Who Believes The (72 Virgins In Paradise ?)
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The answer, like he said in his original post, is that in paradise, time and age are concepts unheard of. What you are trying to do right now, only people who dropped out of elementary school will be like "haha yeah he's right, good one".
You guys focus so much on the word "virgin", which in a sense is a bit retarded. I don't know if you are being provocative or if you actually have that short of an attention span, so I'll take it upon myself to point out that the word "virgin" has a symbolical meaning, and that interpreting it in this context takes more than a few brain cells. When Muslims use the English word "virgin", they relate to the Bible and virgin Mary. Because words in Hebrew are difficult to translate, you are not to look at the literal meaning of it, rather the spiritual meaning. "The moral of the story". It is about purity, not about having a membrane in your pussy that hasn't been physically penetrated. That is what a virgin is to you, but a virgin is something more when speaking in religious terms. It's pretty incredible that some people fail to understand this difference, or blatantly neglect it in your desire to spread negativity.
Also, the fact that n i g g e r jokes are being censored but these kind of racist jokes are being allowed, and the fact that even in WoW, every Muslim related thread has a few Our Blockers with some very un-clever and unfunny jokes in the typical caliber of "Oh, vegetarian discussion? I'll post the recipe to a meat dish. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH". It's destroying the discussion forum imo, I'm not having any more fun here because the opinions are being dumbed down and no one takes the time to present interesting arguments anymore. People just agree with shit they read other places these days.
I'll start posting n i g g e r jokes till it gets me banned or till Muslim jokes are treated the same way, even though I'm not black, not muslim, not from the Middle East, Africa, America or Puerto Rico. I'm gonna be rebellious and I don't care if it means you won't like me anymore. After all, the word is just a word. And black people in Africa do terrible things like rape "pure" babies to cure AIDS and cut off women's breasts so they can't feed their newborn. I can't call them "n i g g e r" because it's insensitive, but those animals in the middle east are a bunch of pedophiles and savages. I lol hard again. I don't think it's right, I'm not gonna follow those rules, they are hypocritical and evil.
edit: im generalizing. shout out to flipmo, sofi and joker (and others) for still posting smart stuff
You guys focus so much on the word "virgin", which in a sense is a bit retarded. I don't know if you are being provocative or if you actually have that short of an attention span, so I'll take it upon myself to point out that the word "virgin" has a symbolical meaning, and that interpreting it in this context takes more than a few brain cells. When Muslims use the English word "virgin", they relate to the Bible and virgin Mary. Because words in Hebrew are difficult to translate, you are not to look at the literal meaning of it, rather the spiritual meaning. "The moral of the story". It is about purity, not about having a membrane in your pussy that hasn't been physically penetrated. That is what a virgin is to you, but a virgin is something more when speaking in religious terms. It's pretty incredible that some people fail to understand this difference, or blatantly neglect it in your desire to spread negativity.
Also, the fact that n i g g e r jokes are being censored but these kind of racist jokes are being allowed, and the fact that even in WoW, every Muslim related thread has a few Our Blockers with some very un-clever and unfunny jokes in the typical caliber of "Oh, vegetarian discussion? I'll post the recipe to a meat dish. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH". It's destroying the discussion forum imo, I'm not having any more fun here because the opinions are being dumbed down and no one takes the time to present interesting arguments anymore. People just agree with shit they read other places these days.
I'll start posting n i g g e r jokes till it gets me banned or till Muslim jokes are treated the same way, even though I'm not black, not muslim, not from the Middle East, Africa, America or Puerto Rico. I'm gonna be rebellious and I don't care if it means you won't like me anymore. After all, the word is just a word. And black people in Africa do terrible things like rape "pure" babies to cure AIDS and cut off women's breasts so they can't feed their newborn. I can't call them "n i g g e r" because it's insensitive, but those animals in the middle east are a bunch of pedophiles and savages. I lol hard again. I don't think it's right, I'm not gonna follow those rules, they are hypocritical and evil.
edit: im generalizing. shout out to flipmo, sofi and joker (and others) for still posting smart stuff
Ive fucked enough virgins in my life to know that when it comes to sex, they suck, actually, they dont know how to suck, but you get what I mean.
