assange instead of trying to get political can be eliminated any minute

How do you classify him as a rat?
 

Flipmo

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#7
Julian has a rep for being a womanizer, which obviously isn't a crime. If it was, Pittsey would have received consecutive life sentences... :p Now, for the sexual assault charges, there is something weird about it, the case has been pending for quite some time, I believe. In addition, it looked like the case was working in his favour; that the sex was consensual... but it did a complete 180 and now he's pretty much heading to prison.

I wouldn't be surprised if the American government had a hand in this, just as they do with trying to remove all methods of donation. There's one that they can't stop, good old stamped mail. lol. Well, they can stop it, but if they did, it would probably start a real shit storm.
 

ill-matic

Well-Known Member
#9
i dont think what he's doing is any different from when a media outlet publishes some form of information from a secret source. would it be any different if The Guardian or The New York Times received some information like this (not at such a magnitude though) and then published it? don't they already do that? isn't this how media functions? gets their stories, news pieces etc?

they're punishing a dude who's essentially done nothing wrong from a legal standpoint. the info shows how shady and deceptive all these fucking diplomats are. shit is disgusting.
 

Casey

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Staff member
#10
It's not the US government that Assange really needs to be worried about. It's the Kremlin - because he supposedly has information on them that's going to be published.

Those dudes do not fuck around, they will have him taken out.
 

ill-matic

Well-Known Member
#11
there's no docs from the kremlin directly. it's just cables originating from the US.. so it would prob just be opinions on russian figureheads and how they do their business
 

Preach

Well-Known Member
#12
I find the fact that all this stuff is happening is good for children or ignoramuses, but nothing from the whole WikiLeaks/Assange saga we've been watching the past year has been shocking. Every "secret" that has been revealed merely confirmed what I had already accepted as truth anyway. The fact that none of these leaks cause people to take any real action, to me, shows that we are not made to be righteous or honorable.

I was thinking about the situation with the woman in Iran, who was accused of murdering her ex-mans new lover (or some kind of similar drama). She had alledgedly admitted the crime, but later on changed her story, saying she was forced to plead guilty. She was then hung in the past few weeks. When the story came up it made a lot of noise. I guess a lot of people, like me, were questioning the legal procedures in a country "like" Iran. Maybe the bitch was guilty all along, but my heart was rooting for her to be aquitted and make it. Iirc, initially the punishment was supposed to be stoning, but was then changed to hanging due to world opinion putting pressure on them. Maybe I am making that last bit up.

So what I then remember happened was, a bunch of human rights activists were crying for action from western nations, and "everybody" was on a trip about it. Nothing happened to improve her situation, no one did anything, and she was eventually hung. Let's assume she was innocent. The whole world put on a show for ourselves so we could ease our conscience and accept the fact that a potentially innocent woman was killed by her own people and country, and I'm trying to figure out why, and what comes to me is what I know about humans and compassion and a desire to do good, coupled with what I know about humans, sense of ownership and ego. We ease our conscience because we take collective responsibility. We feel the responsibility, we just don't feel any encouragement to do anything about anything that doesn't benefit us.

We don't need Wikileaks' reveals to tell us how the world works, we can all see the surface and most of us are able to see underneath it as well. My point with all this is, that this is why I find the persecution of Assange and Wikileaks to be so weird. Assange is being arrested, and they are attempting to stop Wikileaks, so they can continue their endorsed lying. We teach our children that lying is bad, we teach our children all these values so they can grow up and imprison people who try to honor those values, so that we can secretly keep breaking the values our forefathers taught us? It makes no sense whatsoever. I hate the world and politics, and people.

That was mostly in respect to the whole situation. I don't have many thoughts on the rape persecution other than it seems very, very convenient. Just the timing and everything. The sexual assault case is old. Yet suddenly Interpol wants him for questioning. O rly. I always believed Pac was set up, and I believe Assange was setup too.

With respects to the four points, I am infuriated by them, but again, it doesn't surprise me one last bit. And that fact; the fact it doesn't surprise me, is what actually surprises me about all this. How mundane and trivial these reveals feel when they hit me. I believe government, church and business should be three ventures, not one. I am a bit of a democratic socialist. I like the idea of a governing body but not at the expense of freedom. I very much disagreed with the what-do-you-call-it that Bush put into place, where the US can track their citizen on the internet and spy on them without warrants. It had a fancy name. The fact that he US government controls my credit company is crazy to me because I am not American.