If it's purely for sexual gratification I'd rather 72 sexy ass sluts (STD tested of course, but Im assuming there are no STDs in heaven) over 72 little girls who dont know what the fuck they're doing.
It is after all, "a lady in the street and a freak in the bed," not "a lady in the street and a frigid virgin in the doll covered bed."
If it's purely for sexual gratification I'd rather 72 sexy ass sluts (STD tested of course, but Im assuming there are no STDs in heaven) over 72 little girls who dont know what the fuck they're doing.
It is after all, "a lady in the street and a freak in the bed," not "a lady in the street and a frigid virgin in the doll covered bed."
N i g g e r is a racial slur. No one here is calling Muslims 7-11, sand n i g g e r, sand rat, towel head, dirty knees, Ewoks, head bangers, mosquitos, mozzies, muzzie, etc etc. We commented on the acts, not the whole race, and we're not using racial slurs that have centuries of stigma and meanings attached to it.
If you want to call African men who rape babies pedophiles, or savages, or Neanderthals, or fucking retards, which they are, go for it.
You're comparing apples and oranges Preach, and I know you're smarter than that.
Nice post. I don't agree with all of it. But spot on with the translations aspect.
The problem is though that there are many corrupt Imam's who do preach the word virgin as we all understand it these days. And a lot religious followers with less education take it literal. The whole Qu'ran and Bible are preached in their literal form and people believe that is the pure way to live their lives. Several people have come into this thread saying they prefer virgins and have no doubt had those very teachings.
Most people in the western world however aren't so uptight about sex, and practice safe sex quite often. Those who prefer virgins are from cultures 100's of years behind ours, and will one day catch up. Most of them live in the western world because they like the freedoms and luxuries that we can give them.
Again the African rape of babies is an education problem. Witch Doctors, whom aer held in high esteem are teaching the uneducated that the rape of a virgin will cure aids.
Anyone with any sort of fascination with virgins has sexual inadequacy issues, stemming from the perception that a virgin would not know the difference between what is good and bad.
Pointless.
Regarding Jurhum's retarded car comparison, I'd say it's more like, who would you want making you a meal, a gourmet chef, or someone that never made a meal before?
Pointless.
Regarding Jurhum's retarded car comparison, I'd say it's more like, who would you want making you a meal, a gourmet chef, or someone that never made a meal before?
I get that you are responding to the thing Jurhum said, but on a general note (if you disregard what he said) I still feel like I can see, from the words you choose to describe your point, that you just don't grasp it. You don't see the same mental imagery as I do.
So, as a thought experiment, much like if you were to imagine that there was a fourth dimension, and then try to imagine what it would be like to be able to see this dimension together with the already known 3. Use that kind of mind set to imagine that the virgins given to muslims in paradise are soulless servants made by the almighty in a world where time and age does not exist. You are focusing on your verbal interpretation of the word "virgin", not the overall message. Let's change the word "virgin" with "woman". That's essentially what they are. The thing you're getting is better than you can imagine, so you can't imagine what it is. You can't type it in words. It certainly is not the kind of "virgin" you imagine. It has nothing to do with not having had a penis penetrate the membrane before. That is not the paradise-definition of a virgin. It is someone who is untouched by any man and even Allah. Someone pure created for you.
If you look into the significance of virginity, and more specifically, if you look into why a virgin is desirable in anyway, you might be surprised. The overall problem here is you don't seem to be thinking about how humans work, but how we're also different. To you, a virgin is someone who hasn't had sex before. You don't care if your girlfriend haven't had sex before. Why? Because you've had sex before. It'd be hypocritical and unrealistic to try and find a mate who hadn't. And you prefer it, because it makes them experienced. From this point of view it is very obvious to me that you don't consider sex something spiritual. It may be special to you if you love the girl, but you could also just have sex just to have sex. Am I right? This is what most people think like. Imagine that you were taught from childhood that a woman who isn't a virgin will not be as good for you as one who is. Imagine that it has to do with emotion. The way you feel if your girlfriend cheated on you, that's the way a muslim would feel if it turns out his virgin wife wasn't a virgin afterall. From this emotional reaction it makes a lot more sense why they would desire a virgin. You think it's about the cherry and popping it, that's what you associate with the word "virgin", and to you it's nothing special, and there are emotional reasons for that. If you look at your experiences in life they probably also come into the picture.
Now try and understand that if you exchange all your experiences in your life with other experiences, you would not be the same person. You didn't grow up in the Middle East. Your understanding of how they feel can at best only be theoretic. Therefore you can never fully understand. Knowing this, it is my opinion that having strong and semi-racist opinions like "Muhammad is a pedophile" are pointless. You achieve nothing long term. You don't make them thing "oh, he's right, I'm a pedophile, I should stop what I'm doing". Why do you have to define him as a pedophile? What does it change in your life? Does it provide you with the answer that "yes muslims are inhumane" so you can justify your hatred for them? What is the goal of that exclamation? And futherer, of making fun of paradise and overly focusing on the virgin part, the very thing this thread was supposed to educate you from doing. What will happen after you say "Muhammad is a pedophile"? Does it give you closure? Do you want a response from Muslims? What do you want that response to be? Did you even think this far before you opened your mouth? Maybe next time you should? I'm not saying you're a bad person, but do you 100% disagree with this or?
If you can get yourself to disagree with everything I have written so far, then I guess alright, this discussion is over. But if there's anything that I said that made you think twice, then you've reinforced my point: The point that at the moment of posting, you didn't consider all the outcomes. It was an act of impulse. I can dig that. It's the inability to accept one's own shortcomings that bothers me. Or do you think that by saying "Muhammad is a pedophile" you are being current, fresh and cool? You can't possibly think like that lol.
So, as a thought experiment, much like if you were to imagine that there was a fourth dimension, and then try to imagine what it would be like to be able to see this dimension together with the already known 3. Use that kind of mind set to imagine that the virgins given to muslims in paradise are soulless servants made by the almighty in a world where time and age does not exist. You are focusing on your verbal interpretation of the word "virgin", not the overall message. Let's change the word "virgin" with "woman". That's essentially what they are. The thing you're getting is better than you can imagine, so you can't imagine what it is. You can't type it in words. It certainly is not the kind of "virgin" you imagine. It has nothing to do with not having had a penis penetrate the membrane before. That is not the paradise-definition of a virgin. It is someone who is untouched by any man and even Allah. Someone pure created for you.
If you look into the significance of virginity, and more specifically, if you look into why a virgin is desirable in anyway, you might be surprised. The overall problem here is you don't seem to be thinking about how humans work, but how we're also different. To you, a virgin is someone who hasn't had sex before. You don't care if your girlfriend haven't had sex before. Why? Because you've had sex before. It'd be hypocritical and unrealistic to try and find a mate who hadn't. And you prefer it, because it makes them experienced. From this point of view it is very obvious to me that you don't consider sex something spiritual. It may be special to you if you love the girl, but you could also just have sex just to have sex. Am I right? This is what most people think like. Imagine that you were taught from childhood that a woman who isn't a virgin will not be as good for you as one who is. Imagine that it has to do with emotion. The way you feel if your girlfriend cheated on you, that's the way a muslim would feel if it turns out his virgin wife wasn't a virgin afterall. From this emotional reaction it makes a lot more sense why they would desire a virgin. You think it's about the cherry and popping it, that's what you associate with the word "virgin", and to you it's nothing special, and there are emotional reasons for that. If you look at your experiences in life they probably also come into the picture.