Daring suggestion: The world will be a better place when the US, Russia and China all experience civil wars that split them into smaller bodies. I didn't choose where I was born, but I do happen to like my area and would defend it. That has nothing to do with Norway and everything to do with my life and my emotions. When six hundred billion people happen to be born in the same country, they don't fight for that country because they actually love the country, or if they do their government has done a fine job subtly brainwashing them. People fight for the people they love and the ideas they treasure, and if that's a nation, than from an objective point of observation, that seems totally random that someone were born in a country and happens to be willing to die for that country. Another part of it is, if you think about it, how random it is who becomes President in the US. We can count the amount of presidents you had the past 200 years, but god knows how many people have lived and died, so really, the chances of becoming someone who has a say in the US' affairs are so small that that, too, seems like a lottery. Coupling these two things, I can't help but think that the US is like the kid in school who really is a loser, but who had the coolest toys, so everyone pretended to be his friend until toys no longer mattered. Why should one country have such a large landmass that you become the most powerful "by default". Why isn't that country spread into several smaller countries, for no other reason than to not give erronous human beings more power than they can handle, which is what is happening now?
 

Sebastian

Well-Known Member
#14
I just read an article about the current situation.

Needless to say its a pathetic behaviour by PayPal and Co. In my opinion, they deserve these kind of attacks they got in the last days by 4Chan or whoever it was.

The accusation against Assange seem to be bogus too.
 

ArtsyGirl

Well-Known Member
#15
Firstly, I'm all for releasing stuff that shows wrong doings as far as on a humanitarian stand-point. I think that shit needs to be uncovered so people can be held accountable. But as far as releasing what one diplomat thinks of another countries leader or chit chat like that I don't see the point, other than to cause even more mistrust between enemies which as we know can lead to war. It causes tension and I really don't see the point in it other than that.

As far as PayPal, Mastercard and Co. I'm not surprised. I mean if WikiLeaks and Assange didn't expect that going into this then they are naive. But by the looks of that bunker I would guess they got plenty of "donations" to keep them going..
 

The.Menace

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Staff member
#16
Yeah, the accusations seem to be fantasy afer the timeing they been brought up and the sidestory to it. Seriously, I don't think a "normal" rapeist get's hunted all over Europe. And we talk about ....not using a condom here? International arrest warrant? Seriously? ....looks like a set up.

about leaking informations. I can't accept that 'he puts lifes in danger' excuse. Because you can only buy into that if you TRUST the gov. And seriously, you better don't. They told us there are WMD in Iraq, we never found them. They told us we had to go to war, it looks different 10 years later. Osama and his folks were supposed to be in Iraq, which was wrong an a lie. And we can go back further, they told us we had to go to Vietnam cause these bad communists would puts life in danger. We know what happend, plus - Nam is still communist since then. I don't think it did hurt anybody in the west. ... etc etc.... Still remember the high terror alert when ever Bush needed a boost? ...

So it's easy to take their point in blind US love, but you gotta ask yourself - do you trust them? For real? I don't. they lied to us so many times behind that 'national security' phrase, sorry, it's hard to believe in your words, even if I'd try really really hard.

Also, let's go back to where wiki leaks kinda started. IT was that video of US soldiers killing innocent people and two journalists. It showed the truth, what's wrong. And I think it's important for the people to know. To hide stories like this behind a big curtain written 'national security' over it won't do it. Str8 up wrong things have to stop and therefore it's more than ok to broadcast them. Because that's the only thing people in those positions fear. .... so yeah, in my opinion it would be just too easy to swollow their point once again and trust the gov to 'clean things up'. Politics only changed through pressure, over all these years. Remember the cold war? It stopped cause of economical pressure after all. I don't think the leading heads would have changed their opinion if everything went well.
 

_carmi

me, myself & us
#18
I dunno about you guys, but in Quebec every day journalists are on the hunt for political scandals and corruption. It annoys me a bit because who honestly thinks all politicians play nice and fair?

I'm not surprised by what has been released. And Assange said that even if he is put in jail Wikileaks will keep releasing cables. We live in a screwed up world dominated by manipulative politicians. And somewhere along that line I don't particularly care. But I support WikiLeaks, even more since the governments are doing everything in their power to avoid the discoveries of their dirty secrets. Some people are saying this is launching a cyberwar and a lot of websites (such as Visa's Mastercard's, etc.) have been attacked by hackers. WikiLeaks was also attacked by hackers. I am definitely following up on this story, I find it rather interesting.

Ps I think the sexual assault charges are BS.
 

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