Now try and understand that if you exchange all your experiences in your life with other experiences, you would not be the same person. You didn't grow up in the Middle East. Your understanding of how they feel can at best only be theoretic. Therefore you can never fully understand. Knowing this, it is my opinion that having strong and semi-racist opinions like "Muhammad is a pedophile" are pointless. You achieve nothing long term. You don't make them thing "oh, he's right, I'm a pedophile, I should stop what I'm doing". Why do you have to define him as a pedophile? What does it change in your life? Does it provide you with the answer that "yes muslims are inhumane" so you can justify your hatred for them? What is the goal of that exclamation? And futherer, of making fun of paradise and overly focusing on the virgin part, the very thing this thread was supposed to educate you from doing. What will happen after you say "Muhammad is a pedophile"? Does it give you closure? Do you want a response from Muslims? What do you want that response to be? Did you even think this far before you opened your mouth? Maybe next time you should? I'm not saying you're a bad person, but do you 100% disagree with this or?
If you can get yourself to disagree with everything I have written so far, then I guess alright, this discussion is over. But if there's anything that I said that made you think twice, then you've reinforced my point: The point that at the moment of posting, you didn't consider all the outcomes. It was an act of impulse. I can dig that. It's the inability to accept one's own shortcomings that bothers me. Or do you think that by saying "Muhammad is a pedophile" you are being current, fresh and cool? You can't possibly think like that lol.
okay i had several tabs up and i came across this, i just posted in the thread so apparently i wrote two replies lol. maybe they overlap, cba to read it now, on my way out the door
I'm gonna address this later. I wrote an essay but lost it. I have to leave now. You have really missed my point, but I'll go in depth later tonight or something. The overall point I'll be making though: Your opinon is that because you don't call them sand******, it isn't racism. Racism isn't defined as the act of using racial slur directly to another person. There are many degrees and levels of racism. If you look in the Muhammad Pedophile thread you will see that the thread starts with a philosophical discussion about whether he was a pedophile, but it goes on to pull in arguments like how muslims treat their wives. Why is that pulled into the discussion? Re-read the thread and look at how on pretty much each page, some random person with no interest for the subject who was bored came in and posted something half-assed that... Okay, how to put this... Thoughts I had 5 years ago, thoughts that have since been refined and further defined. This tells me these people probably didn't have all the knowledge they should, yet they still utter an opinion. I mostly don't say what I think about Muslims, I just try to be diplomatic, because truth be told, I don't know enough yet to sit here and deal judgment. "The way they treat their wives is horrific". None of us here can know. You think you know. You think you knew what the war on terror was all about. People think they know too much. People are too cocky, but people really don't know shit. That's the problem. The majority of the West don't know shit, but we have the freedom of speech, so a multitude of fucking morons will speak out of line about things they have no idea about. Whoever listens to these morons will assume that face for every person from that community, kind of like how extremist muslims and muslims that beat their wives slowly just turns into "they" and "Islam" throughout a discussion. So Muslims see this and they become angry. It's what happens in every Islam thread on this forum. How can you not see it? Stop worrying about your opinions, but re read those threads and look at the blatant ignorance from us as a people. Individual posts here and there make sense, but look how retarded this whole board comes off from reading that thread.
That's pretty much my point. Just because you don't think something isn't racism doesn't mean it isn't. When I argue these things it's not because I like to be hypothetical. I can tell you that there exists Muslims out there who disagree with what you're saying. What are you interested in, a solution, or pissing them off? Listening to your own impulses, or making the long-term wise decision? Cause making a thread called "Muhammad is a pedophile" is not a long term solution. I can accept it if people who chose to be like that could just admit that "yes, I don't give a fuck, half the shit I say is based on opinions and the other half came falling out of my asshole". It's when people fail to see this very basic form of stupidity (the way isolated cases turns into "they") but still insist on being taken seriously, that I start asking questions.
I'm gonna address this later. I wrote an essay but lost it. I have to leave now. You have really missed my point, but I'll go in depth later tonight or something. The overall point I'll be making though: Your opinon is that because you don't call them sand******, it isn't racism. Racism isn't defined as the act of using racial slur directly to another person. There are many degrees and levels of racism. If you look in the Muhammad Pedophile thread you will see that the thread starts with a philosophical discussion about whether he was a pedophile, but it goes on to pull in arguments like how muslims treat their wives. Why is that pulled into the discussion? Re-read the thread and look at how on pretty much each page, some random person with no interest for the subject who was bored came in and posted something half-assed that... Okay, how to put this... Thoughts I had 5 years ago, thoughts that have since been refined and further defined. This tells me these people probably didn't have all the knowledge they should, yet they still utter an opinion. I mostly don't say what I think about Muslims, I just try to be diplomatic, because truth be told, I don't know enough yet to sit here and deal judgment. "The way they treat their wives is horrific". None of us here can know. You think you know. You think you knew what the war on terror was all about. People think they know too much. People are too cocky, but people really don't know shit. That's the problem. The majority of the West don't know shit, but we have the freedom of speech, so a multitude of fucking morons will speak out of line about things they have no idea about. Whoever listens to these morons will assume that face for every person from that community, kind of like how extremist muslims and muslims that beat their wives slowly just turns into "they" and "Islam" throughout a discussion. So Muslims see this and they become angry. It's what happens in every Islam thread on this forum. How can you not see it? Stop worrying about your opinions, but re read those threads and look at the blatant ignorance from us as a people. Individual posts here and there make sense, but look how retarded this whole board comes off from reading that thread.
That's pretty much my point. Just because you don't think something isn't racism doesn't mean it isn't. When I argue these things it's not because I like to be hypothetical. I can tell you that there exists Muslims out there who disagree with what you're saying. What are you interested in, a solution, or pissing them off? Listening to your own impulses, or making the long-term wise decision? Cause making a thread called "Muhammad is a pedophile" is not a long term solution. I can accept it if people who chose to be like that could just admit that "yes, I don't give a fuck, half the shit I say is based on opinions and the other half came falling out of my asshole". It's when people fail to see this very basic form of stupidity (the way isolated cases turns into "they") but still insist on being taken seriously, that I start asking questions.
Guys...
The virgin fascination is easy to understand. I don't see what the big fuss is. A virgin is pure. That's what it's all about. It's not about experience, pleasure, or anything else. It's about going to that pure place call Heaven (or Paradise, wtv you want to call it) and be rewarded with a pure person.
And Preach, debating is not being racist. It just happens that a majority of members on this board don't agree with Islam. Rallying and debating and criticizing isn't being racist.
I don't think that one expressed superiority over Islam. Sure they said they don't agree and expressed their reasoning and why they prefer their own lifestyle choice.
I don't think the Muslims of SH have been discriminated against.
And yes, at some extent there has been some hatred against Islam. But I think we can both agree that this stems from incomprehension, misunderstandings.
Are we good?
The virgin fascination is easy to understand. I don't see what the big fuss is. A virgin is pure. That's what it's all about. It's not about experience, pleasure, or anything else. It's about going to that pure place call Heaven (or Paradise, wtv you want to call it) and be rewarded with a pure person.
And Preach, debating is not being racist. It just happens that a majority of members on this board don't agree with Islam. Rallying and debating and criticizing isn't being racist.
I don't think that one expressed superiority over Islam. Sure they said they don't agree and expressed their reasoning and why they prefer their own lifestyle choice.
I don't think the Muslims of SH have been discriminated against.
And yes, at some extent there has been some hatred against Islam. But I think we can both agree that this stems from incomprehension, misunderstandings.
Are we good?
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